I still look at NYC as a city without a true team. Maybe they had one back in the 40's with Fordham and/or NYU, but I would have to say ND is the most popular there now, followed by Syracuse (in the ACC). BC and Pitt are probably as popular as Duke and UNC.

The tourney was held in DC and I believe Atlanta a few times as far back as the 80's so I don't think anybody would object to a NYC location a few times. The only way I see it rotating is if it does well, and that depends on the Big East not living up to the hype, which I think they will do well in NYC.

(06-29-2013 11:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 10:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 10:16 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I am 100% against it permanently being in Greensboro/North Carolina and would be perfectly fine if it was only held in NYC from now on.

Thought a lot of people would like this, the ACC can't forget its southern roots.

Can you explain to me how it's forgetting its southern roots with the ACC Football Championship in Charlotte every year?

It's not as though we are advocating everything head up North to us damn yankees.

Cheers,
Neil

ACC was built on basketball. By moving basketball completely to the north, you'll leave behind the tradition that made the ACC great in the first place. Well there's that, and it takes me about 1 hour to drive to Greensboro :)

Bunch of nonsense. Nobody thinks the ACCT is all that special anymore except UNC fans.

The conference would get a lot more "hype", exposure and possibly more revenue if it were held in NYC.

(06-30-2013 10:53 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 10:26 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:10 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Maybe part of this is my traditionalist Big Ten attitude (where I don't actually view the conference tournament titles has half as important at the regular season ones), but I don't see the physical location of the tournament being something that effects the conference's perception that much. Most people watching these on TV don't know or care where they are actually being played.

I think you are correct in your assertion that the location of the tournament really isn't going to influence whether or not casual viewers tune into the games. People who watched the Big East tournament did so because of the high level of play and due to all of the top notch basketball teams involved. I doubt most of the casual viewers watching the old BET cared about it being held in Madison Square Garden.

Where I disagree with you in on the assertion that tournament location doesn't influence perception. While it may not influence the opinion of most casual viewers, I'd argue that it most certainly can and does influence the media. Take the old Big East for example. The conference was always considered one of the top conferences in the country (even in down years). Part of that had to do with how many great programs were in the conference but I think another big part of it was due to all the hype it received from the NYC media machine. Playing the conference tournament in the largest media market in North America and having the media there get behind and embrace the conference really gave the Big East a huge perception boost. Recruits loved playing in the Big Apple and I do think all the hype the tournament generated help attract additional viewers (when sports outlets pump something up as must see TV, it generates a lot more casual views). Just look at how much media attention this year's Big East tournament got (albeit there were some special circumstances this year).

Not to take anything away from the Big East or it's tournament in MSG, but...........

In our neck of the woods, the Big East tournament was never better than page 5 or 6 in the sports sections and always below the fold. It never got play on local TV sports reporting, nor did you ever hear about the Big East Tournament on local talk radio. It was a non event. That is not to say that it didn't get any national attention from some national media outlets, but as far as reaching down to a local level, it just didn't happen. Keep in mind that all of the tournaments (the ACC included) got national media attention just as the Big East did.
All of this media attention that you keep talking about may be true in New York and in the States in which the Big East WAS located, but I confess, I've never seen anything special about Big East Tournament coverage.

Unless you're implying that local media in NC would ignore the ACCT were it to be held in NYC, your post is irrelevant.

(06-30-2013 08:53 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  I'm thinking 1 of 2 options, line it up to have it in Greensboro 1 year and MSG the next and keep that pattern. Or 3 years in Gboro, 3 years in MSG, and maybe the year between those 3 year segments move it around to Atlanta, Nashville, DC.

2014-2016 Greensboro
2017 Atlanta
2018-2020 MSG
2021 DC
2022-2024 Gboro
2025 Nashville
2026-2028 MSG

Typo?

(06-30-2013 08:55 AM)Fburghokie Wrote:  How bout this .. Acc moves it tourney up a week to get the garden . Espn only big tourney In the mix. Kick off of tourney week .

Hell no. Make the Big East move their tournament up a week.

(06-30-2013 12:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 10:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 10:16 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I am 100% against it permanently being in Greensboro/North Carolina and would be perfectly fine if it was only held in NYC from now on.

Thought a lot of people would like this, the ACC can't forget its southern roots.

Can you explain to me how it's forgetting its southern roots with the ACC Football Championship in Charlotte every year?

