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(06-25-2013 03:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If Notre Dame plays in an ACC Bowl, like say the Cap One Bowl, does it get a share of only the overall ACC "minor" bowls money, or does it get a cut of the total ACC bowl money, including the big $35 million or whatever the ACC gets from the Orange Bowl too?

ND would only get a cut of the "minor bowl's" payouts. ND doesn't see any OB money unless the Irish actually play in the OB.
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No reason for Notre Dame to receive payments in years they don't play in the Orange Bowl since they have their own separate deal with the Orange Bowl anyway.

In years they play in the Orange Bowl they get around $15 Million all to them alone. And they are still eligible for the other Access Bowls like the Fiesta Bowl, Cotton Bowl & Peach Bowl...good deal for Notre Dame & the ACC.

My point is this...when the ACC Network is up....with the current ESPN Deal and the new Bowl Tie-In and with the one thing nobody mentions but it produces a nice revenue stream-(Basketball Credits) the ACC will be more then fine...behind the Pac 12, SEC & B1G but both the Big XII/ACC will be right their with them...
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(06-25-2013 03:09 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, and don't forget about the money: The Sugar pays out $12.5m per conference more than the Orange. That's equivalent to playing in THREE Cap One Bowls!

Another point for others to bear in mind when evaluating the ACC and Big 12 bowls is that the ACC does have to share its bowls with Notre Dame, but does not share the money. I.e., if the Cap One takes Notre Dame instead of an ACC team, Notre Dame keeps all the money, it does not share that with the ACC. That has to be factored in to the equation.

As for the Orange Bowl, it declined because it got stuck with the ACC and Big East most years. This new arrangement, with the SEC/B1G and ND, should help restore this grand old bowl to its former lustre.



**In fact, the Pac-12 and the Big XII might not even be in a better competitive position. If the B1G sends a team to the FF, it may be the case that the best available SEC team is better than the 2nd best B1G team. In that case, the OB would be better than the Rose Bowl. Similarly, ND might be better than the SEC/B1G rep to the Rose/Champions Bowl.

IMO, money shouldn't even enter into the question of the best bowl lineup. Big deal if the Big 12 makes a little more or the ACC makes a little less or whatever.

But in regards to "competitive position" I still think the above is spin. Sure occasionally the team the ACC faces in the OB will be a higher ranked opponent than the one the B-12 or PAC-12 faces in their respective bowls. But typically that will not be the case. The ACC is always facing a team a full rung down the conference standings relative to the Big 12 and PAC-12, and in most years that will end up being a lesser ranked team. And, importantly, the ACC is the only league who will, by definition, never face a conference champion (except in the playoff). Obviously a lot of the time champions are going to be in the playoff, but they won't always be- some years the PAC-12 will get a chance to beat Big 10 champs.
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(06-25-2013 04:21 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 03:09 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, and don't forget about the money: The Sugar pays out $12.5m per conference more than the Orange. That's equivalent to playing in THREE Cap One Bowls!

Another point for others to bear in mind when evaluating the ACC and Big 12 bowls is that the ACC does have to share its bowls with Notre Dame, but does not share the money. I.e., if the Cap One takes Notre Dame instead of an ACC team, Notre Dame keeps all the money, it does not share that with the ACC. That has to be factored in to the equation.

As for the Orange Bowl, it declined because it got stuck with the ACC and Big East most years. This new arrangement, with the SEC/B1G and ND, should help restore this grand old bowl to its former lustre.



**In fact, the Pac-12 and the Big XII might not even be in a better competitive position. If the B1G sends a team to the FF, it may be the case that the best available SEC team is better than the 2nd best B1G team. In that case, the OB would be better than the Rose Bowl. Similarly, ND might be better than the SEC/B1G rep to the Rose/Champions Bowl.

IMO, money shouldn't even enter into the question of the best bowl lineup. Big deal if the Big 12 makes a little more or the ACC makes a little less or whatever.

