Clay Travis just dropped a major story. Ohio State's Urban Meyer turned in the Gators for recruiting violations.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball...ite-070213

No shock. Meyer is scum of the first order. He'll fit in well as a football coach in Columbus.

This is considered to be a major story these days? No dog in the fight, but doesn't appear to be a big issue to me.

Good to see Clay Travis continuing to carry the water for the folks in Birmingham. One of a few shills in the media for the SEC. My guess is that the SEC is really worried about Meyer in Columbus for this to be considered news.

LMAO at still using "the Percy Harvin role". POS uses that on 20 recruits each cycle for the last 5 years. It goes to show you just how stupid many of these recruits and their parents are when they continually buy into the crap some of these coaches keep publicly spewing.

As for him and UF, UF alumni I know disowned his the instant he took the OSU job. The instant. And a lot of the complaints that alumni/boosters had about him during his tenure that made rounds throughout Florida but never made it national/to ESPN began rearing their heads more prominently on UF boards and media.

Born a POS, always a POS. I'd love to see UF and OSU getting into some stupid pissing match over these next few years.

It's a freaking secondary violation, for which the penalty is quite literally a report on a sheet of paper. Clay Travis is a blowhard trying to punk out Meyer. Is that the best he's got? It's pretty weak, not only as a story, but how poorly it's written. Come on. "no one Outkick the Coverage talked with could recall a former coach turning in his former program and a former assistant coach." Really? That's below high school journalism right there. Who'd he talk to, the three guys in his studio?

Travis should stick to boob drafts and buttchugging commentary. That's what he's best at.

(07-03-2013 12:20 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  It's a freaking secondary violation, for which the penalty is quite literally a report on a sheet of paper. Clay Travis is a blowhard trying to punk out Meyer. Is that the best he's got? It's pretty weak, not only as a story, but how poorly it's written. Come on. "no one Outkick the Coverage talked with could recall a former coach turning in his former program and a former assistant coach." Really? That's below high school journalism right there. Who'd he talk to, the three guys in his studio?

Travis should stick to boob drafts and buttchugging commentary. That's what he's best at.

While I do not disagree about the journalistic ability of Clay Travis, I wouldn't pass over the potential fallout from this story as it pertains to the Buckeyes recruiting the state of Florida. There will be bounty shelled out (by interested boosters of course) for any concrete reports on potential Buckeye recruiting practices every time one of their coaches enters the Sunshine State. That bounty will apply to high school coaches, friends of recruits, and individuals in the know locally.

Now that doesn't mean that Ohio State will be offering, or has offered, illegal inducements under Meyer, but it does mean they will have to dot their I's and cross their T's on everything they do down there and that will be a hassle.

Furthermore the punishment for an SEC school that crosses the line usually comes in the form of an in house report and the dropping of the school in question's pursuit of whichever recruit was the subject of interest. Such courtesy is usually afforded the ACC schools we all live with because their coaches are all in the same coaching circles as those in the SEC. It even extends usually to coaches who have had SEC connections when they move elsewhere. Why? Because they know where the bodies are buried so to speak. But Meyer will receive no such consideration now. The loss of that immunity will be costly and even costlier if he does something that crosses the line.

So perhaps it is unorthodox for him to have turned in his former team. None of us know the situation between him and them before this happened. As we have seen already by responses here, people down there have probably been attacking him for awhile now so really the folks down in Florida brought this on themselves, not the other way around JR. Also, Florida is hardly a hotbed for OSU and I am pretty sure he will be fine without Florida recruiting. You seem to be trying to make it appear as if that will make or break him at OSU.

The attitude that I am seeing is that Urban is the bad guy for reporting a potential rule break and he will be punished for daring to try and keep the competition playing clean. Feel free to report Urban or anyone else for breaking any rules down in Florida. This is actually a GOOD thing. These coaches are supposed to be providing a good example for these kids, not showing them that breaking the rules is ok.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-T...007-070213

Wow! Urban Meyer is scum. As a 17 year old and nothing happens.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Wouldn't the NCAA ding Meyer if knew of a recruiting violation and FAILED to report it? Similar to how if you witness a murder and do not report it, you can be prosecuted.

Obviously the bar for the amount of evidence you need is higher if another school committed the violation. But obviously Meyer had the evidence. And once he had it, he was obligated to turn it in.

Tucker Max wants his shtick back, Clay Travis.

Considering Meyer reported himself for wishing a recruit "good luck" during the non-contact period last year, he is not really calling the kettle black here. I have no love for Meyer at all, but this is really a non-story.

