Average rating over the last 3 years according to the Sagarin Ratings (eventual conference in parenthesis):

1. Boise State (MWC) - 86.18
2. Tulsa (AAC) - 76.95
3. Northern Illinois (MAC) - 75.27
4. Cincinnati (AAC) - 75.13
5. Nevada (MWC) - 73.88
6. UCF (AAC) - 73.21
7. San Diego State (MWC) - 72.51
8. Louisiana Tech (C-USA) - 71.30
9. SMU (AAC) - 70.88
10. Houston (AAC) - 70.83
11. South Florida (AAC) - 70.11
12. Utah State (MWC)- 69.76
13. Toledo (MAC) - 69.33
14. Temple (AAC) - 68.97
15. Navy (AAC) - 68.95
16. UCONN (AAC) - 68.37
17. Air Force (MWC) - 68.03
18. Fresno State (MWC) - 67.05
19. Southern Miss (C-USA) - 66.45
20. Ohio (MAC) - 66.17
21. San Jose State (MWC) - 64.97
22. East Carolina (AAC) - 64.86
23. Kent State (MAC) - 63.68
24. Western Michigan (MAC) - 63.37
25. Marshall (C-USA) - 62.77
26. Rice (C-USA) - 62.70
26. Miami-OH (MAC) - 62.70
28. Hawaii (MWC) - 62.59
29. FIU (C-USA) - 62.11
30. Wyoming (MWC) - 61.77
31. Ball State (MAC) - 61.47
32. Central Michigan (MAC) - 60.88
33. Bowling Green (MAC) - 60.83
34. UTEP (C-USA) - 59.69
35. Western Kentucky (C-USA) - 59.19
36. North Texas (C-USA) - 57.35
37. Colorado State (MWC) - 56.48
38. Old Dominion (C-USA) - 56.41
39. Middle Tenn State (C-USA) - 56.20
40. UAB (C-USA) - 55.69
41. UNLV (MWC) - 53.97
42. Eastern Michigan (MAC) - 53.93
43. Buffalo (MAC) - 53.80
44. UMASS (MAC) - 53.26
45. Tulane (AAC) - 52.32
46. UTSA (C-USA) - 51.58 *only for 2 years
47. Memphis (AAC) - 51.34
48. FAU (C-USA) - 51.25
49. New Mexico (MWC) - 50.89
50. Akron (MAC) - 44.86

So the average ranks are:

AAC: 16.75
MWC: 22.17 (PS: Utah State is not a MAC school)
MAC: 29.53
CUSA: 32.83

That's just on the Windows calculator, not a spreadsheet, so mea culpa if there's a data entry error in there somewhere.

(07-01-2013 03:51 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So the average ranks are:

AAC: 16.75
MWC: 22.17 (PS: Utah State is not a MAC school)
MAC: 29.53
CUSA: 32.83

That's just on the Windows calculator, not a spreadsheet, so mea culpa if there's a data entry error in there somewhere.

Fixed it... Thanks. I didn't include the Sun Belt cause I was simply tired of figuring it up.

(07-01-2013 03:51 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So the average ranks are:

AAC: 16.75
MWC: 22.17 (PS: Utah State is not a MAC school)
MAC: 29.53
CUSA: 32.83

That's just on the Windows calculator, not a spreadsheet, so mea culpa if there's a data entry error in there somewhere.

this isn't completely accurate though because Temple was in the MAC for 2 of 3 years but its counting all 3 towards AAC and UMass was in FCS for 2 of 3 years but all 3 are being credited to the MAC.

The last three years defines the worst stretch in Akron football history BY FAR. Before that, we were a historically .500 program. And it's all thanks to possibly the worst coaching hire in the history of sports: Rob Ianello.

I wouldn't read too much into averages. What would be more interesting to me is trends. Which programs are on the rise and which are on the decline? That would be a more meaningful analysis to me.

(07-01-2013 04:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 03:51 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So the average ranks are:

AAC: 16.75
MWC: 22.17 (PS: Utah State is not a MAC school)
MAC: 29.53
CUSA: 32.83

That's just on the Windows calculator, not a spreadsheet, so mea culpa if there's a data entry error in there somewhere.

this isn't completely accurate though because Temple was in the MAC for 2 of 3 years but its counting all 3 towards AAC and UMass was in FCS for 2 of 3 years but all 3 are being credited to the MAC.

Clearly he is naming current/ future conference affiliation since a number of teams didn't switch till today and others won't switch till next year (ECU, Tulane, etc).

Well #17 is Arkansas State at 68.14 if you throw in the Sun Belt.