But in regards to "competitive position" I still think the above is spin. Sure occasionally the team the ACC faces in the OB will be a higher ranked opponent than the one the B-12 or PAC-12 faces in their respective bowls. But typically that will not be the case. The ACC is always facing a team a full rung down the conference standings relative to the Big 12 and PAC-12, and in most years that will end up being a lesser ranked team. And, importantly, the ACC is the only league who will, by definition, never face a conference champion (except in the playoff). Obviously a lot of the time champions are going to be in the playoff, but they won't always be- some years the PAC-12 will get a chance to beat Big 10 champs.

Honestly, if OSU continues to dominate the B1G (i.e. making the FF), if ND continues to stay good, and if the SEC continues to be as deep as it is, I wouldn't be surprised if the ACC faced a tougher team than the Pac-12 many years. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that our opponent will be better than the Pac's most years, but I don't think that it will be unheard of.
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just about everything about the Orange Bowl is better. who cares if it's the 5th best SEC team as long as they bring fans that spend money & that's the bottom line.
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(06-25-2013 04:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 03:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 03:09 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  **The ACC gets $55 million when the OB hosts, which will be 4 times over the next 12 years. That's a total of $220 million ($55 million times 4). The ACC gets $41.25 million when ND plays in the OB, which will happen twice over the next 12 years[/b], totaling $82.5 million (41.25 times 2) over that time.

Not necessarily. Notre Dame can play a max of twice during those 12 years but there is no minimum amount of times they will play. Depending on how ND's ranking compares to available SEC and B1G teams, they may not play in the OB at all during that time.

Yes, that is correct. I was unclear, but I meant to reference the hypothetical situation created earlier in the post when I said "[a]ssuming that ND plays in it two times..." However, you are right that if ND doesn't play in the OB, the ACC's payout will drop by just over $1 million/time ND doesn't play. None the less, I feel like the ACC/OB is going to bend over backwards to get ND in the game. I can't remember what the criteria for selecting the opponent is. Do they have to take the highest-rated available team, or can they select any team within a given range?

There is no range: The OB must take the highest-ranked among the available B1G/SEC/ teams and ND, subject to the constraints that the B1G and SEC must appear at least 3 times each during the 8 years the OB does not host the playoffs.

There is one caveat that gives them discretion: If the highest-ranked team would create a re-match situation, like say if FSU was the ACC representative and Florida was the highest available SEC/B1G/ND team, then the Orange could, on its own judgment, bypass Florida and take the next highest ranked team, be it Notre Dame or the B1G team. In which case, the team that was passed over is guaranteed a spot in another access bowl.
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(06-25-2013 04:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  just about everything about the Orange Bowl is better. who cares if it's the 5th best SEC team as long as they bring fans that spend money & that's the bottom line.

This is the truth. The OB may have better match ups than both the Sugar and Rose Bowls most years.
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(06-25-2013 10:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 04:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  just about everything about the Orange Bowl is better. who cares if it's the 5th best SEC team as long as they bring fans that spend money & that's the bottom line.

This is the truth. The OB may have better match ups than both the Sugar and Rose Bowls most years.

I wish the OB had more room to make choices, though. I would like the ability to pick a #7 ND over a #6 Wisconsin.
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(06-25-2013 10:22 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 10:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 04:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  just about everything about the Orange Bowl is better. who cares if it's the 5th best SEC team as long as they bring fans that spend money & that's the bottom line.

This is the truth. The OB may have better match ups than both the Sugar and Rose Bowls most years.

I wish the OB had more room to make choices, though. I would like the ability to pick a #7 ND over a #6 Wisconsin.

In this scenario, I assume #6 Wisconsin is the 2nd highest ranked B1G team. That would mean the highest would most likely be in the playoff and Wisconsin would be in the Rose.
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(06-25-2013 10:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 04:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  just about everything about the Orange Bowl is better. who cares if it's the 5th best SEC team as long as they bring fans that spend money & that's the bottom line.

