(06-17-2013 06:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 04:43 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  WVU gets a bye into the championship game, right?

Who said anything about WVU - besides you?

I'm getting tired of all the abuse thrown at WVU because people are tired of hearing the expansion nonsense of a couple of WVU fans. Throw the abuse at the people that deserve it, and don't dump on the entire fanbase. It's not going to win you any friends, or influence anyone...

This goes to everyone here. I'm fed up with it. I'm a WVU fan, and I've never dumped on any school, or spread expansion rumors, and I take exception to all the abuse thrown at WVU because you don't like The Dude. I don't care for him myself, and wish he'd shut the hell up...

I don't care for everyone throwing WVU under the bus because they don't like him either, and I'm not going to stand for it any longer...

So cut it out...

Bit, every single WVU joke is directed right at The Dude, not WVU itself. Jump over to the SEC Board sometime... we are trying to figure out how to get WVU in the SEC at least once a week. I think we have about a dozen scenarios where WVU is in next time around.

(06-17-2013 09:08 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  IMO Oklahoma and Kansas to the B1G will be the next move and it will probably happen a couple years before the GOR expiration date.

I'd be curious to hear from OU and KU people who would know if OU and KU have a little brother problem when it comes to realignment. People have always speculated since this whole deal started several years ago, but is the climate still the same in those states? If either OSU or KSU can't land in a P5, are OU and KU stuck? If so, OU, OSU, KU, and KSU all to the PAC is not horrible if it came down to it.

(06-17-2013 04:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I don't know, three by 24 might look something like this:

Big 10

East: Boston College, Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn St., Pitt, Rutgers,

North: Indiana, Michigan, Mich St., Ohio State, Purdue, Syracuse

Mid-West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

West: California, Colorado, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Wash.


SEC

North: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Wake Forest

South: Alabama, Florida St., Georgia Tech, Miami, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana St., Ole Miss, Miss St., Missouri, Texas A&M


Gateway

East: Cincinnati, Iowa State, Louisville, Kansas, Kansas St., West Va.

South: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

North: Boise State, Brigham Young, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Wash St.

West: Arizona, Arizona St., Col. St., Nevada, San Diego St., Wyoming

UConn has more going for it than about 15 of those schools.

That's just pure foolishness.

(06-17-2013 09:16 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 06:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 04:43 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  WVU gets a bye into the championship game, right?

Who said anything about WVU - besides you?

I'm getting tired of all the abuse thrown at WVU because people are tired of hearing the expansion nonsense of a couple of WVU fans. Throw the abuse at the people that deserve it, and don't dump on the entire fanbase. It's not going to win you any friends, or influence anyone...

This goes to everyone here. I'm fed up with it. I'm a WVU fan, and I've never dumped on any school, or spread expansion rumors, and I take exception to all the abuse thrown at WVU because you don't like The Dude. I don't care for him myself, and wish he'd shut the hell up...

I don't care for everyone throwing WVU under the bus because they don't like him either, and I'm not going to stand for it any longer...

So cut it out...

Bit, every single WVU joke is directed right at The Dude, not WVU itself. Jump over to the SEC Board sometime... we are trying to figure out how to get WVU in the SEC at least once a week. I think we have about a dozen scenarios where WVU is in next time around.

I'd love to see WVU in the SEC. I figure WVU would be in the same division as Tennessee, which would mean I'd get to see the Mountaineers play close to home every other year. WVU almost made it for #12 (lost out to USC), and then again for #14 (lost out to Mizzou). I thought the SEC made a mistake both times. But if it happens, it won't be for a decade or so. The GoR prevents that at present...

(06-17-2013 09:29 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 04:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I don't know, three by 24 might look something like this:

Big 10

East: Boston College, Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn St., Pitt, Rutgers,

North: Indiana, Michigan, Mich St., Ohio State, Purdue, Syracuse

Mid-West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

West: California, Colorado, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Wash.


SEC

North: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Wake Forest

South: Alabama, Florida St., Georgia Tech, Miami, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana St., Ole Miss, Miss St., Missouri, Texas A&M


Gateway

East: Cincinnati, Iowa State, Louisville, Kansas, Kansas St., West Va.

