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If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and w
I'd go with WVU and TCU. UK already gives us a presence in the Cincinnati market (the three counties underneath Cincinnati have a are roughly 1/8 of Kentucky's population). Adding TCU keeps the Big 12/Pac 16 out of Dallas-Ft. Worth.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
Just feels wrong adding a northern school like Cincy to the SEC.

plus, isnt their stadium incapable of expanding beyond 45K because its totally surrounded by buildings and built in a hillside depression?
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If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and w
(07-08-2013 10:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Just feels wrong adding a northern school like Cincy to the SEC.

plus, isnt their stadium incapable of expanding beyond 45K because its totally surrounded by buildings and built in a hillside depression?

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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
I have to stray from the Kansas choice. They aren't a very good football program. Maybe you are looking at it from a different angle.

Some options:

The state of Oklahoma is southern and OU would be a good cultural fit. Oklahoma also belongs in a conference with Alabama. An elite program that would be a great addition to the already elite conference. A border war with Arkansas would be epic.

Oklahoma State would probably have to come along. Their academics would be an issue. Another great rival for Arkansas

Texas. Sooner or later the SEC is going to have to lure Texas or the Pac 12 will. Snagging a team like Oklahoma might start that process. They are stubborn and want to run the show.

Miami to expand into the south Florida Market. Cons. Violation prone.

North Carolina. Cultural fit and expansion into the Atlantic coast market
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-08-2013 08:55 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I'd go with WVU and TCU. UK already gives us a presence in the Cincinnati market (the three counties underneath Cincinnati have a are roughly 1/8 of Kentucky's population). Adding TCU keeps the Big 12/Pac 16 out of Dallas-Ft. Worth.

I was going to add WVU but didn't the SEC already deny their application?
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-07-2013 06:50 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-06-2013 08:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's assume the ACC stands firm with their recent additions and that everyone has indeed signed their GOR and that they get their network. Should Texas and Oklahoma realize the disadvantage long term that their conference is in and the Big 12 was suddenly open for the taking of new members who should the SEC add and why?

To me the ideal additions would be Kansas & Oklahoma. We would likely find ourselves in head to head competition with the Big 10 for these schools. Kansas is a better cultural fit for the Big 10. Oklahoma could fit in just about anywhere. I think the ideal here is highly unlikely. So my goal would be to add the Sooners and West Virginia. The Mountaineers would be joyous to be a part of the SEC and that is worth a lot to me. Oklahoma might choose the Big 10 but if they do in my opinion they will wind up like Nebraska, good, but a shadow of their former selves. Personally, I think they need Southern recruiting ties to stay viable.

If the Sooners did go elsewhere the Cowboys are fine with me. They are top 25 in profitability and are competitive in all sports.

A fair assessment for sure. I don't really think Kansas would be a proper pick up for the SEC. Missouri can help with the markets there in time. WVU has more of an upside for the SEC than Kansas does. Granted, I understand Kansas's power in basketball but you guys have schools that are slowly improving in basketball.

Kansas isn't as strong as they are by recruiting their area, they recruit basketball nationally. West Virginia and the Beltway is a much better place for the SEC to expand to in regards to making the SEC better at basketball across the board.

If Oklahoma decided to go to the SEC, I would completely understand the logic. I would disagree with it of course and I think Sooner football would continue to slide from the prominence it used to have. It would be similar to Arkansas in the SEC in terms of football.


OSU on the other hand is better prepared for the situation it would be dropped into in regards to joining the SEC. They have been growing with that chip on their shoulder. They have been expanding facilities and upgrading all over the place as the stat you stated about them shows.

It's not that I think an OSU/WVU combo is the Best possible addition for the SEC when it comes to Big 12 schools but I think it is one that Slive and company should definitely be open to should this type of scenario ever become an actual possibility. The way those two schools would slide right into a 4 pod/division system in the SEC just can't be denied.

I don't agree with that statement at all. Oklahoma has a winning record against the SEC. We manhandled A&M on regular basis. Look at them in the SEC. I think you would find OU to be among the top football programs each and every year in the SEC.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-08-2013 11:15 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 08:55 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I'd go with WVU and TCU. UK already gives us a presence in the Cincinnati market (the three counties underneath Cincinnati have a are roughly 1/8 of Kentucky's population). Adding TCU keeps the Big 12/Pac 16 out of Dallas-Ft. Worth.

I was going to add WVU but didn't the SEC already deny their application?

They weren't told no. They were told not yet.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-08-2013 10:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Just feels wrong adding a northern school like Cincy to the SEC.

plus, isnt their stadium incapable of expanding beyond 45K because its totally surrounded by buildings and built in a hillside depression?

Yes, the stadium expansion potential is limited. That being said, I find it difficult to justify Cincy with UK to the south and the option of WVU to the east.

I just feel at this point that if the SEC expands it needs to do so in such a why to get to 3 even divisions. Either 15 or 18 work for me. I just don't think 4x4 divisions would work at the college level.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
I may have too narrow a view, but the only additions to the SEC since the initial launch have been 4 flagship schools. According to history, recent rumors, apparent SEC aspirations and goals, etc., I don't see that changing. I continue to believe that the list is Oklahoma, Kansas, North Carolina, Virginia, and West Virginia in some order. Texas has big question marks. Other than those schools, I don't see any more true options. I would love to see other programs in the SEC (namely FSU, Clemson, Ga. Tech, and/or Va. Tech), but history does not suggest it is likely.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-09-2013 07:07 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 10:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Just feels wrong adding a northern school like Cincy to the SEC.

plus, isnt their stadium incapable of expanding beyond 45K because its totally surrounded by buildings and built in a hillside depression?

Yes, the stadium expansion potential is limited. That being said, I find it difficult to justify Cincy with UK to the south and the option of WVU to the east.

I just feel at this point that if the SEC expands it needs to do so in such a why to get to 3 even divisions. Either 15 or 18 work for me. I just don't think 4x4 divisions would work at the college level.
They could sign a contract with the NFL stadium there I guess.
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