This is the truth. The OB may have better match ups than both the Sugar and Rose Bowls most years.

For the first 25 years i watched college football, from the early 1970s to the late 1990s, the Orange Bowl probably had more great matchups than any of the other major bowls. It featured great games featuring blue-blood and on the rise programs like Oklahoma-Penn State, Notre Dame-Alabama, Miami-Nebraska, etc.

Sadly, during the BCS era the OB became the dumping-ground for undesirable Big East and ACC teams that were automatically included in the BCS even though they often did not deserve it.

This new deal, including the B1G, SEC, and ND, promises to rectify that.
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(06-25-2013 10:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 10:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 04:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  just about everything about the Orange Bowl is better. who cares if it's the 5th best SEC team as long as they bring fans that spend money & that's the bottom line.

This is the truth. The OB may have better match ups than both the Sugar and Rose Bowls most years.

For the first 25 years i watched college football, from the early 1970s to the late 1990s, the Orange Bowl probably had more great matchups than any of the other major bowls. It featured great games featuring blue-blood and on the rise programs like Oklahoma-Penn State, Notre Dame-Alabama, Miami-Nebraska, etc.

Sadly, during the BCS era the OB became the dumping-ground for undesirable Big East and ACC teams that were automatically included in the BCS even though they often did not deserve it.

This new deal, including the B1G, SEC, and ND, promises to rectify that.

Agreed...in a worse case scenario...the CFP get 2 SEC Schools-(agrument sake say it is Florida/Alabama)...the Sugar Bowl gets a #7 Ranked LSU...on the B1G side a Michigan makes the CFP while a Ohio State goes to the Rose Bowl & either a Notre Dame is in the Playoff or down that year. The Orange Bol is still likely looking @ a high ranked Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn or Texas A&M most years...
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(06-24-2013 11:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-24-2013 10:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(06-24-2013 10:27 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I think the CapOne piece puts the ACC ahead of the Big 12 in terms of bowl tie ins.

Probably...but in reality the Big XII did a good job in their own right...no losers in this...it just makes some that want to use the "Power Four"/ACC the "Runt" argument look really dumb...

Don't create a strawman: I've always maintained that the ACC is clearly a P5 conference. I've only maintained that structurally, the ACC is in the weakest position within the P5, and because of the Sugar Bowl deal, it is. 07-coffee3
Are you still spouting this nonsense? Good lord you are persistent.
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(06-25-2013 04:21 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 03:09 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, and don't forget about the money: The Sugar pays out $12.5m per conference more than the Orange. That's equivalent to playing in THREE Cap One Bowls!

Another point for others to bear in mind when evaluating the ACC and Big 12 bowls is that the ACC does have to share its bowls with Notre Dame, but does not share the money. I.e., if the Cap One takes Notre Dame instead of an ACC team, Notre Dame keeps all the money, it does not share that with the ACC. That has to be factored in to the equation.

As for the Orange Bowl, it declined because it got stuck with the ACC and Big East most years. This new arrangement, with the SEC/B1G and ND, should help restore this grand old bowl to its former lustre.



**In fact, the Pac-12 and the Big XII might not even be in a better competitive position. If the B1G sends a team to the FF, it may be the case that the best available SEC team is better than the 2nd best B1G team. In that case, the OB would be better than the Rose Bowl. Similarly, ND might be better than the SEC/B1G rep to the Rose/Champions Bowl.

IMO, money shouldn't even enter into the question of the best bowl lineup. Big deal if the Big 12 makes a little more or the ACC makes a little less or whatever.

