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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-08-2013 11:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I have to stray from the Kansas choice. They aren't a very good football program. Maybe you are looking at it from a different angle.

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The state of Oklahoma is southern and OU would be a good cultural fit. Oklahoma also belongs in a conference with Alabama. An elite program that would be a great addition to the already elite conference. A border war with Arkansas would be epic.

Oklahoma State would probably have to come along. Their academics would be an issue. Another great rival for Arkansas

Texas. Sooner or later the SEC is going to have to lure Texas or the Pac 12 will. Snagging a team like Oklahoma might start that process. They are stubborn and want to run the show.

Miami to expand into the south Florida Market. Cons. Violation prone.

North Carolina. Cultural fit and expansion into the Atlantic coast market

I do agree with your points about the PAC 12. Eventually they have to deal with the Big XII schools. They have no other options that meets their requirements. If the SEC doesn't grab a couple, the PAC 12 or B1G will. I do not believe the Sooners fit the PAC 12 liberal culture. I also believe their goal is not to play Northern schools all year, every year. The only upside is playing their old rival Nebraska again. I still believe they would be a natural fit for the SEC.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-09-2013 11:40 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 11:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

I do agree with your points about the PAC 12. Eventually they have to deal with the Big XII schools. They have no other options that meets their requirements. If the SEC doesn't grab a couple, the PAC 12 or B1G will. I do not believe the Sooners fit the PAC 12 liberal culture. I also believe their goal is not to play Northern schools all year, every year. The only upside is playing their old rival Nebraska again. I still believe they would be a natural fit for the SEC.

Based on what I've heard lately, I think Oklahoma is similar to UNC in terms of how the state views the SEC compared to the school's administration. In Oklahoma's case, I think their view that Oklahoma is not a SEC cultural fit is more of a wish than fact. Every academic indicator shows Oklahoma as an average SEC school (very good comparison is Tennessee). I will give UNC that they would be considered top tier in the SEC in terms of academics (cheating scandal not withstanding). However, they are not without peers. Florida, TAMU, and Mizzou are certainly peers, and Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn are not far behind. I will concede that Kansas just feels like a Big 10 school, and UVA is not an ideal cultural fit. UNC, WVU, and Oklahoma really do not fit another profile better than the SEC, though.
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WVU is a natural fit in the SEC, however. A recent study by Emory Sports Marketing Analytics ([/i]@sportsmktprof[/i]) showed states ranked based on their percentile rank of share of Twitter voice for college football (eg: Alabama has the highest % of college football related tweets, thus a percentile rank of 100)...

The top 5 states were...
1. Alabama
2. Mississippi
3. Tennessee
4. South Carolina
5. West Virginia
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-09-2013 12:36 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 11:40 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 11:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

I do agree with your points about the PAC 12. Eventually they have to deal with the Big XII schools. They have no other options that meets their requirements. If the SEC doesn't grab a couple, the PAC 12 or B1G will. I do not believe the Sooners fit the PAC 12 liberal culture. I also believe their goal is not to play Northern schools all year, every year. The only upside is playing their old rival Nebraska again. I still believe they would be a natural fit for the SEC.

Based on what I've heard lately, I think Oklahoma is similar to UNC in terms of how the state views the SEC compared to the school's administration. In Oklahoma's case, I think their view that Oklahoma is not a SEC cultural fit is more of a wish than fact. Every academic indicator shows Oklahoma as an average SEC school (very good comparison is Tennessee). I will give UNC that they would be considered top tier in the SEC in terms of academics (cheating scandal not withstanding). However, they are not without peers. Florida, TAMU, and Mizzou are certainly peers, and Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn are not far behind. I will concede that Kansas just feels like a Big 10 school, and UVA is not an ideal cultural fit. UNC, WVU, and Oklahoma really do not fit another profile better than the SEC, though.

This is probably the best assessment. The wish is not shared by many. It's shared by a select few at the top. It has to do with Boren wishing Oklahoma could align with a school like Cal. It's ridiculous and has hurt us in the recent years. A&M finally saw the writing on the wall. I hope one day our administrators do as well.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
The OU admin wants the academics of the PAC but they also understand the political reality: that they will never leave UT and have to be able to bring OSU too.

Only the Big 12 and PAC can satisfy those requirements as no one else is willing to take all 4 Texoma teams who are politically tied to each other.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-09-2013 01:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 12:36 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 11:40 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 11:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

I do agree with your points about the PAC 12. Eventually they have to deal with the Big XII schools. They have no other options that meets their requirements. If the SEC doesn't grab a couple, the PAC 12 or B1G will. I do not believe the Sooners fit the PAC 12 liberal culture. I also believe their goal is not to play Northern schools all year, every year. The only upside is playing their old rival Nebraska again. I still believe they would be a natural fit for the SEC.

