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(06-20-2013 01:32 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  These overseas bowls and island bowls never pan out. School's don't travel heavily to them, and just like the pitiful bowl games in Hawaii, the locals could care less. Most average income fans are busy preparing for the holidays and are spent out.

Not exactly a great sample size unless you count Hawaii.

Since WWII the four editions of the International Bowl are the only foreign games played. One drew well. One drew OK. The other two didn't do well at the gate.
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(06-20-2013 01:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What exactly makes them garbage bowls? If the #1 MAC and #1 Sun Belt play in Mobile, is it still a garbage bowl because the payout isn't high? (Or maybe because of the name...)

They are garbage bowls by definition---they are the bowls no power conference wanted anything to do with. Plus the pay outs will be pathetic. That said, a couple will at least have conference champs and will be decent games. in fact, Ive already said I hope we schedule bowls vs the MAC champ in Florida and the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans. Unfortunately, while a couple of the games will be interesting due to the presence of a conference champion, the vast majority of G-5 bowls will involve no champ. The majority of G5 bowls will be one non-AQ also-ran vs another non-AQ also-ran---not exactly the Rose Bowl.

I have a problem with that definition. In fact a 6-6 Purdue or Northwestern team wouldn't want anything to do with it, simply because they'd have to play a non-AQ school. But I'd much rather see a 10-2 Fresno or Boise or Cincinnati play a bowl game than a 6-6 Big 14 team no matter what bowl it is. And the payouts are small because they don't force the schools to lose $1 million on tickets, hotels, etc. Using payouts as a measure of prestige is what the bowls want you to do. It doesn't make sense though.
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(06-20-2013 08:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 05:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 01:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What exactly makes them garbage bowls? If the #1 MAC and #1 Sun Belt play in Mobile, is it still a garbage bowl because the payout isn't high? (Or maybe because of the name...)

They are garbage bowls by definition---they are the bowls no power conference wanted anything to do with. Plus the pay outs will be pathetic. That said, a couple will at least have conference champs and will be decent games. in fact, Ive already said I hope we schedule bowls vs the MAC champ in Florida and the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans. Unfortunately, while a couple of the games will be interesting due to the presence of a conference champion, the vast majority of G-5 bowls will involve no champ. The majority of G5 bowls will be one non-AQ also-ran vs another non-AQ also-ran---not exactly the Rose Bowl.

I have a problem with that definition. In fact a 6-6 Purdue or Northwestern team wouldn't want anything to do with it, simply because they'd have to play a non-AQ school. But I'd much rather see a 10-2 Fresno or Boise or Cincinnati play a bowl game than a 6-6 Big 14 team no matter what bowl it is. And the payouts are small because they don't force the schools to lose $1 million on tickets, hotels, etc. Using payouts as a measure of prestige is what the bowls want you to do. It doesn't make sense though.

Well yes the if the comparison is 10-2 Boise, Fresno, or Cincy vs playing a 6-6 Purdue then sure I'd rather play the non-AQ team. Any of those teams at 10-2 are going to be ranked. However if you are just talking about insert MAC/Sun-Belt/C-USA unranked non conference champion it's just not super exciting. Depending on who it was and where they were located it might be a game I would be more excited about than a P5 team, like I'd be more jacked up about an ODU/Charlotte/App bowl match up than a 6-6 Purdue team, but I'd be more excited (albeit not that much) about that same Purdue team than playing pretty much any MAC team that wasn't ranked.
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(06-20-2013 08:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 05:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 01:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What exactly makes them garbage bowls? If the #1 MAC and #1 Sun Belt play in Mobile, is it still a garbage bowl because the payout isn't high? (Or maybe because of the name...)

They are garbage bowls by definition---they are the bowls no power conference wanted anything to do with. Plus the pay outs will be pathetic. That said, a couple will at least have conference champs and will be decent games. in fact, Ive already said I hope we schedule bowls vs the MAC champ in Florida and the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans. Unfortunately, while a couple of the games will be interesting due to the presence of a conference champion, the vast majority of G-5 bowls will involve no champ. The majority of G5 bowls will be one non-AQ also-ran vs another non-AQ also-ran---not exactly the Rose Bowl.