But in regards to "competitive position" I still think the above is spin. Sure occasionally the team the ACC faces in the OB will be a higher ranked opponent than the one the B-12 or PAC-12 faces in their respective bowls. But typically that will not be the case. The ACC is always facing a team a full rung down the conference standings relative to the Big 12 and PAC-12, and in most years that will end up being a lesser ranked team. And, importantly, the ACC is the only league who will, by definition, never face a conference champion (except in the playoff). Obviously a lot of the time champions are going to be in the playoff, but they won't always be- some years the PAC-12 will get a chance to beat Big 10 champs.

True, but if that Big 10 champ is #8, while the third best SEC team or ND is #6 or 7, who got the better match-up?

We should wait to see how it plays out before we decide one way or the other.

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(06-25-2013 10:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 10:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 04:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  just about everything about the Orange Bowl is better. who cares if it's the 5th best SEC team as long as they bring fans that spend money & that's the bottom line.

This is the truth. The OB may have better match ups than both the Sugar and Rose Bowls most years.

For the first 25 years i watched college football, from the early 1970s to the late 1990s, the Orange Bowl probably had more great matchups than any of the other major bowls. It featured great games featuring blue-blood and on the rise programs like Oklahoma-Penn State, Notre Dame-Alabama, Miami-Nebraska, etc.

Sadly, during the BCS era the OB became the dumping-ground for undesirable Big East and ACC teams that were automatically included in the BCS even though they often did not deserve it.

This new deal, including the B1G, SEC, and ND, promises to rectify that.

You mean since the 5 game BCS era, right? Which occurred after the depletion of the Big East (with the Big East no longer a co-anchor of the bowl) and the fall of FSU and Miami.

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(06-29-2013 03:48 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(06-24-2013 11:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-24-2013 10:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(06-24-2013 10:27 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I think the CapOne piece puts the ACC ahead of the Big 12 in terms of bowl tie ins.

Probably...but in reality the Big XII did a good job in their own right...no losers in this...it just makes some that want to use the "Power Four"/ACC the "Runt" argument look really dumb...

Don't create a strawman: I've always maintained that the ACC is clearly a P5 conference. I've only maintained that structurally, the ACC is in the weakest position within the P5, and because of the Sugar Bowl deal, it is. 07-coffee3
Are you still spouting this nonsense? Good lord you are persistent.

Yes, I'm persistent at spouting the truth in the face of ACC fan ignorance. 07-coffee3
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(06-29-2013 04:37 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 10:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 10:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 04:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  just about everything about the Orange Bowl is better. who cares if it's the 5th best SEC team as long as they bring fans that spend money & that's the bottom line.

This is the truth. The OB may have better match ups than both the Sugar and Rose Bowls most years.

For the first 25 years i watched college football, from the early 1970s to the late 1990s, the Orange Bowl probably had more great matchups than any of the other major bowls. It featured great games featuring blue-blood and on the rise programs like Oklahoma-Penn State, Notre Dame-Alabama, Miami-Nebraska, etc.

Sadly, during the BCS era the OB became the dumping-ground for undesirable Big East and ACC teams that were automatically included in the BCS even though they often did not deserve it.

This new deal, including the B1G, SEC, and ND, promises to rectify that.

You mean since the 5 game BCS era, right? Which occurred after the depletion of the Big East (with the Big East no longer a co-anchor of the bowl) and the fall of FSU and Miami.

Basically, yes. For the first part of the BCS era, the Orange Bowl did fine because even though the Big East champion often played in the national title game (e.g., VT in 1999, Miami in 2001 and 2002) it was able to fill the open slot with big-name teams from other BCS conferences (Michigan in 1999, Florida in 2001, USC in 2002). It also hosted the title game twice during that time (2000 and 2004), ensuring a strong matchup those years. The Orange only had to host a Big East champ twice between 1998-2004, once being the weak 1998 Syracuse team but in 2003 it was big-time Miami.

In the second part of the BCS era, from 2005 onwards, with the Big East stripped of Miami, the Orange Bowl prudently ended its Big East tie-in, which should have freed it from having to host lesser-name Big East participants. That era started off strongly with a classic matchup between FSU and Penn State.

