since i moved to toledo, i've always heard that the campus was going to become like southern cal, or penn state or wisconsin where its a virtual city within the city its in.

meaning the campus is going to reach far beyond dorr and as wide as secor all the way past douglas. true? not true?

i've love to see this happen so during games on tv u can see the safety factor at work because its all "on campus" kinda like bgsu is.


it could happen seeing as how USC is in the middle of the most unsafe side of any city in america

I've never heard anyone say that UT will be the next USC, Wisky, Penn St., etc. (I don't even know if it'd be a good thing to be like PSU and Wisky).

But UT and the surrounding area is lightyears ahead of where it was just a few year ago. Here are some of the improvements:
-Campus Village Apts office (where Subway and a few other shops are along Secor, on the other side of Gradkowskis)
-Gateway project
-Campus Oasis
-tearing down a bunch of buildings along Dorr (where the Taco Bell is now, the buildings that were on the SW corner of Dorr/Secor, and the large building that was on the corner of Dorr/Byrne).

I also saw (what I'm guessing was preliminary drawings, back in '10-'11 before Gateway even started moving dirt) of an extended Gateway Project that continued on the SW corner of Dorr/Secor and went down along Dorr to Byrne.

I have also heard that in the area of Rick's City Diner (on Bancroft, just east of Westwood), those buildings were bought and that area will be turned into an apartment complex or student housing (possibly UT owned???).

So there is still a lot going on, and a lot of potential.

Not true. The area across Douglas is Ottawa Park and is owned by the city. The properties that have been purchased around Dorr are owned by the UT Foundation, not UT.

I have also heard about Rick's City Diner being bought by a private investor who will build student housing.

(06-26-2013 07:04 AM)Photodan Wrote:  Not true. The area across Douglas is Ottawa Park and is owned by the city. The properties that have been purchased around Dorr are owned by the UT Foundation, not UT.

I have also heard about Rick's City Diner being bought by a private investor who will build student housing.

Dan is correct about the properties being owned by the foundation. Is the synagogue at the corner of Douglas and Kenwood still owned by the foundation?

Will the community going in at the corner of Westwood and Bancroft be like the Olde Towne next to engineering on Westwood? Olde Towne is operated by a private company, but I thought there was some partnership between it and the university. Will the same hold true with the community built at Westwood and Bancroft.

I miss angelo's attic's pizza.... and while I am on the topic... I miss the blind pig and the stein as well... especially 5 cent beer nights

Since the University is in dire financial straights, I doubt you will see UT spending much money on anything other than with private funds.

(06-26-2013 08:11 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 07:04 AM)Photodan Wrote:  Not true. The area across Douglas is Ottawa Park and is owned by the city. The properties that have been purchased around Dorr are owned by the UT Foundation, not UT.

I have also heard about Rick's City Diner being bought by a private investor who will build student housing.

Dan is correct about the properties being owned by the foundation. Is the synagogue at the corner of Douglas and Kenwood still owned by the foundation?

Will the community going in at the corner of Westwood and Bancroft be like the Olde Towne next to engineering on Westwood? Olde Towne is operated by a private company, but I thought there was some partnership between it and the university. Will the same hold true with the community built at Westwood and Bancroft.

I'm pretty sure the synagogue was sold a year or so ago.

My understanding is that, yes it will be similar to the Olde Towne situation.

According to AREIS Online the Synagogue was bought on 2/19/10 by CENTRAL ACADEMY OF TOLEDO LLC. It was previously owned by U.T. FOUNDATION REAL ESTAT E CORP, AN OHIO NON-PROFIT CORP. There has been no change in land ownership for any of the properties at the corner of Bancroft & Westwood.

(06-27-2013 10:05 PM)Photodan Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 08:11 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 07:04 AM)Photodan Wrote:  Not true. The area across Douglas is Ottawa Park and is owned by the city. The properties that have been purchased around Dorr are owned by the UT Foundation, not UT.

I have also heard about Rick's City Diner being bought by a private investor who will build student housing.

Dan is correct about the properties being owned by the foundation. Is the synagogue at the corner of Douglas and Kenwood still owned by the foundation?

Will the community going in at the corner of Westwood and Bancroft be like the Olde Towne next to engineering on Westwood? Olde Towne is operated by a private company, but I thought there was some partnership between it and the university. Will the same hold true with the community built at Westwood and Bancroft.

I'm pretty sure the synagogue was sold a year or so ago.

My understanding is that, yes it will be similar to the Olde Towne situation.

