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ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
Bretty McMurphy tweets that Little Rock, Ark will be going for certification of a new bowl pitting the host SunBelt vs. the MAC, starting in 2014.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...7523507201
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
Location sucks for the MAC.
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
(06-14-2013 01:34 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Location sucks for the MAC.

Not really...it is an easy one day drive for most western MAC teams.
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
Word was that the bowl organizers originally wanted a C-USA-Sunbelt match-up, but C-USA apparently was not interested and the MAC commish zoomed into Little Rock in the past week to get the deal done. Nice pick-up for the MAC.
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
there is no such thing as a good location for the MAC. the MAC is in the Rustbelt, not a primo destination in December.

Both conferences needed another primary bowl, this is a win/win.
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
(06-14-2013 10:45 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Bretty McMurphy tweets that Little Rock, Ark will be going for certification of a new bowl pitting the host SunBelt vs. the MAC, starting in 2014.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...7523507201


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If approved, "Rice Bowl" in Little Rock, Ark., will pit MAC vs. Sun Belt starting in 2014. Would be 36th bowl


So sounds like this is not a replacement but would grow the total number of bowls to 36. Good for the SB and MAC but overall this is about 4 more bowls than the FBS should have. Limit should be set at 32 bowls total, which would limit bowls to less than 50% of the total number of FBS teams.
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
(06-14-2013 02:03 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Word was that the bowl organizers originally wanted a C-USA-Sunbelt match-up, but C-USA apparently was not interested and the MAC commish zoomed into Little Rock in the past week to get the deal done. Nice pick-up for the MAC.

Yupp. C-USA and AAC are more interested in the proposed Ft Lauderdale/Boca wherever Bowl.
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
(06-14-2013 02:35 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(06-14-2013 10:45 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Bretty McMurphy tweets that Little Rock, Ark will be going for certification of a new bowl pitting the host SunBelt vs. the MAC, starting in 2014.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...7523507201


Brett McMurphyVerified account‏@McMurphyESPN
If approved, "Rice Bowl" in Little Rock, Ark., will pit MAC vs. Sun Belt starting in 2014. Would be 36th bowl


So sounds like this is not a replacement but would grow the total number of bowls to 36. Good for the SB and MAC but overall this is about 4 more bowls than the FBS should have. Limit should be set at 32 bowls total, which would limit bowls to less than 50% of the total number of FBS teams.

Well, the MAC has lost the Little Caesars bowl in Detroit. With this new bowl, the MAC will still be at 3 bowl tie-ins. The Big 14 on the other hand, just added a new bowl in Detroit (vs. ACC I think), which will be an additional bowl for the Big 14. Just 2 years ago an 8-4 MAC team sat home. That would never happen to the Big 14 as they will already have 6-6 teams playing in bowls. So if you're going to disallow a bowl, their new Detroit bowl would be the one.
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(06-14-2013 02:18 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  there is no such thing as a good location for the MAC. the MAC is in the Rustbelt, not a primo destination in December.

Both conferences needed another primary bowl, this is a win/win.

Indy or St. Louis would be good but so far nobody has shown interest in starting a bowl there.
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
(06-14-2013 02:35 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(06-14-2013 10:45 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Bretty McMurphy tweets that Little Rock, Ark will be going for certification of a new bowl pitting the host SunBelt vs. the MAC, starting in 2014.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...7523507201


Brett McMurphyVerified account‏@McMurphyESPN
If approved, "Rice Bowl" in Little Rock, Ark., will pit MAC vs. Sun Belt starting in 2014. Would be 36th bowl


So sounds like this is not a replacement but would grow the total number of bowls to 36. Good for the SB and MAC but overall this is about 4 more bowls than the FBS should have. Limit should be set at 32 bowls total, which would limit bowls to less than 50% of the total number of FBS teams.

Problem with that is either you shut out P5 teams (ie. limit SEC/B1G to 6-7 bowl teams) or you shut out 2nd place SB/MAC/C-USA teams.

SunBelt had an 8 win MTSU team sit home last year.
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
if you want less bowls you don't take them away from a conference like the MAC that has 13 teams and only 3 primary bowl tie ins. You take them away from conferences like the ACC that has 9 bowl spots for 12 teams, and still successfully petitions the NCAA to allow a 6-7 team to play in a bowl.

A P5 team can play an FCS team and 3 buy out games at home, go 2-6 in conference vs their peers, and get a bowl game while an 8-5 team from a "lesser" conference gets stuck at home.

change the rule so P5 teams can't count wins over FCS teams and change the threshold to 7 wins instead of 6. Boom, less bowl games. And no more 6-7 Georgia Tech playing while 9-4 LaTech sits at home.
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Arkansas-Little Rock AD on the Little Rock Bowl.
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(06-14-2013 03:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  if you want less bowls you don't take them away from a conference like the MAC that has 13 teams and only 3 primary bowl tie ins. You take them away from conferences like the ACC that has 9 bowl spots for 12 teams, and still successfully petitions the NCAA to allow a 6-7 team to play in a bowl.

A P5 team can play an FCS team and 3 buy out games at home, go 2-6 in conference vs their peers, and get a bowl game while an 8-5 team from a "lesser" conference gets stuck at home.

change the rule so P5 teams can't count wins over FCS teams and change the threshold to 7 wins instead of 6. Boom, less bowl games. And no more 6-7 Georgia Tech playing while 9-4 LaTech sits at home.