It's not as though we are advocating everything head up North to us damn yankees.

Cheers,
Neil

ACC was built on basketball. By moving basketball completely to the north, you'll leave behind the tradition that made the ACC great in the first place. Well there's that, and it takes me about 1 hour to drive to Greensboro :)

Bunch of nonsense. Nobody thinks the ACCT is all that special anymore except UNC fans.

The conference would get a lot more "hype", exposure and possibly more revenue if it were held in NYC.

False. The core ACC teams still enjoy Greensboro and the ACCT. Coach K has even come out and said Greensboro should permanently be the home. When the tourney is in G'Boro or even Charlotte, over half of the teams are within driving distance. In NY, that number dwindles significantly.

I agree, hype and exposure will increase with MSG. I don't know about revenue. Greensboro Coliseum is larger than MSG.

Without even moving to MSG, that hype will return with Syracuse, Pitt, ND, and Louisville joining the conference.

If league chooses NYC for perm BBall tourney home which I have no problem with!
I think Charlotte NC should be perm home for the football CG but i do believe the BBall should make a stop back home at the headquarters and ACC hall of fame in Greensboro from time to time thats all. sound reasonable right.

(06-30-2013 12:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 12:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 10:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Thought a lot of people would like this, the ACC can't forget its southern roots.

Can you explain to me how it's forgetting its southern roots with the ACC Football Championship in Charlotte every year?

It's not as though we are advocating everything head up North to us damn yankees.

Cheers,
Neil

ACC was built on basketball. By moving basketball completely to the north, you'll leave behind the tradition that made the ACC great in the first place. Well there's that, and it takes me about 1 hour to drive to Greensboro :)

Bunch of nonsense. Nobody thinks the ACCT is all that special anymore except UNC fans.

The conference would get a lot more "hype", exposure and possibly more revenue if it were held in NYC.

False. The core ACC teams still enjoy Greensboro and the ACCT. Coach K has even come out and said Greensboro should permanently be the home. When the tourney is in G'Boro or even Charlotte, over half of the teams are within driving distance. In NY, that number dwindles significantly.

I agree, hype and exposure will increase with MSG. I don't know about revenue. Greensboro Coliseum is larger than MSG.

Without even moving to MSG, that hype will return with Syracuse, Pitt, ND, and Louisville joining the conference.

This was Coach K's original stance back in mid-March.

Greensboro should be permanent host

It's been modified.

ACC ought to think Big

I don't think it is coincidental that his stance changed after the ACC AD meetings where Pitt and SU put forth consideration of holding the tournament at MSG.

Cheers,
Neil

I have no issue with the ACCT being held in MSG, but not permanently. Some sort of rotations make the most sense. I don't know what MSG would agree to.

(06-30-2013 01:19 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I have no issue with the ACCT being held in MSG, but not permanently. Some sort of rotations make the most sense. I don't know what MSG would agree to.

I also have no problem with MSG and Greensboro splitting the ACCT every other year, but if MSG says every year or none at all, then it's still a no-brainer to me it should be held in the World's Most Famous Arena for identity and branding reasons.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-30-2013 01:24 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:19 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I have no issue with the ACCT being held in MSG, but not permanently. Some sort of rotations make the most sense. I don't know what MSG would agree to.

I also have no problem with MSG and Greensboro splitting the ACCT every other year, but if MSG says every year or none at all, then it's still a no-brainer to me it should be held in the World's Most Famous Arena for identity and branding reasons.

Cheers,
Neil

Being a Syracuse guy, I can see that. The Big East had 2 "southern" teams--Louisville and South Florida so it made sense to play in the north (that's out of 15). 11 of the 15 ACC teams are "southern". Keep that in mind as fans of southern schools aren't as plentiful in the north.

(06-30-2013 01:30 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:24 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:19 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I have no issue with the ACCT being held in MSG, but not permanently. Some sort of rotations make the most sense. I don't know what MSG would agree to.

I also have no problem with MSG and Greensboro splitting the ACCT every other year, but if MSG says every year or none at all, then it's still a no-brainer to me it should be held in the World's Most Famous Arena for identity and branding reasons.

Cheers,
Neil

Being a Syracuse guy, I can see that. The Big East had 2 "southern" teams--Louisville and South Florida so it made sense to play in the north (that's out of 15). 11 of the 15 ACC teams are "southern". Keep that in mind as fans of southern schools aren't as plentiful in the north.