Unfortunately for the Orange, thanks to the vagaries of the BCS selection process, it got saddled with the Big East champion three times in the next seven years, and these champs were small names. Even worse, the Orange also got clobbered by the softness of the ACC, its tie-in with that conference being an albatross featuring lousy and lesser-name VT, Clemson, GT, and Wake Forest teams. The combination of hosting soft ACC and Big East champs was devastating.

Over the last seven years, the only big-name team that the OB hosted was FSU this past year, and that game was itself greatly diminished because (a) the Orange also got saddled with Northern Illinois, the most ridiculous BCS bowl participant ever, and (b) FSU was coming off a bad home loss to SEC also-ran Florida, making their status as a "BCS conference champion" not very worthy of respect.

This new deal ensures that the Orange Bowl will surely have at least one big-name participant, from the B1G, SEC, or ND, even if the ACC continues to serve up bad football champions.
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(06-29-2013 06:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-25-2013 10:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 10:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 04:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  just about everything about the Orange Bowl is better. who cares if it's the 5th best SEC team as long as they bring fans that spend money & that's the bottom line.

This is the truth. The OB may have better match ups than both the Sugar and Rose Bowls most years.

For the first 25 years i watched college football, from the early 1970s to the late 1990s, the Orange Bowl probably had more great matchups than any of the other major bowls. It featured great games featuring blue-blood and on the rise programs like Oklahoma-Penn State, Notre Dame-Alabama, Miami-Nebraska, etc.

Sadly, during the BCS era the OB became the dumping-ground for undesirable Big East and ACC teams that were automatically included in the BCS even though they often did not deserve it.

This new deal, including the B1G, SEC, and ND, promises to rectify that.

You mean since the 5 game BCS era, right? Which occurred after the depletion of the Big East (with the Big East no longer a co-anchor of the bowl) and the fall of FSU and Miami.

Basically, yes. For the first part of the BCS era, the Orange Bowl did fine because even though the Big East champion often played in the national title game (e.g., VT in 1999, Miami in 2001 and 2002) it was able to fill the open slot with big-name teams from other BCS conferences (Michigan in 1999, Florida in 2001, USC in 2002). It also hosted the title game twice during that time (2000 and 2004), ensuring a strong matchup those years. The Orange only had to host a Big East champ twice between 1998-2004, once being the weak 1998 Syracuse team but in 2003 it was big-time Miami.

In the second part of the BCS era, from 2005 onwards, with the Big East stripped of Miami, the Orange Bowl prudently ended its Big East tie-in, which should have freed it from having to host lesser-name Big East participants. That era started off strongly with a classic matchup between FSU and Penn State.

Unfortunately for the Orange, thanks to the vagaries of the BCS selection process, it got saddled with the Big East champion three times in the next seven years, and these champs were small names. Even worse, the Orange also got clobbered by the softness of the ACC, its tie-in with that conference being an albatross featuring lousy and lesser-name VT, Clemson, GT, and Wake Forest teams. The combination of hosting soft ACC and Big East champs was devastating.

Over the last seven years, the only big-name team that the OB hosted was FSU this past year, and that game was itself greatly diminished because (a) the Orange also got saddled with Northern Illinois, the most ridiculous BCS bowl participant ever, and (b) FSU was coming off a bad home loss to SEC also-ran Florida, making their status as a "BCS conference champion" not very worthy of respect.

This new deal ensures that the Orange Bowl will surely have at least one big-name participant, from the B1G, SEC, or ND, even if the ACC continues to serve up bad football champions.

"Also-ran" Florida? Weren't they the #3 team in the BCS?

I don't see how losing to Florida makes them not worthy of respect.
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Actually since the 1st realignment the Sugar Bowl has hosted the BIG EAST Champion just as much as the Orange Bowl.