I have a problem with that definition. In fact a 6-6 Purdue or Northwestern team wouldn't want anything to do with it, simply because they'd have to play a non-AQ school. But I'd much rather see a 10-2 Fresno or Boise or Cincinnati play a bowl game than a 6-6 Big 14 team no matter what bowl it is. And the payouts are small because they don't force the schools to lose $1 million on tickets, hotels, etc. Using payouts as a measure of prestige is what the bowls want you to do. It doesn't make sense though.

These bottom bowls do require ticket allotments and have room occupancy requirements just like the bigger bowls. Not only that, sometimes the payout isn't even real. One year the participating schools were given a large portion of the Detroit Bowl payout in tickets--tickets that were likely never going to be sold. Also, keep in mind, most of these bottom bowls will not feature conference champs or schools with 10-2 records. Most schools in these bowls will not be ranked, not be champions, and be far more likely to be 7-5/6-6 than 10-2. Plus, I frankly think its boring as hell that every bowl game we are likely to play in will be against schools from just 4 other conferences. Hopefully, the p5 fans wil find it boring as well after a while.
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(06-21-2013 08:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 08:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 05:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 01:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What exactly makes them garbage bowls? If the #1 MAC and #1 Sun Belt play in Mobile, is it still a garbage bowl because the payout isn't high? (Or maybe because of the name...)

They are garbage bowls by definition---they are the bowls no power conference wanted anything to do with. Plus the pay outs will be pathetic. That said, a couple will at least have conference champs and will be decent games. in fact, Ive already said I hope we schedule bowls vs the MAC champ in Florida and the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans. Unfortunately, while a couple of the games will be interesting due to the presence of a conference champion, the vast majority of G-5 bowls will involve no champ. The majority of G5 bowls will be one non-AQ also-ran vs another non-AQ also-ran---not exactly the Rose Bowl.

I have a problem with that definition. In fact a 6-6 Purdue or Northwestern team wouldn't want anything to do with it, simply because they'd have to play a non-AQ school. But I'd much rather see a 10-2 Fresno or Boise or Cincinnati play a bowl game than a 6-6 Big 14 team no matter what bowl it is. And the payouts are small because they don't force the schools to lose $1 million on tickets, hotels, etc. Using payouts as a measure of prestige is what the bowls want you to do. It doesn't make sense though.

These bottom bowls do require ticket allotments and have room occupancy requirements just like the bigger bowls. Not only that, sometimes the payout isn't even real. One year the participating schools were given a large portion of the Detroit Bowl payout in tickets--tickets that were likely never going to be sold. Also, keep in mind, most of these bottom bowls will not feature conference champs or schools with 10-2 records. Most schools in these bowls will not be ranked, not be champions, and be far more likely to be 7-5/6-6 than 10-2. Plus, I frankly think its boring as hell that every bowl game we are likely to play in will be against schools from just 4 other conferences. Hopefully, the p5 fans wil find it boring as well after a while.

Pretty sure the bowl game in Boise didn't have ticket requirements when NIU played there, which is why NIU actually came out ahead a little despite the expense of travelling there. I agree that playing all your bowl games against only 4 other conferences is relatively boring.

I didn't know that about the Detroit bowl though, that might be why no one wanted to play us in Detroit going forward. If true, that would be understandable.

A lot of these bottom bowls DO feature teams with 10-2 records. If NIU hadn't been in the Orange Bowl last year, they would have been in one of those bottom bowls. The previous 2 years we were 11-3 but also would have been in one of those bowls. Granted, we're not 10-2 in a P5 conference, but still. The top Sun Belt team also goes to one of those bottom bowls.
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I'd love to go to a bowl game in Nassau but for people who don't keep passports it could be a problem.
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(06-21-2013 09:59 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-21-2013 08:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 08:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 05:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 01:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What exactly makes them garbage bowls? If the #1 MAC and #1 Sun Belt play in Mobile, is it still a garbage bowl because the payout isn't high? (Or maybe because of the name...)

They are garbage bowls by definition---they are the bowls no power conference wanted anything to do with. Plus the pay outs will be pathetic. That said, a couple will at least have conference champs and will be decent games. in fact, Ive already said I hope we schedule bowls vs the MAC champ in Florida and the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans. Unfortunately, while a couple of the games will be interesting due to the presence of a conference champion, the vast majority of G-5 bowls will involve no champ. The majority of G5 bowls will be one non-AQ also-ran vs another non-AQ also-ran---not exactly the Rose Bowl.