(07-01-2013 03:31 PM)RowdyRoost Wrote:  Average rating over the last 3 years according to the Sagarin Ratings (eventual conference in parenthesis):

1. Boise State (MWC) - 86.18
2. Tulsa (AAC) - 76.95
3. Northern Illinois (MAC) - 75.27
4. Cincinnati (AAC) - 75.13
5. Nevada (MWC) - 73.88
6. UCF (AAC) - 73.21
7. San Diego State (MWC) - 72.51
8. Louisiana Tech (C-USA) - 71.30
9. SMU (AAC) - 70.88
10. Houston (AAC) - 70.83

I didn't realize we were that high up there - Glad to see where we stand!

(07-01-2013 05:07 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I wouldn't read too much into averages. What would be more interesting to me is trends. Which programs are on the rise and which are on the decline? That would be a more meaningful analysis to me.

Then you've got a start ... now go back and do the averages for the three years before that, and you'll see any schools that are moving up or down strongly over the past six years.

(07-01-2013 04:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 03:51 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So the average ranks are:

AAC: 16.75
MWC: 22.17 (PS: Utah State is not a MAC school)
MAC: 29.53
CUSA: 32.83

That's just on the Windows calculator, not a spreadsheet, so mea culpa if there's a data entry error in there somewhere.

this isn't completely accurate though because Temple was in the MAC for 2 of 3 years but its counting all 3 towards AAC and UMass was in FCS for 2 of 3 years but all 3 are being credited to the MAC.

The OP doesn't claim to be an average of the strength of each conference over the past three years ... it is what it says it as, ranking the schools that will make up each conference by their ratings over the past three years. Its only one piece of information, since obviously the conference that a school was competing in will affect its Sagarin rating, simply due to the nature of any rating that connects teams indirectly based on common opponents.

As it stands, its rough confirmation of the three tier AAC/MWC, MAC/CUSA, and Sunbelt view of the Go5. IIRC, you argue that the MAC should be considered as among the top rank of the Go5, so obviously you'd not view this method of ranking conferences as the final word, but a ranking system isn't flawed just because it gives a different answer than the one we want to hear.

(07-01-2013 03:31 PM)RowdyRoost Wrote:  Average rating over the last 3 years according to the Sagarin Ratings (eventual conference in parenthesis):

1. Boise State (MWC) - 86.18
2. Tulsa (AAC) - 76.95
3. Northern Illinois (MAC) - 75.27
4. Cincinnati (AAC) - 75.13
5. Nevada (MWC) - 73.88
6. UCF (AAC) - 73.21
7. San Diego State (MWC) - 72.51
8. Louisiana Tech (C-USA) - 71.30
9. SMU (AAC) - 70.88
10. Houston (AAC) - 70.83
11. South Florida (AAC) - 70.11
12. Utah State (MWC)- 69.76
13. Toledo (MAC) - 69.33
14. Temple (AAC) - 68.97
15. Navy (AAC) - 68.95
16. UCONN (AAC) - 68.37
17. Air Force (MWC) - 68.03
18. Fresno State (MWC) - 67.05
19. Southern Miss (C-USA) - 66.45
20. Ohio (MAC) - 66.17
21. San Jose State (MWC) - 64.97
22. East Carolina (AAC) - 64.86
23. Kent State (MAC) - 63.68
24. Western Michigan (MAC) - 63.37
25. Marshall (C-USA) - 62.77
26. Rice (C-USA) - 62.70
26. Miami-OH (MAC) - 62.70
28. Hawaii (MWC) - 62.59
29. FIU (C-USA) - 62.11
30. Wyoming (MWC) - 61.77
31. Ball State (MAC) - 61.47
32. Central Michigan (MAC) - 60.88
33. Bowling Green (MAC) - 60.83
34. UTEP (C-USA) - 59.69
35. Western Kentucky (C-USA) - 59.19
36. North Texas (C-USA) - 57.35
37. Colorado State (MWC) - 56.48
38. Old Dominion (C-USA) - 56.41
39. Middle Tenn State (C-USA) - 56.20
40. UAB (C-USA) - 55.69
41. UNLV (MWC) - 53.97
42. Eastern Michigan (MAC) - 53.93
43. Buffalo (MAC) - 53.80
44. UMASS (MAC) - 53.26
45. Tulane (AAC) - 52.32
46. UTSA (C-USA) - 51.58 *only for 2 years
47. Memphis (AAC) - 51.34
48. FAU (C-USA) - 51.25
49. New Mexico (MWC) - 50.89
50. Akron (MAC) - 44.86

6 of the top 11 and 8 of top 16. Impressive, albeit a small sample size

I only see 5 of the top 11 and 6 of the top 16.