As for FL recruiting, it has always been an arm for Ohio State to draw from. I also don't think there will be much of a bounty or any other interference run by SEC schools to keep OSU out of FL. That's beyond the pale here. A secondary violation is just not worth the effort. Teams report dozens of secondary violations every year. Heck, part of Oregon's case was a slew of phone calls made by non-coaching staff to recruits, yet the NCAA still considered them secondary violations. This really isn't any big deal.

(07-03-2013 06:32 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  So perhaps it is unorthodox for him to have turned in his former team. None of us know the situation between him and them before this happened. As we have seen already by responses here, people down there have probably been attacking him for awhile now so really the folks down in Florida brought this on themselves, not the other way around JR. Also, Florida is hardly a hotbed for OSU and I am pretty sure he will be fine without Florida recruiting. You seem to be trying to make it appear as if that will make or break him at OSU.

The attitude that I am seeing is that Urban is the bad guy for reporting a potential rule break and he will be punished for daring to try and keep the competition playing clean. Feel free to report Urban or anyone else for breaking any rules down in Florida. This is actually a GOOD thing. These coaches are supposed to be providing a good example for these kids, not showing them that breaking the rules is ok.

If Urban was a Boy Scout I might buy your line of argumentation. Let's drop the SEC/Big 10 thing for a second here and just look at it from another perspective. On the recruiting trail there are NCAA rules and then there are the unwritten rules that coaches follow within their fraternity. If they get caught by you or me or the NCAA cheating the coach mans up and takes his medicine "if" it comes to that. But coaches don't turn in other coaches without losing cooperation within their circle. To lose the support and protection of the coaching society is a big deal.

When coaches catch other coaches they let them know they are caught and the offender backs off of the kid. They don't rat each other out to the NCAA unless the offender ignores the coaches who let him know he's been caught, or unless he turns the other coaches in. Phil Fulmer never really recovered from being just strongly suspected of being behind the investigation that nailed Alabama over a Memphis recruit. Charlie Pell couldn't last at Florida because he didn't really play by the coaches rules, let alone those of the NCAA.

Some of these kids that flip at the last minute are not getting paid per se to flip, but the school they have been committed to has been caught and the kid feels the relationship cool as guilty coaches back off, then he flips. And is some cases he has just gotten better inducements.

While it is an unwritten understanding now, the SEC office won't help out an institution where coaching cordiality is not practiced. Urban got out of Florida because he and some of his staff were not meshing well with other coaches and therefore he was always walking a tightrope down there. I'd say if Dan Mullen doesn't learn how to play by the rules his tenure will be short. He initiated the Cam Newton mess. He encouraged him to go to Blynn while he was still on Urban's staff. He promised him the starting position at Mississippi State before he officially took the State job. He allegedly promised him a certain sum. When Newton goes to Auburn instead it's Mullen that screams bloody murder after committing all of the same infractions of which he accused Auburn. And, just a year later it's Mississippi State that gets hit by penalty while Auburn walks free. That my friend is the way Southern justice works on coaches who don't play by the coaches code. It pissed off many of the coaches when this happened and the conference office. Why? It is a problem for all of them when one operates outside of their norms. Made men don't roll over on the family and Urban made it clear he wasn't family.

IMO he will be walking a tightrope in the Big 10 as well. There were frosty receptions if you remember to his inclusion in the Big 10 family. Word gets around and everyone knows the smell of a skunk.

Two relevant facts:
1) After the investigation, OSU is still one of Chris Samuel's (the recruit in question) top 5 choices.
2) The NCAA investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing by Florida.

Thus, I can't imagine a scenario where Meyer reported this without the cooperation of Samuel, and the most likely scenario is that Samuel instigated it. The kid must have been ticked at Florida and wanted them to get dinged (we can only speculate as to why).

I bet if Meyer had failed to report this, not only would he have lost this recruit, but the kid probably would have made the same complaint to other schools on his list, and it still would have been reported. A dirty business, to be sure, but in this case (for once) the dirtiness was probably not instigated by OSU. In fact, if I were a coach, I'd be a bit wary about making this kid an offer before I understood his motives behind doing this.

So a lot of you are saying schools should never turn in cheaters? That's what lets it get out of hand.

(07-03-2013 10:38 AM)bullet Wrote:  So a lot of you are saying schools should never turn in cheaters? That's what lets it get out of hand.

