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[split] OT: Celtics hire Brad Stevens
(07-03-2013 05:34 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Butler was the crown jewel in the New Big East crop. Outside of Gonzaga, Butler (with Stevens) was the only team that may have given that league a dominant team. Now they are looking at A10 level programs across the board, and the AAC happened to get the flagship (Temple) of the old A10.

And yet, the Big East is getting paid more for its "A10" basketball than the AAC is for its football, basketball, baseball, and everything else. Go figure. 07-coffee3
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(07-03-2013 06:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 05:34 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Butler was the crown jewel in the New Big East crop. Outside of Gonzaga, Butler (with Stevens) was the only team that may have given that league a dominant team. Now they are looking at A10 level programs across the board, and the AAC happened to get the flagship (Temple) of the old A10.

And yet, the Big East is getting paid more for its "A10" basketball than the AAC is for its football, basketball, baseball, and everything else. Go figure. 07-coffee3

For now 07-coffee3
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Go to the Big East board and find Fox's New Years Eve lineup. I can't believe they overpaid for Georgetown-DePaul and St. John's-Xavier. I think they will find out very quickly that new Big East is just a pretty version of the Atlantic-10. What the heck is their prized TV matchup, Georgetown-Marquette? I would take every combination of Cincinnati, Temple, UConn, and Memphis playing each other over that game. Just about every game with one of those four schools in going be more interesting that any game the Big East puts out there on Fox, Butler-Providence, yeah!!! Give me UCF-USF, Tulsa-Memphis, and Houston-SMU as well.

How long does it take for another of their coaches to find a better job? How long does it take until Georgetown wants out and begs to get into the ACC where most of the real rivals play.
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(07-03-2013 07:37 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Go to the Big East board and find Fox's New Years Eve lineup. I can't believe they overpaid for Georgetown-DePaul and St. John's-Xavier. I think they will find out very quickly that new Big East is just a pretty version of the Atlantic-10. What the heck is their prized TV matchup, Georgetown-Marquette? I would take every combination of Cincinnati, Temple, UConn, and Memphis playing each other over that game. Just about every game with one of those four schools in going be more interesting that any game the Big East puts out there on Fox, Butler-Providence, yeah!!! Give me UCF-USF, Tulsa-Memphis, and Houston-SMU as well.

How long does it take for another of their coaches to find a better job? How long does it take until Georgetown wants out and begs to get into the ACC where most of the real rivals play.

You sound very bitter. You should file your complaint to Fox. Send them an angry angry letter. Tell them how disappointed you are and how foolish they are for throwing money at all those catholics.
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(07-03-2013 07:49 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 07:37 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Go to the Big East board and find Fox's New Years Eve lineup. I can't believe they overpaid for Georgetown-DePaul and St. John's-Xavier. I think they will find out very quickly that new Big East is just a pretty version of the Atlantic-10. What the heck is their prized TV matchup, Georgetown-Marquette? I would take every combination of Cincinnati, Temple, UConn, and Memphis playing each other over that game. Just about every game with one of those four schools in going be more interesting that any game the Big East puts out there on Fox, Butler-Providence, yeah!!! Give me UCF-USF, Tulsa-Memphis, and Houston-SMU as well.

How long does it take for another of their coaches to find a better job? How long does it take until Georgetown wants out and begs to get into the ACC where most of the real rivals play.

You sound very bitter. You should file your complaint to Fox. Send them an angry angry letter. Tell them how disappointed you are and how foolish they are for throwing money at all those catholics.

I don't see anything bitter about bearcatlaw post. 07-coffee3
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RE: OT: Celtics hire Brad Stevens
(07-03-2013 07:49 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 07:37 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Go to the Big East board and find Fox's New Years Eve lineup. I can't believe they overpaid for Georgetown-DePaul and St. John's-Xavier. I think they will find out very quickly that new Big East is just a pretty version of the Atlantic-10. What the heck is their prized TV matchup, Georgetown-Marquette? I would take every combination of Cincinnati, Temple, UConn, and Memphis playing each other over that game. Just about every game with one of those four schools in going be more interesting that any game the Big East puts out there on Fox, Butler-Providence, yeah!!! Give me UCF-USF, Tulsa-Memphis, and Houston-SMU as well.