South: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

North: Boise State, Brigham Young, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Wash St.

West: Arizona, Arizona St., Col. St., Nevada, San Diego St., Wyoming

UConn has more going for it than about 15 of those schools.

That's just pure foolishness.

I absolutely agree with you. The Huskies biggest problem is logistics. Outside of the Big 10 and ACC they would be fairly significant outliers for any other conference. Even in a large expansion it would be difficult for the Big 12 and SEC to build a bridge to them. IMO they should be part of the ACC. But they aren't.

(06-17-2013 09:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 09:16 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 06:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 04:43 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  WVU gets a bye into the championship game, right?

Who said anything about WVU - besides you?

I'm getting tired of all the abuse thrown at WVU because people are tired of hearing the expansion nonsense of a couple of WVU fans. Throw the abuse at the people that deserve it, and don't dump on the entire fanbase. It's not going to win you any friends, or influence anyone...

This goes to everyone here. I'm fed up with it. I'm a WVU fan, and I've never dumped on any school, or spread expansion rumors, and I take exception to all the abuse thrown at WVU because you don't like The Dude. I don't care for him myself, and wish he'd shut the hell up...

I don't care for everyone throwing WVU under the bus because they don't like him either, and I'm not going to stand for it any longer...

So cut it out...

Bit, every single WVU joke is directed right at The Dude, not WVU itself. Jump over to the SEC Board sometime... we are trying to figure out how to get WVU in the SEC at least once a week. I think we have about a dozen scenarios where WVU is in next time around.

I'd love to see WVU in the SEC. I figure WVU would be in the same division as Tennessee, which would mean I'd get to see the Mountaineers play close to home every other year. WVU almost made it for #12 (lost out to USC, and then again for #14 (lost out to Mizzou). I thought the SEC made a mistake both times. But if it happens, it won't be for a decade or so. The GoR prevents that at present...

I hear you, but it's hard to argue against Arkansas, South Carolina, TAMU, or Mizzou. If UVA had gone to the B1G as rumored and the SEC landed Va. Tech, a pod with UK, UT, WVU, and Va. Tech would have been stellar. If you map out the actual campus locations, it is perfect for rivalries. Maybe someday. I'm still dreaming of UNC, Duke, NCSU, UVA, Va. Tech, WVU, FSU, Clemson, Ga. Tech, and Louisville. Lock the gate at 24, throw away the key, just play each other for all regular seasons in every sport, play other conferences only in bowl games and playoffs. Maybe when I find that genie in a bottle...

You know what I'd pay money to watch? An uncensored documentary where everyone absolutely had to agree to interviews and tell the truth about this UConn situation. I want to hear from Boston College, Swofford, and Delany. They all have to be in the same room with UConn. Round table style.

(06-17-2013 09:51 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  You know what I'd pay money to watch? An uncensored documentary where everyone absolutely had to agree to interviews and tell the truth about this UConn situation. I want to hear from Boston College, Swofford, and Delany. They all have to be in the same room with UConn. Round table style.

It's simple. UConn was not much different than UMass or the University of New Hampshire until Jim Calhoun arrived in 1986. UConn was late arriving to big time college athletics ... but once at the party, UConn made a big impact.

The nouveau riche Huskies infuriated the old eastern schools like BC, Syracuse, and Pitt. Those schools lie awake at night, in fear of UConn's potential as a land-grant state school with:

1) solid fan support,
2) an administration committed to success, and
3) nearly unlimited assets provided by the good people of Connecticut (another $2 billion was announced last week).

The old guard schools see realignment as a tool to cut UConn out of the picture, hoping that UConn will eventually die on the vine. It's very Machiavellian. It's not very collegial.

(06-17-2013 10:27 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 09:51 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  You know what I'd pay money to watch? An uncensored documentary where everyone absolutely had to agree to interviews and tell the truth about this UConn situation. I want to hear from Boston College, Swofford, and Delany. They all have to be in the same room with UConn. Round table style.

It's simple. UConn was not much different than UMass or the University of New Hampshire until Jim Calhoun arrived in 1986. UConn was late arriving to big time college athletics ... but once at the party, UConn made a big impact.