No Bullet, cheats get turned in every day, and in my younger days I turned in my share, including two of your listed schools, and my own school,. But they get turned into the school president first, the conference second, and the NCAA as a last resort. Most Universities police themselves when notified. When the administration is aware of what their coaches are doing they assess the risk and act accordingly. If they won't take the initiative the conference office usually does. But if they proceed in spite of their president's knowledge of the events and contrary to the wishes of the conference they get what they deserve.

And remember guys there are several crucial elements behind this. First, coaches know they will need friends to land other future jobs because coaching jobs don't last 25 years at one institution since Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno left for one reason or another. Second, conference offices and schools want their share of all of the bowl and television revenue. When one of their member institutions is hamstrung from going to a bowl, or worse gets a television ban (which I'm not sure happens much anymore) then everyone loses money. Third, there are always residual issues arising out of such an occurrence such as fan bases of schools affected not traveling to your venue and spending the night in the hotels that contribute to your program or eating in the restaurants that contribute to your program, or patronizing the bookstores that do the same, etc. Ill will is developed and enemies made which are all bad for the bottom line. Nobody wants to suffer needless allegations, the expense of retaining legal services for coaches involved, players involved, or for the University itself. And absolutely no one wants to tick off the corporate donors which support both of the schools that may be involved.

I'd say the informal system works better and has more control over recruiting than anything the NCAA has done in quite sometime. The only difference is you don't hear about those issues handled in house by the universities, and/or the conferences, and that is good for business.

What's funny is that it's reported in a Rivals article. http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/con...ID=1496367

It doesn't matter if Meyer turned him in or not, it's documented that the UF coach had in-person, off-campus contact with a recruit during an evaluation period. It's probably more likely someone else turned UF in anyway.

(07-03-2013 01:23 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  What's funny is that it's reported in a Rivals article. http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/con...ID=1496367

It doesn't matter if Meyer turned him in or not, it's documented that the UF coach had in-person, off-campus contact with a recruit during an evaluation period. It's probably more likely someone else turned UF in anyway.

That may well be the case but there are other burnt bridges where Urban is concerned. You were quite correct to point out the minor nature of the original alleged offense. However, Meyer is a matter unto himself.

The nature of this has nothing to do with the Ohio State University, its football program, or the Big 10.

Meyer and Kiffen got into it right away. That was Kiffen's fault and the closest Meyer came to becoming one of the club in the SEC. Meyer however never quite fit in with the SEC/ACC crowd of coaches. Mullen seems to be having similar problems. I think all of this will be contained within the coaching ranks unless Urban continues tweak the situation. The general feeling down here was that Meyer enjoyed an image that was contrary to his behind the scenes behavior and that didn't rest will with his contemporaries. There are Big 10 coaches who I think have the same appraisal of the situation. We'll see.

(07-03-2013 10:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 10:38 AM)bullet Wrote:  So a lot of you are saying schools should never turn in cheaters? That's what lets it get out of hand.

No Bullet, cheats get turned in every day, and in my younger days I turned in my share, including two of your listed schools, and my own school,. But they get turned into the school president first, the conference second, and the NCAA as a last resort. Most Universities police themselves when notified. When the administration is aware of what their coaches are doing they assess the risk and act accordingly. If they won't take the initiative the conference office usually does. But if they proceed in spite of their president's knowledge of the events and contrary to the wishes of the conference they get what they deserve.

And remember guys there are several crucial elements behind this. First, coaches know they will need friends to land other future jobs because coaching jobs don't last 25 years at one institution since Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno left for one reason or another. Second, conference offices and schools want their share of all of the bowl and television revenue. When one of their member institutions is hamstrung from going to a bowl, or worse gets a television ban (which I'm not sure happens much anymore) then everyone loses money. Third, there are always residual issues arising out of such an occurrence such as fan bases of schools affected not traveling to your venue and spending the night in the hotels that contribute to your program or eating in the restaurants that contribute to your program, or patronizing the bookstores that do the same, etc. Ill will is developed and enemies made which are all bad for the bottom line. Nobody wants to suffer needless allegations, the expense of retaining legal services for coaches involved, players involved, or for the University itself. And absolutely no one wants to tick off the corporate donors which support both of the schools that may be involved.

I'd say the informal system works better and has more control over recruiting than anything the NCAA has done in quite sometime. The only difference is you don't hear about those issues handled in house by the universities, and/or the conferences, and that is good for business.

Well we don't know for certain Urban Meyer didn't contact the school first and only turned them in after a lack of response.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9448577