I'll likely be retiring to the Myrtle Beach area by the time the tourney finishes in Greensboro under the current contract or shortly thereafter, so this isn't about being done for selfish reasons as an SU fan. I'll be traveling with the rest of the Carolina fans as well if I'm fortunate enough to get tickets.

It remains about branding and identity. While the league should honor its roots in North Carolina, it also needs to embrace itself as the conference that represents the entire East Coast Boston to Miami.

Travel should be the least of the conference's concerns. Believe me, the high donor ticket buyers at all of the schools will be able to afford their tickets and the travel expenses. The scalpers who travel to whichever site waiting for teams to drop out and pick up game tickets from the high end donors are the ones who may be hurt by the travel. But that group still isn't the vast majority of who the actual ticket holders will be.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-30-2013 01:40 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:30 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:24 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:19 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I have no issue with the ACCT being held in MSG, but not permanently. Some sort of rotations make the most sense. I don't know what MSG would agree to.

I also have no problem with MSG and Greensboro splitting the ACCT every other year, but if MSG says every year or none at all, then it's still a no-brainer to me it should be held in the World's Most Famous Arena for identity and branding reasons.

Cheers,
Neil

Being a Syracuse guy, I can see that. The Big East had 2 "southern" teams--Louisville and South Florida so it made sense to play in the north (that's out of 15). 11 of the 15 ACC teams are "southern". Keep that in mind as fans of southern schools aren't as plentiful in the north.

I'll likely be retiring to the Myrtle Beach area by the time the tourney finishes in Greensboro under the current contract or shortly thereafter, so this isn't about being done for selfish reasons as an SU fan. I'll be traveling with the rest of the Carolina fans as well if I'm fortunate enough to get tickets.

It remains about branding and identity. While the league should honor its roots in North Carolina, it also needs to embrace itself as the conference that represents the entire East Coast Boston to Miami.

Travel should be the least of the conference's concerns. Believe me, the high donor ticket buyers at all of the schools will be able to afford their tickets and the travel expenses. The scalpers who travel to whichever site waiting for teams to drop out and pick up game tickets from the high end donors are the ones who may be hurt by the travel. But that group still isn't the vast majority of who the actual ticket holders will be.

Cheers,
Neil

You are retiring in 2 years? Lucky dog.

(06-30-2013 02:35 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:40 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:30 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:24 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 01:19 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I have no issue with the ACCT being held in MSG, but not permanently. Some sort of rotations make the most sense. I don't know what MSG would agree to.

I also have no problem with MSG and Greensboro splitting the ACCT every other year, but if MSG says every year or none at all, then it's still a no-brainer to me it should be held in the World's Most Famous Arena for identity and branding reasons.

Cheers,
Neil

Being a Syracuse guy, I can see that. The Big East had 2 "southern" teams--Louisville and South Florida so it made sense to play in the north (that's out of 15). 11 of the 15 ACC teams are "southern". Keep that in mind as fans of southern schools aren't as plentiful in the north.

I'll likely be retiring to the Myrtle Beach area by the time the tourney finishes in Greensboro under the current contract or shortly thereafter, so this isn't about being done for selfish reasons as an SU fan. I'll be traveling with the rest of the Carolina fans as well if I'm fortunate enough to get tickets.

It remains about branding and identity. While the league should honor its roots in North Carolina, it also needs to embrace itself as the conference that represents the entire East Coast Boston to Miami.

Travel should be the least of the conference's concerns. Believe me, the high donor ticket buyers at all of the schools will be able to afford their tickets and the travel expenses. The scalpers who travel to whichever site waiting for teams to drop out and pick up game tickets from the high end donors are the ones who may be hurt by the travel. But that group still isn't the vast majority of who the actual ticket holders will be.

Cheers,
Neil

You are retiring in 2 years? Lucky dog.

I'll have 35 years in the system by then and I don't want to hang around for another 5 years after that. I want to enjoy retirement.

Cheers,
Neil

The ACC has an Opportunity to have the greatest basketball tournament in history, and it needs to be in the basketball mecca of the world. Can't you just see the promotion of a semi-final weekend of North Carolina - Duke in the first game, followed by Louisville - Syracuse in the nightcap. ESPN would be salivating and promote the heck out of it. Oh by the way they happen to help pay the bills, so everyone needs to realize we are now the ACC the greatest league in history, lets all go out and prove it. The football also needs to get back to where each team has been and I believe within the 5 year window we will be right there with the SEC.