The nouveau riche Huskies infuriated the old eastern schools like BC, Syracuse, and Pitt. Those schools lie awake at night, in fear of UConn's potential as a land-grant state school with:

1) solid fan support,
2) an administration committed to success, and
3) nearly unlimited assets provided by the good people of Connecticut (another $2 billion was announced last week).

The old guard schools see realignment as a tool to cut UConn out of the picture, hoping that UConn will eventually die on the vine. It's very Machiavellian. It's not very collegial.

Very dramatic... love it! I think your points are absolutely true. Anybody think that if the ACC had it to do over again, they would have added Rutgers and UConn a few years ago, beefed up their contracts, and prevented Maryland from ever leaving? The climate was ripe a few years ago, too. Both Rutgers and UConn were doing well in football. That would have completely locked up the coast and the Northeast for them.

The idea of a 24-team conference, comprised of national "superpowers", seems impossible right now.

Even so, the idea that 95% (or more) of the relevant bowl games, and of the meaningful opportunities to compete for and win a national championship, could be limited to the members of just five (!) conferences would have seemed equally impossible in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and even in the early/mid 1990s. The transformation of college football into NFL-Lite is an ongoing process, and nobody should assume that process is finished yet.

Either until the B12 or ACC GoR are up (and it could be either because they could extend the GoR at any time) or if Maryland doesn't pull out of the ACC.

I think a big factor will be if there are any rumblings within 14 team leagues in terms of divisions. scheduling and rivalries. If there are, and the financial benefits ( I. E. per team revenue) aren't great with a larger size, I could see leagues hesitate to get even bigger and potentially lose even more traditional rivalries.

(06-17-2013 09:51 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  You know what I'd pay money to watch? An uncensored documentary where everyone absolutely had to agree to interviews and tell the truth about this UConn situation. I want to hear from Boston College, Swofford, and Delany. They all have to be in the same room with UConn. Round table style.

What are you worried about UConn for? Usually bluebellies could care less about the truth, it's all about winning in the bluegrass state, anyway you can !!

(06-17-2013 10:27 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 09:51 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  You know what I'd pay money to watch? An uncensored documentary where everyone absolutely had to agree to interviews and tell the truth about this UConn situation. I want to hear from Boston College, Swofford, and Delany. They all have to be in the same room with UConn. Round table style.

It's simple. UConn was not much different than UMass or the University of New Hampshire until Jim Calhoun arrived in 1986. UConn was late arriving to big time college athletics ... but once at the party, UConn made a big impact.

The nouveau riche Huskies infuriated the old eastern schools like BC, Syracuse, and Pitt. Those schools lie awake at night, in fear of UConn's potential as a land-grant state school with:

1) solid fan support,
2) an administration committed to success, and
3) nearly unlimited assets provided by the good people of Connecticut (another $2 billion was announced last week).

The old guard schools see realignment as a tool to cut UConn out of the picture, hoping that UConn will eventually die on the vine. It's very Machiavellian. It's not very collegial.

You're paranoid. UConn was just becoming FCS during the first raid. They still haven't done anything in football. BC is still mad because UConn led the lawsuit against them last time and the AG is now a Senator, using that lawsuit for political purposes. It has nothing to do with keeping UConn down. Its not very collegial to sue.

Now if not for Bridgewater, UConn might have gotten that spot instead of UL in spite of the lawsuit.

(06-17-2013 09:45 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 09:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 09:16 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 06:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 04:43 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  WVU gets a bye into the championship game, right?

Who said anything about WVU - besides you?

I'm getting tired of all the abuse thrown at WVU because people are tired of hearing the expansion nonsense of a couple of WVU fans. Throw the abuse at the people that deserve it, and don't dump on the entire fanbase. It's not going to win you any friends, or influence anyone...

This goes to everyone here. I'm fed up with it. I'm a WVU fan, and I've never dumped on any school, or spread expansion rumors, and I take exception to all the abuse thrown at WVU because you don't like The Dude. I don't care for him myself, and wish he'd shut the hell up...