Thanks for the info on the synagogue. I know St. Francis was looking at it for their pseudo-junior high, but went cheap and leased a space at a warehouse along the railroad on Hill Ave instead.

It's good that UT is in a similar partnership with the soon-to-be-renovated property where Rick's and the former University Lanes are located at. Just like Olde Towne, let a private company put forth the initial cost and continuous maintenance. The university will make money off a portion of each rent because (if it's like Olde Towne) the residences will be treated like student housing. The developers wouldn't have the access or criminal rates if it wasn't for the access they have through the university. UT will get a portion of every residence rented out for as long as the building is standing and it's a sweet deal for the school, just like the packed Olde Towne complex is.

(06-28-2013 02:00 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 10:05 PM)Photodan Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 08:11 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 07:04 AM)Photodan Wrote:  Not true. The area across Douglas is Ottawa Park and is owned by the city. The properties that have been purchased around Dorr are owned by the UT Foundation, not UT.

I have also heard about Rick's City Diner being bought by a private investor who will build student housing.

Dan is correct about the properties being owned by the foundation. Is the synagogue at the corner of Douglas and Kenwood still owned by the foundation?

Will the community going in at the corner of Westwood and Bancroft be like the Olde Towne next to engineering on Westwood? Olde Towne is operated by a private company, but I thought there was some partnership between it and the university. Will the same hold true with the community built at Westwood and Bancroft.

I'm pretty sure the synagogue was sold a year or so ago.

My understanding is that, yes it will be similar to the Olde Towne situation.

Thanks for the info on the synagogue. I know St. Francis was looking at it for their pseudo-junior high, but went cheap and leased a space at a warehouse along the railroad on Hill Ave instead.

It's good that UT is in a similar partnership with the soon-to-be-renovated property where Rick's and the former University Lanes are located at. Just like Olde Towne, let a private company put forth the initial cost and continuous maintenance. The university will make money off a portion of each rent because (if it's like Olde Towne) the residences will be treated like student housing. The developers wouldn't have the access or criminal rates if it wasn't for the access they have through the university. UT will get a portion of every residence rented out for as long as the building is standing and it's a sweet deal for the school, just like the packed Olde Towne complex is.

Problem is: they built it with the wrong style (color) bricks/stones......

Terry- Completely agree about the brick/stone style of Olde Towne not matching campus, but they probably had to go with the style the developer gave them (same as the Gateway complex). The continuity of the buildings and style on UT's campus is something I love and it separates UT from a place like BG, which will just toss buildings together with no regard to style. It really makes the UT campus look nice and it ties the campus together. The only campus I've seen that does a better job matching old and new buildings in terms of style and architecture is Duke.

With the new development at the corner of Bancroft and Westwood, what all is being cleared out for it? I know the old University Lanes and the buildings along Bancroft that housed Rick's and the old bar (can't remember the bar's name) are getting torn down. What about Maxwell's and the gas station? What about the dumpy apartments that go around the perimeter of the parking lot? It'd be really nice to see those apartments gone.

(07-18-2013 08:24 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  Terry- Completely agree about the brick/stone style of Olde Towne not matching campus, but they probably had to go with the style the developer gave them (same as the Gateway complex). The continuity of the buildings and style on UT's campus is something I love and it separates UT from a place like BG, which will just toss buildings together with no regard to style. It really makes the UT campus look nice and it ties the campus together. The only campus I've seen that does a better job matching old and new buildings in terms of style and architecture is Duke.

With the new development at the corner of Bancroft and Westwood, what all is being cleared out for it? I know the old University Lanes and the buildings along Bancroft that housed Rick's and the old bar (can't remember the bar's name) are getting torn down. What about Maxwell's and the gas station? What about the dumpy apartments that go around the perimeter of the parking lot? It'd be really nice to see those apartments gone.

Personally, I like the change in pace on the architecture, as long as there is some separation. It leaves some room for creativity and building according to function. There have been some misses but the Engineering Bldg for example is a solid home run. Any new building in that main quad area I hope would respect tradition.

I was wondering why they did such a reconstruction on that road that parallels Westwood. UT owns ALL that property for development?

What happened to the Ottawa River Project? I saw drawings for it??? Ottawa river renovation and keep up would boost campus views by 2103410%. That is a landmark of our campus and it should be embraced!

(07-18-2013 01:23 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  What happened to the Ottawa River Project? I saw drawings for it??? Ottawa river renovation and keep up would boost campus views by 2103410%. That is a landmark of our campus and it should be embraced!

I seem to recall just reading something about it. It's still on-going. I'll see if I can find a link.

Final Phase of River...