(06-30-2013 07:12 PM)baggerbob Wrote:  The ACC has an Opportunity to have the greatest basketball tournament in history, and it needs to be in the basketball mecca of the world. Can't you just see the promotion of a semi-final weekend of North Carolina - Duke in the first game, followed by Louisville - Syracuse in the nightcap. ESPN would be salivating and promote the heck out of it. Oh by the way they happen to help pay the bills, so everyone needs to realize we are now the ACC the greatest league in history, lets all go out and prove it. The football also needs to get back to where each team has been and I believe within the 5 year window we will be right there with the SEC.

The ACC made the decision in 2003 that it was going to try to be the conference of the Eastern Seaboard, not just a Southern conference. That's what will distinguish it from other conferences particularly its major rival, the SEC, that is overwhelming it with large state flagships pouring untold resources into football. The ACC decided to combat its rival with the wealth of the Northeast markets, not gate receives at 95K seat stadium which it frankly had no chance of acquiring.

Now some are still imagining after going down this road in 2003 that there is a real choice about whether to engage the largest media center in the world and the defacto capital of the East Coast, or stay provincial to honor its roots. The ACC abandoned its roots in 2003 friends, because it saw what was coming in the future. It isn't announcing the additions to its teams tomorrow in Greensboro. It also isn't going to leave NYC to the Big Ten, which would mean essentially abandoning the purpose for adding four teams north of the Mason Dixon Line. The course has already been charted. If and when MSG is available, the tournament is likely going there, and likely long-term.

(06-30-2013 12:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 12:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 10:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Thought a lot of people would like this, the ACC can't forget its southern roots.

Can you explain to me how it's forgetting its southern roots with the ACC Football Championship in Charlotte every year?

It's not as though we are advocating everything head up North to us damn yankees.

Cheers,
Neil

ACC was built on basketball. By moving basketball completely to the north, you'll leave behind the tradition that made the ACC great in the first place. Well there's that, and it takes me about 1 hour to drive to Greensboro :)

Bunch of nonsense. Nobody thinks the ACCT is all that special anymore except UNC fans.

The conference would get a lot more "hype", exposure and possibly more revenue if it were held in NYC.

False. The core ACC teams still enjoy Greensboro and the ACCT. Coach K has even come out and said Greensboro should permanently be the home.

I've seen very few people outside of UNC fans saying "Must be Greensboro/North Carolina." And go figure, at least one Duke person prefers Greensboro, too?

TRUE: The "core" ACC teams will enjoy NYC.

(06-30-2013 08:46 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 12:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 12:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Can you explain to me how it's forgetting its southern roots with the ACC Football Championship in Charlotte every year?

It's not as though we are advocating everything head up North to us damn yankees.

Cheers,
Neil

ACC was built on basketball. By moving basketball completely to the north, you'll leave behind the tradition that made the ACC great in the first place. Well there's that, and it takes me about 1 hour to drive to Greensboro :)

Bunch of nonsense. Nobody thinks the ACCT is all that special anymore except UNC fans.

The conference would get a lot more "hype", exposure and possibly more revenue if it were held in NYC.

False. The core ACC teams still enjoy Greensboro and the ACCT. Coach K has even come out and said Greensboro should permanently be the home.

I've seen very few people outside of UNC fans saying "Must be Greensboro/North Carolina." And go figure, at least one Duke person prefers Greensboro, too?

TRUE: The "core" ACC teams will enjoy NYC.

I'm a UNC fan and I never said "Must be Greensboro". I said rotation. I believe most UNC fans sit on that side of the fence.

I am for moving it from Greensboro simply because of the unnatural home court advantage it gives the NC schools.

(07-02-2013 10:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I am for moving it from Greensboro simply because of the unnatural home court advantage it gives the NC schools.

You do realize that's BS right? ACC tournament has been held outside of NC 11 times. Teams from NC still won 8 of them.

(07-02-2013 10:38 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 10:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I am for moving it from Greensboro simply because of the unnatural home court advantage it gives the NC schools.

You do realize that's BS right? ACC tournament has been held outside of NC 11 times. Teams from NC still won 8 of them.

If it is a good enough excuse to move the baseball tournament from Greenville to Durham, then it should be a good enough excuse to move the hoops tournament.

Otherwise it was just another BS excuse that Tobacco Road used to line the pockets of the state of NC at the expense of the rest of the ACC.