I don't care for everyone throwing WVU under the bus because they don't like him either, and I'm not going to stand for it any longer...

So cut it out...

Bit, every single WVU joke is directed right at The Dude, not WVU itself. Jump over to the SEC Board sometime... we are trying to figure out how to get WVU in the SEC at least once a week. I think we have about a dozen scenarios where WVU is in next time around.

I'd love to see WVU in the SEC. I figure WVU would be in the same division as Tennessee, which would mean I'd get to see the Mountaineers play close to home every other year. WVU almost made it for #12 (lost out to USC, and then again for #14 (lost out to Mizzou). I thought the SEC made a mistake both times. But if it happens, it won't be for a decade or so. The GoR prevents that at present...

I hear you, but it's hard to argue against Arkansas, South Carolina, TAMU, or Mizzou. If UVA had gone to the B1G as rumored and the SEC landed Va. Tech, a pod with UK, UT, WVU, and Va. Tech would have been stellar. If you map out the actual campus locations, it is perfect for rivalries. Maybe someday. I'm still dreaming of UNC, Duke, NCSU, UVA, Va. Tech, WVU, FSU, Clemson, Ga. Tech, and Louisville. Lock the gate at 24, throw away the key, just play each other for all regular seasons in every sport, play other conferences only in bowl games and playoffs. Maybe when I find that genie in a bottle...

At the time USC was admitted, they weren't any better than WVU in football, and both had similar attendance figures as well. It wasn't until Spurrier arrived on the scene that the Gamecocks improved and interest picked up. WVU would have done at least as well in the same time frame, and Rodriguez might still be in Morgantown if WVU was in the SEC. With WVU playing football at the highest level, the facilities would be bigger and better, and Michigan probably wouldn't have been able to pull him away...

I figure WVU football would have done better than Mizzou last year in the SEC. Our defense may have sucked, but the Mountaineers would have outscored more folks than the Tigers did...

WVU-Kentucky would be one of the SEC's best basketball rivalries too. Huggins and Cal have a lot of history together...

However, that's all might have been. Today, it is what it is...

Vewb1.... huh? Where did that come from? Said I'm curious, not worried. Chill out a bit.

Bit, the USC add was as much about geography as anything. Going up the Atlantic coast made a ton of sense from a strategic standpoint, especially with the states of NC and VA in their long term sights. Ideally, eastern expansion would be USC, UNC, UVA, WVU (I know, ACC fans, UNC and UVA aren't going anywhere soon or maybe ever. Notice I said "ideally" from the SEC's viewpoint). There would have been a lot of interest in Maryland, too, but that ship has sailed. Including the Arkansas add and not including the recent TAMU and Mizzou adds, that would have been 16 teams and a sweep of every flagship state school in the region.

(06-18-2013 09:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 09:45 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 09:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 09:16 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 06:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Who said anything about WVU - besides you?

I'm getting tired of all the abuse thrown at WVU because people are tired of hearing the expansion nonsense of a couple of WVU fans. Throw the abuse at the people that deserve it, and don't dump on the entire fanbase. It's not going to win you any friends, or influence anyone...

This goes to everyone here. I'm fed up with it. I'm a WVU fan, and I've never dumped on any school, or spread expansion rumors, and I take exception to all the abuse thrown at WVU because you don't like The Dude. I don't care for him myself, and wish he'd shut the hell up...

I don't care for everyone throwing WVU under the bus because they don't like him either, and I'm not going to stand for it any longer...

So cut it out...

Bit, every single WVU joke is directed right at The Dude, not WVU itself. Jump over to the SEC Board sometime... we are trying to figure out how to get WVU in the SEC at least once a week. I think we have about a dozen scenarios where WVU is in next time around.

I'd love to see WVU in the SEC. I figure WVU would be in the same division as Tennessee, which would mean I'd get to see the Mountaineers play close to home every other year. WVU almost made it for #12 (lost out to USC, and then again for #14 (lost out to Mizzou). I thought the SEC made a mistake both times. But if it happens, it won't be for a decade or so. The GoR prevents that at present...