The Sugar Bowl got the BIG EAST in 2005, 2009 & 2012 with the BIG EAST going 2-1...the Orange Bowl got the BIG EAST in 2006, 2008 & 2011 with the BIG EAST going 2-1....the Sugar Bowl also got Hawaii....imma just saying 04-cheers
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(06-29-2013 07:12 PM)Maize Wrote:  Actually since the 1st realignment the Sugar Bowl has hosted the BIG EAST Champion just as much as the Orange Bowl.

The Sugar Bowl got the BIG EAST in 2005, 2009 & 2012 with the BIG EAST going 2-1...the Orange Bowl got the BIG EAST in 2006, 2008 & 2011 with the BIG EAST going 2-1....the Sugar Bowl also got Hawaii....imma just saying 04-cheers

Yes, but the Sugar had the advantage of hosting big-name SEC teams to counter-balance the lesser-appeal of the Big East teams and Hawaii. In contrast, the Orange was stuck with both ACC and Big East teams, a fatal combination.
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(06-29-2013 07:05 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-29-2013 06:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-29-2013 04:37 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 10:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2013 10:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  This is the truth. The OB may have better match ups than both the Sugar and Rose Bowls most years.

For the first 25 years i watched college football, from the early 1970s to the late 1990s, the Orange Bowl probably had more great matchups than any of the other major bowls. It featured great games featuring blue-blood and on the rise programs like Oklahoma-Penn State, Notre Dame-Alabama, Miami-Nebraska, etc.

Sadly, during the BCS era the OB became the dumping-ground for undesirable Big East and ACC teams that were automatically included in the BCS even though they often did not deserve it.

This new deal, including the B1G, SEC, and ND, promises to rectify that.

You mean since the 5 game BCS era, right? Which occurred after the depletion of the Big East (with the Big East no longer a co-anchor of the bowl) and the fall of FSU and Miami.

Basically, yes. For the first part of the BCS era, the Orange Bowl did fine because even though the Big East champion often played in the national title game (e.g., VT in 1999, Miami in 2001 and 2002) it was able to fill the open slot with big-name teams from other BCS conferences (Michigan in 1999, Florida in 2001, USC in 2002). It also hosted the title game twice during that time (2000 and 2004), ensuring a strong matchup those years. The Orange only had to host a Big East champ twice between 1998-2004, once being the weak 1998 Syracuse team but in 2003 it was big-time Miami.

In the second part of the BCS era, from 2005 onwards, with the Big East stripped of Miami, the Orange Bowl prudently ended its Big East tie-in, which should have freed it from having to host lesser-name Big East participants. That era started off strongly with a classic matchup between FSU and Penn State.

Unfortunately for the Orange, thanks to the vagaries of the BCS selection process, it got saddled with the Big East champion three times in the next seven years, and these champs were small names. Even worse, the Orange also got clobbered by the softness of the ACC, its tie-in with that conference being an albatross featuring lousy and lesser-name VT, Clemson, GT, and Wake Forest teams. The combination of hosting soft ACC and Big East champs was devastating.

Over the last seven years, the only big-name team that the OB hosted was FSU this past year, and that game was itself greatly diminished because (a) the Orange also got saddled with Northern Illinois, the most ridiculous BCS bowl participant ever, and (b) FSU was coming off a bad home loss to SEC also-ran Florida, making their status as a "BCS conference champion" not very worthy of respect.

This new deal ensures that the Orange Bowl will surely have at least one big-name participant, from the B1G, SEC, or ND, even if the ACC continues to serve up bad football champions.

"Also-ran" Florida? Weren't they the #3 team in the BCS?

I don't see how losing to Florida makes them not worthy of respect.

Florida was #3 in the BCS, but also #3 in the SEC, so "also ran" is appropriate. And I'm sorry, but if you get beat at home at the end of the season by 11 points by another major conference's runner-up, your conference title just doesn't count for much from a national point of view. It devalues it.
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