(07-18-2013 02:05 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Final Phase of River...

I have seen a few trees taken out. Along with the natural improvements I hope the view of the Ottawa is improved also. I thought they were going to add some of the campus rock architecture down the side of the river to make it look like an old canal. But that may have been in my head... Anyways, it's still a good start.

(07-18-2013 08:24 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  Terry- Completely agree about the brick/stone style of Olde Towne not matching campus, but they probably had to go with the style the developer gave them (same as the Gateway complex). The continuity of the buildings and style on UT's campus is something I love and it separates UT from a place like BG, which will just toss buildings together with no regard to style. It really makes the UT campus look nice and it ties the campus together. The only campus I've seen that does a better job matching old and new buildings in terms of style and architecture is Duke.

With the new development at the corner of Bancroft and Westwood, what all is being cleared out for it? I know the old University Lanes and the buildings along Bancroft that housed Rick's and the old bar (can't remember the bar's name) are getting torn down. What about Maxwell's and the gas station? What about the dumpy apartments that go around the perimeter of the parking lot? It'd be really nice to see those apartments gone.

Former home to UT landmarks Charlie's Blind Pig and the Stein n' Pitcher.

(07-18-2013 05:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 08:24 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  Terry- Completely agree about the brick/stone style of Olde Towne not matching campus, but they probably had to go with the style the developer gave them (same as the Gateway complex). The continuity of the buildings and style on UT's campus is something I love and it separates UT from a place like BG, which will just toss buildings together with no regard to style. It really makes the UT campus look nice and it ties the campus together. The only campus I've seen that does a better job matching old and new buildings in terms of style and architecture is Duke.

With the new development at the corner of Bancroft and Westwood, what all is being cleared out for it? I know the old University Lanes and the buildings along Bancroft that housed Rick's and the old bar (can't remember the bar's name) are getting torn down. What about Maxwell's and the gas station? What about the dumpy apartments that go around the perimeter of the parking lot? It'd be really nice to see those apartments gone.

Former home to UT landmarks Charlie's Blind Pig and the Stein n' Pitcher.

"Landmarks"???? I don't know if I'd call them that, but I have a lot of stories about those two places..........

(07-18-2013 07:01 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 05:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 08:24 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  Terry- Completely agree about the brick/stone style of Olde Towne not matching campus, but they probably had to go with the style the developer gave them (same as the Gateway complex). The continuity of the buildings and style on UT's campus is something I love and it separates UT from a place like BG, which will just toss buildings together with no regard to style. It really makes the UT campus look nice and it ties the campus together. The only campus I've seen that does a better job matching old and new buildings in terms of style and architecture is Duke.

With the new development at the corner of Bancroft and Westwood, what all is being cleared out for it? I know the old University Lanes and the buildings along Bancroft that housed Rick's and the old bar (can't remember the bar's name) are getting torn down. What about Maxwell's and the gas station? What about the dumpy apartments that go around the perimeter of the parking lot? It'd be really nice to see those apartments gone.

Former home to UT landmarks Charlie's Blind Pig and the Stein n' Pitcher.

"Landmarks"???? I don't know if I'd call them that, but I have a lot of stories about those two places..........

Wow...so do I.

(07-18-2013 11:34 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 08:24 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  Terry- Completely agree about the brick/stone style of Olde Towne not matching campus, but they probably had to go with the style the developer gave them (same as the Gateway complex). The continuity of the buildings and style on UT's campus is something I love and it separates UT from a place like BG, which will just toss buildings together with no regard to style. It really makes the UT campus look nice and it ties the campus together. The only campus I've seen that does a better job matching old and new buildings in terms of style and architecture is Duke.

With the new development at the corner of Bancroft and Westwood, what all is being cleared out for it? I know the old University Lanes and the buildings along Bancroft that housed Rick's and the old bar (can't remember the bar's name) are getting torn down. What about Maxwell's and the gas station? What about the dumpy apartments that go around the perimeter of the parking lot? It'd be really nice to see those apartments gone.

Personally, I like the change in pace on the architecture, as long as there is some separation. It leaves some room for creativity and building according to function. There have been some misses but the Engineering Bldg for example is a solid home run. Any new building in that main quad area I hope would respect tradition.

I was wondering why they did such a reconstruction on that road that parallels Westwood. UT owns ALL that property for development?

The UT Foundation owns a lot of land and they partner with developers to do joint projects. I'm not sure how much land the Foundation and/or developers own on that corner, which is why I was asking if Maxwell's, the gas station, and the dumpy apartments are going to stay or go when the developer starts tearing the other buildings down.