I hear you, but it's hard to argue against Arkansas, South Carolina, TAMU, or Mizzou. If UVA had gone to the B1G as rumored and the SEC landed Va. Tech, a pod with UK, UT, WVU, and Va. Tech would have been stellar. If you map out the actual campus locations, it is perfect for rivalries. Maybe someday. I'm still dreaming of UNC, Duke, NCSU, UVA, Va. Tech, WVU, FSU, Clemson, Ga. Tech, and Louisville. Lock the gate at 24, throw away the key, just play each other for all regular seasons in every sport, play other conferences only in bowl games and playoffs. Maybe when I find that genie in a bottle...

At the time USC was admitted, they weren't any better than WVU in football, and both had similar attendance figures as well. It wasn't until Spurrier arrived on the scene that the Gamecocks improved and interest picked up. WVU would have done at least as well in the same time frame, and Rodriguez might still be in Morgantown if WVU was in the SEC. With WVU playing football at the highest level, the facilities would be bigger and better, and Michigan probably wouldn't have been able to pull him away...

I figure WVU football would have done better than Mizzou last year in the SEC. Our defense may have sucked, but the Mountaineers would have outscored more folks than the Tigers did...

WVU-Kentucky would be one of the SEC's best basketball rivalries too. Huggins and Cal have a lot of history together...

However, that's all might have been. Today, it is what it is...

I would think that in 1992 the quality that distinguished South Carolina over West Virginia was distance of travel. The SEC footprint remained fairly compact with the additions of Arkansas and South Carolina. It would have been even more compact if Florida State had joined. Now that conferences are extending their perimeters I would think WVU would no longer suffer from the distance issue, especially with the pod system in mind.

I still wonder why the acc didn't jump to 12 in 1992. They had 8 at the time and only offered FSU to get to 9 while the sec went from 10 to 12 and the big 10 added psu. THe acc could have offered Scar and Miami to jump to 11 with probably syracuse getting spot 12 and go with this setup:

Syracuse
Maryland
UVA
UNC
DUKE
FSU

Nc State
Wake
Clemson
Scar
GTECH
Miami

THe sec would have added Arkansas and WVU, va tech was a nobody at the time. The big 12 would have still happened but the big east football might not have even started. I guess they might have looked at cincy, lville and ecu to go with bc, temple, pitt and va tech.

(06-18-2013 10:42 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I still wonder why the acc didn't jump to 12 in 1992. They had 8 at the time and only offered FSU to get to 9 while the sec went from 10 to 12 and the big 10 added psu. THe acc could have offered Scar and Miami to jump to 11 with probably syracuse getting spot 12 and go with this setup:

Syracuse
Maryland
UVA
UNC
DUKE
FSU

Nc State
Wake
Clemson
Scar
GTECH
Miami

THe sec would have added Arkansas and WVU, va tech was a nobody at the time. The big 12 would have still happened but the big east football might not have even started. I guess they might have looked at cincy, lville and ecu to go with bc, temple, pitt and va tech.

because UNC, Duke, UVA etc wanted to keep round robin play in BBall & only might have only invited Miami(to get to 10) if the rules for football championships were changed

(06-17-2013 09:22 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(06-17-2013 09:08 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  IMO Oklahoma and Kansas to the B1G will be the next move and it will probably happen a couple years before the GOR expiration date.

I'd be curious to hear from OU and KU people who would know if OU and KU have a little brother problem when it comes to realignment. People have always speculated since this whole deal started several years ago, but is the climate still the same in those states? If either OSU or KSU can't land in a P5, are OU and KU stuck? If so, OU, OSU, KU, and KSU all to the PAC is not horrible if it came down to it.

I think that the KU/KSU tie is significant, but not irrevocable. I don't think that KU would have the freedom to strike out on their own just to seek greener pastures (such as the KU/UConn to B1G speculation) if the Big 12 essentially remains intact. (And if it does, I think we'd be likely to stay in any case).

However, if it all really hits the fan and there's a real danger that both KU and KSU would be left out of major conferences, and KU has an invitation but KSU does not, I think that KU would be allowed to take that invitation. I suspect that there would mandated games and perhaps other concessions, but in the end I think that one school in a major conference would be seen as better than none.