I agree, make the threshold 7 wins and the problem goes away.
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RE: ESPN reports proposed new bowl will be SB vs MAC.
(06-14-2013 03:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  if you want less bowls you don't take them away from a conference like the MAC that has 13 teams and only 3 primary bowl tie ins. You take them away from conferences like the ACC that has 9 bowl spots for 12 teams, and still successfully petitions the NCAA to allow a 6-7 team to play in a bowl.

A P5 team can play an FCS team and 3 buy out games at home, go 2-6 in conference vs their peers, and get a bowl game while an 8-5 team from a "lesser" conference gets stuck at home.

change the rule so P5 teams can't count wins over FCS teams and change the threshold to 7 wins instead of 6. Boom, less bowl games. And no more 6-7 Georgia Tech playing while 9-4 LaTech sits at home.

That's not what the bowl marketplace wants at all, which is what ultimately matters.
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(06-14-2013 02:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-14-2013 02:18 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  there is no such thing as a good location for the MAC. the MAC is in the Rustbelt, not a primo destination in December.

Both conferences needed another primary bowl, this is a win/win.

Indy or St. Louis would be good but so far nobody has shown interest in starting a bowl there.

St. Louis had interest in partnering with the SEC in a bowl but what has happened is the P5 leagues have collectively decided there is less risk in partnering with existing bowl games than starting new ones.
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I don't care if they add 10 new bowls. I only will watch the ones I wish to watch. What do I care that ESPN 2 has a pre Christmas bowl game on that I will be sleeping through.
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I think Little Rock will be a good place for this Bowl Game. The city will probably get behind it (and opportunity to "show off" a place that really, no offense, isn't on most people's radars). Good location for the western Sun Belt schools. And it's really not that far away from MAC-land.

Would be nice for the Bowl to get an afternoon start if possible. Little Rock's December climate = Charlotte's December climate. I was in Charlotte for last year's Belk Bowl --- it was an absolutely delightful (low 50s and sunny) afternoon, but wow did it get cold quick once the sun went down. Mid-tier Bowls like Little Rock, Music City, Charlotte, Independence are best for attendance I think with an afternoon start, though of course ESPN often dictates otherwise.
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(06-14-2013 02:35 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(06-14-2013 10:45 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Bretty McMurphy tweets that Little Rock, Ark will be going for certification of a new bowl pitting the host SunBelt vs. the MAC, starting in 2014.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...7523507201


Brett McMurphyVerified account‏@McMurphyESPN
If approved, "Rice Bowl" in Little Rock, Ark., will pit MAC vs. Sun Belt starting in 2014. Would be 36th bowl


So sounds like this is not a replacement but would grow the total number of bowls to 36. Good for the SB and MAC but overall this is about 4 more bowls than the FBS should have. Limit should be set at 32 bowls total, which would limit bowls to less than 50% of the total number of FBS teams.

The the Big Ten, SEC, ACC etc should all drop a few bowls. Does a 14 member conference really deserve 10 bowls? No. No 6-6 teams and definitely no 6-7 teams deserve to go bowling. Dont blame the CUSA, AAC, MAC, etc.
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(06-14-2013 03:36 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(06-14-2013 03:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  if you want less bowls you don't take them away from a conference like the MAC that has 13 teams and only 3 primary bowl tie ins. You take them away from conferences like the ACC that has 9 bowl spots for 12 teams, and still successfully petitions the NCAA to allow a 6-7 team to play in a bowl.

A P5 team can play an FCS team and 3 buy out games at home, go 2-6 in conference vs their peers, and get a bowl game while an 8-5 team from a "lesser" conference gets stuck at home.

change the rule so P5 teams can't count wins over FCS teams and change the threshold to 7 wins instead of 6. Boom, less bowl games. And no more 6-7 Georgia Tech playing while 9-4 LaTech sits at home.

That's not what the bowl marketplace wants at all, which is what ultimately matters.

Its real easy to pull up the bowl TV ratings and see that several Go5 bowls had better ratings then some crap 6-6 Illinois-type bowl. So, yeah, you are right, those bowls should be dropped.
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(06-14-2013 09:23 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(06-14-2013 03:36 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(06-14-2013 03:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  if you want less bowls you don't take them away from a conference like the MAC that has 13 teams and only 3 primary bowl tie ins. You take them away from conferences like the ACC that has 9 bowl spots for 12 teams, and still successfully petitions the NCAA to allow a 6-7 team to play in a bowl.

A P5 team can play an FCS team and 3 buy out games at home, go 2-6 in conference vs their peers, and get a bowl game while an 8-5 team from a "lesser" conference gets stuck at home.

change the rule so P5 teams can't count wins over FCS teams and change the threshold to 7 wins instead of 6. Boom, less bowl games. And no more 6-7 Georgia Tech playing while 9-4 LaTech sits at home.

That's not what the bowl marketplace wants at all, which is what ultimately matters.

Its real easy to pull up the bowl TV ratings and see that several Go5 bowls had better ratings then some crap 6-6 Illinois-type bowl. So, yeah, you are right, those bowls should be dropped.

Logic is often thrown out the window in college football.

A logical postseason structure would have an automatic bid for every conference and not just 1/2 of them with the other 1/2 splitting 1 bid.
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