I have a problem with that definition. In fact a 6-6 Purdue or Northwestern team wouldn't want anything to do with it, simply because they'd have to play a non-AQ school. But I'd much rather see a 10-2 Fresno or Boise or Cincinnati play a bowl game than a 6-6 Big 14 team no matter what bowl it is. And the payouts are small because they don't force the schools to lose $1 million on tickets, hotels, etc. Using payouts as a measure of prestige is what the bowls want you to do. It doesn't make sense though.

These bottom bowls do require ticket allotments and have room occupancy requirements just like the bigger bowls. Not only that, sometimes the payout isn't even real. One year the participating schools were given a large portion of the Detroit Bowl payout in tickets--tickets that were likely never going to be sold. Also, keep in mind, most of these bottom bowls will not feature conference champs or schools with 10-2 records. Most schools in these bowls will not be ranked, not be champions, and be far more likely to be 7-5/6-6 than 10-2. Plus, I frankly think its boring as hell that every bowl game we are likely to play in will be against schools from just 4 other conferences. Hopefully, the p5 fans wil find it boring as well after a while.

Pretty sure the bowl game in Boise didn't have ticket requirements when NIU played there, which is why NIU actually came out ahead a little despite the expense of travelling there. I agree that playing all your bowl games against only 4 other conferences is relatively boring.

I didn't know that about the Detroit bowl though, that might be why no one wanted to play us in Detroit going forward. If true, that would be understandable.

A lot of these bottom bowls DO feature teams with 10-2 records. If NIU hadn't been in the Orange Bowl last year, they would have been in one of those bottom bowls. The previous 2 years we were 11-3 but also would have been in one of those bowls. Granted, we're not 10-2 in a P5 conference, but still. The top Sun Belt team also goes to one of those bottom bowls.

Like I've said before, I'm hoping the AAC locks up the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans and the MAC champ in the Aresco Bowl in Florida. I'm still hoping our #1 will play the Big-12 in the Liberty, but I'm not very optimistic.
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(06-21-2013 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-21-2013 09:59 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-21-2013 08:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 08:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 05:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  They are garbage bowls by definition---they are the bowls no power conference wanted anything to do with. Plus the pay outs will be pathetic. That said, a couple will at least have conference champs and will be decent games. in fact, Ive already said I hope we schedule bowls vs the MAC champ in Florida and the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans. Unfortunately, while a couple of the games will be interesting due to the presence of a conference champion, the vast majority of G-5 bowls will involve no champ. The majority of G5 bowls will be one non-AQ also-ran vs another non-AQ also-ran---not exactly the Rose Bowl.

I have a problem with that definition. In fact a 6-6 Purdue or Northwestern team wouldn't want anything to do with it, simply because they'd have to play a non-AQ school. But I'd much rather see a 10-2 Fresno or Boise or Cincinnati play a bowl game than a 6-6 Big 14 team no matter what bowl it is. And the payouts are small because they don't force the schools to lose $1 million on tickets, hotels, etc. Using payouts as a measure of prestige is what the bowls want you to do. It doesn't make sense though.

These bottom bowls do require ticket allotments and have room occupancy requirements just like the bigger bowls. Not only that, sometimes the payout isn't even real. One year the participating schools were given a large portion of the Detroit Bowl payout in tickets--tickets that were likely never going to be sold. Also, keep in mind, most of these bottom bowls will not feature conference champs or schools with 10-2 records. Most schools in these bowls will not be ranked, not be champions, and be far more likely to be 7-5/6-6 than 10-2. Plus, I frankly think its boring as hell that every bowl game we are likely to play in will be against schools from just 4 other conferences. Hopefully, the p5 fans wil find it boring as well after a while.

Pretty sure the bowl game in Boise didn't have ticket requirements when NIU played there, which is why NIU actually came out ahead a little despite the expense of travelling there. I agree that playing all your bowl games against only 4 other conferences is relatively boring.

I didn't know that about the Detroit bowl though, that might be why no one wanted to play us in Detroit going forward. If true, that would be understandable.

A lot of these bottom bowls DO feature teams with 10-2 records. If NIU hadn't been in the Orange Bowl last year, they would have been in one of those bottom bowls. The previous 2 years we were 11-3 but also would have been in one of those bowls. Granted, we're not 10-2 in a P5 conference, but still. The top Sun Belt team also goes to one of those bottom bowls.