Based on what I've heard lately, I think Oklahoma is similar to UNC in terms of how the state views the SEC compared to the school's administration. In Oklahoma's case, I think their view that Oklahoma is not a SEC cultural fit is more of a wish than fact. Every academic indicator shows Oklahoma as an average SEC school (very good comparison is Tennessee). I will give UNC that they would be considered top tier in the SEC in terms of academics (cheating scandal not withstanding). However, they are not without peers. Florida, TAMU, and Mizzou are certainly peers, and Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn are not far behind. I will concede that Kansas just feels like a Big 10 school, and UVA is not an ideal cultural fit. UNC, WVU, and Oklahoma really do not fit another profile better than the SEC, though.

This is probably the best assessment. The wish is not shared by many. It's shared by a select few at the top. It has to do with Boren wishing Oklahoma could align with a school like Cal. It's ridiculous and has hurt us in the recent years. A&M finally saw the writing on the wall. I hope one day our administrators do as well.

Good comment... embrace who you are and be the best at it. Oklahoma should worry about training their citizens to do what is critically important for the state of Oklahoma. WVU alums are always taking up for their low academic rating because the school focuses on skills and training for what is most important to their state. Those areas of expertise may not be high brow that gets international attention, but it is critical for their population. In terms of overall culture, Oklahoma and North Carolina just seem like such obvious choices. There is major diversity within the SEC on some specifics, but the overall culture is such that the similarities are embraced and the differences are used for good natured rivalry banter or to complement the strengths of each other (see the pretty decent football rivalry between Ole Miss and Vandy. In what other alternate universe does this happen?). I really do hope that the pieces fall in such a way that Oklahoma and UNC are the next additions.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-09-2013 11:40 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 11:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I have to stray from the Kansas choice. They aren't a very good football program. Maybe you are looking at it from a different angle.

Some options:

The state of Oklahoma is southern and OU would be a good cultural fit. Oklahoma also belongs in a conference with Alabama. An elite program that would be a great addition to the already elite conference. A border war with Arkansas would be epic.

Oklahoma State would probably have to come along. Their academics would be an issue. Another great rival for Arkansas

Texas. Sooner or later the SEC is going to have to lure Texas or the Pac 12 will. Snagging a team like Oklahoma might start that process. They are stubborn and want to run the show.

Miami to expand into the south Florida Market. Cons. Violation prone.

North Carolina. Cultural fit and expansion into the Atlantic coast market

I do agree with your points about the PAC 12. Eventually they have to deal with the Big XII schools. They have no other options that meets their requirements. If the SEC doesn't grab a couple, the PAC 12 or B1G will. I do not believe the Sooners fit the PAC 12 liberal culture. I also believe their goal is not to play Northern schools all year, every year. The only upside is playing their old rival Nebraska again. I still believe they would be a natural fit for the SEC.

They would have their game against Nebraska. They would maintain ties to Kansas. The Head Coaches of Oklahoma and Iowa have history together as was talked about constantly for their Bowl Game.

The Admin of Oklahoma would absolutely push Oklahoma towards the Big Ten instead of the SEC. They would probably face some blowback on that from fans and some alumni but so did President Loh of Maryland. As long as Oklahoma can maintain it's key rivalries of Texas and Oklahoma State, then it would be just fine.

They most certainly would have a better chance to win or finish strongly in the Big Ten and the Big Ten will Never be cut out of the National Picture. Oklahoma could definitely take advantage of that.

Sure there might be some fan support for an SEC move instead but there is no way that the persons making the decisions would choose the SEC over the B1G, in my opinion.
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(07-09-2013 02:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The OU admin wants the academics of the PAC but they also understand the political reality: that they will never leave UT and have to be able to bring OSU too.

Only the Big 12 and PAC can satisfy those requirements as no one else is willing to take all 4 Texoma teams who are politically tied to each other.

The Political equation is that the schools cant be in unequivalent conferences. Why would the State care if one school is in the Big Ten and one is in the SEC? I could see why the State would care about one team leaving and the other gets stuck in a gutted conference. That makes sense but thinking it is anything more than that is taking the concept far past rationality.
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(07-08-2013 06:21 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 03:10 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  
(07-06-2013 10:21 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I would add Oklahoma for sure. But I would add Cincinnati before I added anyone else. The potential market is just to great to pass up.

Cincinnati?? You are joking, right?
No. I'm not joking at all. Cincy would be a great addition to the east division.

Maybe on NCAA "create your own conference" it is. The SEC will add a flagship school when it does expand again...not a city school (and there are certainly larger markets than Cincinnati) that will always be second fiddle in-state playing in an FCS stadium. Some combination of West Virginia, Va Tech, a North Carolina program or a Kansas program. Cinci just ain't happening my friend...and you may be the 1st SEC poster I have ever seen actually support the notion. Gross.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-09-2013 02:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The OU admin wants the academics of the PAC but they also understand the political reality: that they will never leave UT and have to be able to bring OSU too.

Only the Big 12 and PAC can satisfy those requirements as no one else is willing to take all 4 Texoma teams who are politically tied to each other.

I don't agree that this will always be the case. This has to do with a dream from an aging University President. An Oklahoma in the SEC would not need a Texas.
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