(07-02-2013 03:59 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 03:31 PM)RowdyRoost Wrote:  Average rating over the last 3 years according to the Sagarin Ratings (eventual conference in parenthesis):

1. Boise State (MWC) - 86.18
2. Tulsa (AAC) - 76.95
3. Northern Illinois (MAC) - 75.27
4. Cincinnati (AAC) - 75.13
5. Nevada (MWC) - 73.88
6. UCF (AAC) - 73.21
7. San Diego State (MWC) - 72.51
8. Louisiana Tech (C-USA) - 71.30
9. SMU (AAC) - 70.88
10. Houston (AAC) - 70.83

I didn't realize we were that high up there - Glad to see where we stand!

Y'all are pretty darn tough. Seriously, if we could get y'all to win a few of the bigger OOC games you might turn into a flagship of sorts for the conference.

Here's to two (2) ECU wins over Tulsa this year!

Accurate list pretty silly to leave out 11 teams. :<

1. Boise State (MWC) - 86.18
2. Tulsa (AAC) - 76.95
3. Northern Illinois (MAC) - 75.27
4. Cincinnati (AAC) - 75.13
5. Nevada (MWC) - 73.88
6. UCF (AAC) - 73.21
7. San Diego State (MWC) - 72.51
8. Louisiana Tech (C-USA) - 71.30
9. SMU (AAC) - 70.88
10. Houston (AAC) - 70.83
11. South Florida (AAC) - 70.11
12. Utah State (MWC)- 69.76
13. Toledo (MAC) - 69.33
14. Temple (AAC) - 68.97
15. Navy (AAC) - 68.95
16. UCONN (AAC) - 68.37
17. Arkansas State (SBC) – 68.14
18. Air Force (MWC) - 68.03
19. Georgia Southern (SBC) – 67.84
20. Fresno State (MWC) - 67.05
21. Southern Miss (C-USA) - 66.45
22. Ohio (MAC) - 66.17
23. San Jose State (MWC) - 64.97
24. East Carolina (AAC) - 64.86
25. Kent State (MAC) - 63.68
26. Western Michigan (MAC) - 63.37
27. Louisiana (SBC) – 63.24
28. Marshall (C-USA) - 62.77
29. Rice (C-USA) - 62.70
30. Miami-OH (MAC) - 62.70
31. Hawaii (MWC) - 62.59
32. FIU (C-USA) - 62.11
33. Wyoming (MWC) - 61.77
34. Appalachian State (SBC) – 61.62
35. Ball State (MAC) - 61.47
36. Central Michigan (MAC) - 60.88
37. Bowling Green (MAC) - 60.83
38. Troy (SBC) – 60.77
39. ULM (SBC) - 60.29
40. UTEP (C-USA) - 59.69
41. Western Kentucky (C-USA) - 59.19
42. North Texas (C-USA) - 57.35
43. Colorado State (MWC) - 56.48
44. Idaho (SBC) – 56.46
45. Old Dominion (C-USA) - 56.41
46. Middle Tenn State (C-USA) - 56.20
47. UAB (C-USA) - 55.69
48. UNLV (MWC) - 53.97
49. Eastern Michigan (MAC) - 53.93
50. Buffalo (MAC) - 53.80
51. UMASS (MAC) - 53.26
52. Tulane (AAC) - 52.32
53. South Alabama (SBC) -51.58
54. UTSA (C-USA) - 51.58 *only for 2 years
55. New Mexico State (SBC) – 51.37
56. Memphis (AAC) - 51.34
57. FAU (C-USA) - 51.25
58. New Mexico (MWC) - 50.89
59. Texas State (SBC) - 50.36
60. Akron (MAC) - 44.86
61. Georgia State (SBC) – 39.60

I'm pretty disappointed with ECU's standing on that list. That's not acceptable.

(07-03-2013 01:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I only see 5 of the top 11 and 6 of the top 16.

It's 6 (with eventual conference) as 1st poster listed the teams;TU, UC, UCF, Hou SMU & USF. AND actually 9 of top 16---Tem., Navy UConn

(07-03-2013 02:28 PM)indydoug Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I only see 5 of the top 11 and 6 of the top 16.

It's 6 (with eventual conference) as 1st poster listed the teams;TU, UC, UCF, Hou SMU & USF. AND actually 9 of top 16---Tem., Navy UConn

I thought we were counting the number of schools named after cities.