How long does it take for another of their coaches to find a better job? How long does it take until Georgetown wants out and begs to get into the ACC where most of the real rivals play.

You sound very bitter. You should file your complaint to Fox. Send them an angry angry letter. Tell them how disappointed you are and how foolish they are for throwing money at all those catholics.

They needed content, new league was all that was available, they overpaid so c-7 would leave early, nothing more,nothing less.
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RE: OT: Celtics hire Brad Stevens
(07-04-2013 08:38 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 07:49 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 07:37 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Go to the Big East board and find Fox's New Years Eve lineup. I can't believe they overpaid for Georgetown-DePaul and St. John's-Xavier. I think they will find out very quickly that new Big East is just a pretty version of the Atlantic-10. What the heck is their prized TV matchup, Georgetown-Marquette? I would take every combination of Cincinnati, Temple, UConn, and Memphis playing each other over that game. Just about every game with one of those four schools in going be more interesting that any game the Big East puts out there on Fox, Butler-Providence, yeah!!! Give me UCF-USF, Tulsa-Memphis, and Houston-SMU as well.

How long does it take for another of their coaches to find a better job? How long does it take until Georgetown wants out and begs to get into the ACC where most of the real rivals play.

You sound very bitter. You should file your complaint to Fox. Send them an angry angry letter. Tell them how disappointed you are and how foolish they are for throwing money at all those catholics.

They needed content, new league was all that was available, they overpaid so c-7 would leave early, nothing more,nothing less.

This overpaid/underpaid argument when it comes to basketball is for the birds.

The old BE got little TV money. It was almost as bad as AAC, and LESS than what the Catholics are getting now. And some argued it was the best bball conference in the country. They barely broke $3m a year. But when you looked at the ratings, they were as high as any other conference nationally. The problem: national bball games on ESPN or CBS or ABC averaged around a 2.5 rating. Football did 2x-3x that.

I think it's foolish to look at the conference TV deals and to assume that they are automatically tied to the level of fan interest or ratings. It wasn't true in the old BE, that's for sure.

If you really want a good sense of how much interest a team or a conference brings, you can look at the tier 3 and licensing numbers that are available at the USA Today NCAA database. Granted, they add conference TV revenues into the numbers, but you can still back those out to get a good sense of how much pull each team has.
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(07-04-2013 08:53 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  If you really want a good sense of how much interest a team or a conference brings, you can look at the tier 3 and licensing numbers that are available at the USA Today NCAA database. Granted, they add conference TV revenues into the numbers, but you can still back those out to get a good sense of how much pull each team has.

To a point, I agree. Nevertheless, a team's value is partially determined by context. E.g., Michigan is obviously worth a lot, but they are worth more playing in the B1G against Ohio State, Nebraska, etc. than they would be playing in the MAC. That's reflected in the different prices Michigan charges for different home opponents (e.g., $65 for Akron, $175 for Ohio State).

One way to somewhat sort this out would be to subtract one team's value from another. E.g., Michigan's third tier rights minus Iowa's third tier rights would tell us how much more Michigan is valued over Iowa, because they both play the essentially the same B1G schedule. But you couldn't do cross-conference comparisons.
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(07-03-2013 08:32 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Not bitter at all. Its still a good basketball league but anyone that thinks the Catholic 7 are winners in conference realignment is crazy.

Unlike the AAC, the Big East is a winner in the realignment process. We've gotten a huge pay raise, have total administrative control over the direction of their conference, and retained our goodwill built up in our name.

Now, was realignment all good for us? Nope, losing traditional rivals as conference mates, specifically Syracuse, Pitt, and UConn, hurts. It would be awesome if those three schools had kept their basketball with us instead of moving to the ACC or remaining in the AAC. No question. But those losses are less than the gains.
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