Like I've said before, I'm hoping the AAC locks up the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans and the MAC champ in the Aresco Bowl in Florida. I'm still hoping our #1 will play the Big-12 in the Liberty, but I'm not very optimistic.

The MAC has 2 tie-ins left, Mobile and Boise, now that Detroit is gone, not counting the proposed new bowl in Little Rock. One of those bowls has been getting the #1 MAC team so I'm not sure how that would work with new bowls being added. The GoDaddy Bowl might be considered a "garbage" bowl but that community does support the bowl from all accounts. I'd rather have one relatively nearby that I could drive to since we have 0 other bowls in the Midwest.

I spent a whole bunch last year going to the Orange Bowl that I hadn't really planned on, and spending a whole bunch more for a bowl that's constantly being denigrated as a junk bowl by others is not enticing. We need to get a bowl in Indianapolis or St. Louis or something. Why should we always have to fly somewhere for a bowl game? Sorry, I'm done ranting now.
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(06-21-2013 03:54 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-21-2013 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-21-2013 09:59 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-21-2013 08:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2013 08:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I have a problem with that definition. In fact a 6-6 Purdue or Northwestern team wouldn't want anything to do with it, simply because they'd have to play a non-AQ school. But I'd much rather see a 10-2 Fresno or Boise or Cincinnati play a bowl game than a 6-6 Big 14 team no matter what bowl it is. And the payouts are small because they don't force the schools to lose $1 million on tickets, hotels, etc. Using payouts as a measure of prestige is what the bowls want you to do. It doesn't make sense though.

These bottom bowls do require ticket allotments and have room occupancy requirements just like the bigger bowls. Not only that, sometimes the payout isn't even real. One year the participating schools were given a large portion of the Detroit Bowl payout in tickets--tickets that were likely never going to be sold. Also, keep in mind, most of these bottom bowls will not feature conference champs or schools with 10-2 records. Most schools in these bowls will not be ranked, not be champions, and be far more likely to be 7-5/6-6 than 10-2. Plus, I frankly think its boring as hell that every bowl game we are likely to play in will be against schools from just 4 other conferences. Hopefully, the p5 fans wil find it boring as well after a while.

Pretty sure the bowl game in Boise didn't have ticket requirements when NIU played there, which is why NIU actually came out ahead a little despite the expense of travelling there. I agree that playing all your bowl games against only 4 other conferences is relatively boring.

I didn't know that about the Detroit bowl though, that might be why no one wanted to play us in Detroit going forward. If true, that would be understandable.

A lot of these bottom bowls DO feature teams with 10-2 records. If NIU hadn't been in the Orange Bowl last year, they would have been in one of those bottom bowls. The previous 2 years we were 11-3 but also would have been in one of those bowls. Granted, we're not 10-2 in a P5 conference, but still. The top Sun Belt team also goes to one of those bottom bowls.

Like I've said before, I'm hoping the AAC locks up the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans and the MAC champ in the Aresco Bowl in Florida. I'm still hoping our #1 will play the Big-12 in the Liberty, but I'm not very optimistic.

The MAC has 2 tie-ins left, Mobile and Boise, now that Detroit is gone, not counting the proposed new bowl in Little Rock. One of those bowls has been getting the #1 MAC team so I'm not sure how that would work with new bowls being added. The GoDaddy Bowl might be considered a "garbage" bowl but that community does support the bowl from all accounts. I'd rather have one relatively nearby that I could drive to since we have 0 other bowls in the Midwest.

I spent a whole bunch last year going to the Orange Bowl that I hadn't really planned on, and spending a whole bunch more for a bowl that's constantly being denigrated as a junk bowl by others is not enticing. We need to get a bowl in Indianapolis or St. Louis or something. Why should we always have to fly somewhere for a bowl game? Sorry, I'm done ranting now.

It's a geography issue for the MAC. Bowls are a warm weather business and the MAC footprint can be a little bitter in December. For all it's power and strength, the B1G, which shares the MAC footprint, also has to do alot of traveling for most it's bowls too. You're right though, it does kinda suck for MAC fans. At least Little Rock is not as far as Mobile.
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Bowls out of the country really puts a burden on your fan base. I am not for a bowl that I have to leave the country to watch live.
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