(07-03-2013 01:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Accurate list pretty silly to leave out 11 teams. :<

1. Boise State (MWC) - 86.18
2. Tulsa (AAC) - 76.95
3. Northern Illinois (MAC) - 75.27
4. Cincinnati (AAC) - 75.13
5. Nevada (MWC) - 73.88
6. UCF (AAC) - 73.21
7. San Diego State (MWC) - 72.51
8. Louisiana Tech (C-USA) - 71.30
9. SMU (AAC) - 70.88
10. Houston (AAC) - 70.83
11. South Florida (AAC) - 70.11
12. Utah State (MWC)- 69.76
13. Toledo (MAC) - 69.33
14. Temple (AAC) - 68.97
15. Navy (AAC) - 68.95
16. UCONN (AAC) - 68.37
17. Arkansas State (SBC) – 68.14
18. Air Force (MWC) - 68.03
19. Georgia Southern (SBC) – 67.84
20. Fresno State (MWC) - 67.05
21. Southern Miss (C-USA) - 66.45
22. Ohio (MAC) - 66.17
23. San Jose State (MWC) - 64.97
24. East Carolina (AAC) - 64.86
25. Kent State (MAC) - 63.68
26. Western Michigan (MAC) - 63.37
27. Louisiana (SBC) – 63.24
28. Marshall (C-USA) - 62.77
29. Rice (C-USA) - 62.70
30. Miami-OH (MAC) - 62.70
31. Hawaii (MWC) - 62.59
32. FIU (C-USA) - 62.11
33. Wyoming (MWC) - 61.77
34. Appalachian State (SBC) – 61.62
35. Ball State (MAC) - 61.47
36. Central Michigan (MAC) - 60.88
37. Bowling Green (MAC) - 60.83
38. Troy (SBC) – 60.77
39. ULM (SBC) - 60.29
40. UTEP (C-USA) - 59.69
41. Western Kentucky (C-USA) - 59.19
42. North Texas (C-USA) - 57.35
43. Colorado State (MWC) - 56.48
44. Idaho (SBC) – 56.46
45. Old Dominion (C-USA) - 56.41
46. Middle Tenn State (C-USA) - 56.20
47. UAB (C-USA) - 55.69
48. UNLV (MWC) - 53.97
49. Eastern Michigan (MAC) - 53.93
50. Buffalo (MAC) - 53.80
51. UMASS (MAC) - 53.26
52. Tulane (AAC) - 52.32
53. South Alabama (SBC) -51.58
54. UTSA (C-USA) - 51.58 *only for 2 years
55. New Mexico State (SBC) – 51.37
56. Memphis (AAC) - 51.34
57. FAU (C-USA) - 51.25
58. New Mexico (MWC) - 50.89
59. Texas State (SBC) - 50.36
60. Akron (MAC) - 44.86
61. Georgia State (SBC) – 39.60

Rather stupid leaving out the SBC, but the original post was from a fansof a school in a conference totally decimated by realignment. Fact is that schools conference did not match up very well with the SBC before realignment, and took most of the bad teams from the SBC this go around, so maybe that was the reason for doing so.

(07-03-2013 01:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Accurate list pretty silly to leave out 11 teams.

Thanks for that, it really helps out the MAC rank average:

AAC = 18.3
MWC = 24.9
MAC = 33.6
CUSA = 37.7
SB = 40.5

I uploaded these numbers into a spreadsheet, so I can get the simple and centrally weighted Sagarin rating averages too (simple | weighted):

AAC = 67.66 | 66.12
MWC = 65.67 | 65.50
MAC = 60.73 | 60.99
CUSA = 59.44 | 59.16
SB = 57.39 | 58.02

Note that these are ranked on the centrally weighted average, to be consistent with the Sagarin conference rankings ~ the simple weighted average flips the AAC and MWC. On these rankings / ratings, its more like AAC/MWC; MAC; CUSA/Sunbelt.

(07-04-2013 01:15 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Accurate list pretty silly to leave out 11 teams.

Thanks for that, it really helps out the MAC rank average:

AAC = 18.3
MWC = 24.9
MAC = 33.6
CUSA = 37.7
SB = 40.5

I uploaded these numbers into a spreadsheet, so I can get the simple and centrally weighted Sagarin rating averages too (simple | weighted):

AAC = 67.66 | 66.12
MWC = 65.67 | 65.50
MAC = 60.73 | 60.99
CUSA = 59.44 | 59.16
SB = 57.39 | 58.02

Note that these are ranked on the centrally weighted average, to be consistent with the Sagarin conference rankings ~ the simple weighted average flips the AAC and MWC. On these rankings / ratings, its more like AAC/MWC; MAC; CUSA/Sunbelt.

AAC is 1.99 ahead of MWC on your simple average and .62 on your weighted.
MAC is 1.29 ahead of CUSA on your simple and 1.83 on your weighted.
CUSA is 2.05 ahead of SB on your simple and 1.14 on your weighted.
So your separating MAC from CUSA while grouping CUSA with Sun Belt makes absolutely no sense at all.