http://ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/n...om+success

Rice numbers:
Baseball 970
Football 979
Men's Basketball 980
Men's Cross Country 978
Men's Golf 1000
Men's Tennis 980
Men's Track, Indoor 976
Men's Track, Outdoor 976
Women's Basketball 1000
Women's Cross Country 1000
Women's Soccer 1000
Women's Swimming 1000
Women's Tennis 1000
Women's Track, Indoor 990
Women's Track, Outdoor 990
Women's Volleyball 995

Haven't looked into other numbers but one note is that FIU is postseason ineligible in Men's basketball.

Rice football top 10 nationally: Nwern 996, Boise 993, Duke 989, Clem & Wis 985, GT 983, BC, Mizzou & OhioSt 982, Rice 979, Bama, Rutgers, Stan 978, Miami 977 (From McMurphy tweet)

Several current/past/potential conference mates in the bottom 10: Bottom FBS APRs: NM St 916, UTEP 917, Idaho 919, Troy 921, UL & Tenn 924, OkSt 926, IowaSt 928, Tulsa 929, FIU 930, BYU 931

UT bottom 10 among BCS programs.

I wonder what our M. basketball numbers will look like next year.

(06-11-2013 02:42 PM)07owl Wrote:  Rice football top 10 nationally: Nwern 996, Boise 993, Duke 989, Clem & Wis 985, GT 983, BC, Mizzou & OhioSt 982, Rice 979, Bama, Rutgers, Stan 978, Miami 977 (From McMurphy tweet)

Several current/past/potential conference mates in the bottom 10: Bottom FBS APRs: NM St 916, UTEP 917, Idaho 919, Troy 921, UL & Tenn 924, OkSt 926, IowaSt 928, Tulsa 929, FIU 930, BYU 931

UT bottom 10 among BCS programs.

Ok I've always wanted to ask a question about these numbers. Do these number figure in the fact that many BCS schools have football players leave after their 3rd year to go pro? This doesn't happen much at Rice. If this is the case, I don't see this as a failure of their academics but a greater opportunity for their players to take their shot when it is presented. I can see if the players just drop out or fail out but not because they went pro.

(06-12-2013 12:16 AM)OwlMom15 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 02:42 PM)07owl Wrote:  Rice football top 10 nationally: Nwern 996, Boise 993, Duke 989, Clem & Wis 985, GT 983, BC, Mizzou & OhioSt 982, Rice 979, Bama, Rutgers, Stan 978, Miami 977 (From McMurphy tweet)

Several current/past/potential conference mates in the bottom 10: Bottom FBS APRs: NM St 916, UTEP 917, Idaho 919, Troy 921, UL & Tenn 924, OkSt 926, IowaSt 928, Tulsa 929, FIU 930, BYU 931

UT bottom 10 among BCS programs.

Ok I've always wanted to ask a question about these numbers. Do these number figure in the fact that many BCS schools have football players leave after their 3rd year to go pro? This doesn't happen much at Rice. If this is the case, I don't see this as a failure of their academics but a greater opportunity for their players to take their shot when it is presented. I can see if the players just drop out or fail out but not because they went pro.

Tthe Academic Progress Rate (APR) = (2 x the total number of scholarship student athletes on a team who are in good academic standing) +(1 x the number of scholarship student athletes on a team who are NOT in good academic standing but remain in school) + (0 x the number of scholarship student athletes on a team who are NOT in good academic standing AND leave the school) divided by (2 x the total number of scholarships awarded to the team). For example, if a football team awards the full complement of 85 grants-in-aid, 80 student-athletes remain in school and academically eligible, three remain in school but are academically ineligible and two drop out academically ineligible, the team earns (2x80)+(1x3) +(0x2) = 163 of (2x 85=) 170 possible points for that term. Divide 163 by 170 and multiply by 1,000 to determine that the team’s Academic Progress Rate for that term is 959.

Note that if a player leaves in good academic standing, he is NOT included in any of the groups and thus does not help or hurt the APR. It is only those players still on the team or not in good standing that are included. Thus, in the OwlMom question, if 3 players leave after their 3rd year to go pro, if they leave in good academic standing, they were on the team in good academic standing and count for 2 points during the semester they were on campus, but do not count for or against the next semester after they withdraw to go pro early. Where the schools tend to get hurt is a kid who thinks he is going pro, so he slacks off his last semester and flunks/skips his classes. Then he won't be in good standing when he leaves and counts as a body with 0 points. Bottom line is you have to look at whether they left in good academic standing or not to know whether to count them.

NCAA Honors Seven Rice Sports

(06-12-2013 02:08 AM)RiceDoc Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 12:16 AM)OwlMom15 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 02:42 PM)07owl Wrote:  Rice football top 10 nationally: Nwern 996, Boise 993, Duke 989, Clem & Wis 985, GT 983, BC, Mizzou & OhioSt 982, Rice 979, Bama, Rutgers, Stan 978, Miami 977 (From McMurphy tweet)

Several current/past/potential conference mates in the bottom 10: Bottom FBS APRs: NM St 916, UTEP 917, Idaho 919, Troy 921, UL & Tenn 924, OkSt 926, IowaSt 928, Tulsa 929, FIU 930, BYU 931

UT bottom 10 among BCS programs.

Thanks for the explanation RiceDoc. I always thought not graduating was factored in. I'm glad to hear this. It just makes our numbers that more impressive especially since it is Rice :)
Ok I've always wanted to ask a question about these numbers. Do these number figure in the fact that many BCS schools have football players leave after their 3rd year to go pro? This doesn't happen much at Rice. If this is the case, I don't see this as a failure of their academics but a greater opportunity for their players to take their shot when it is presented. I can see if the players just drop out or fail out but not because they went pro.

Tthe Academic Progress Rate (APR) = (2 x the total number of scholarship student athletes on a team who are in good academic standing) +(1 x the number of scholarship student athletes on a team who are NOT in good academic standing but remain in school) + (0 x the number of scholarship student athletes on a team who are NOT in good academic standing AND leave the school) divided by (2 x the total number of scholarships awarded to the team). For example, if a football team awards the full complement of 85 grants-in-aid, 80 student-athletes remain in school and academically eligible, three remain in school but are academically ineligible and two drop out academically ineligible, the team earns (2x80)+(1x3) +(0x2) = 163 of (2x 85=) 170 possible points for that term. Divide 163 by 170 and multiply by 1,000 to determine that the team’s Academic Progress Rate for that term is 959.

Note that if a player leaves in good academic standing, he is NOT included in any of the groups and thus does not help or hurt the APR. It is only those players still on the team or not in good standing that are included. Thus, in the OwlMom question, if 3 players leave after their 3rd year to go pro, if they leave in good academic standing, they were on the team in good academic standing and count for 2 points during the semester they were on campus, but do not count for or against the next semester after they withdraw to go pro early. Where the schools tend to get hurt is a kid who thinks he is going pro, so he slacks off his last semester and flunks/skips his classes. Then he won't be in good standing when he leaves and counts as a body with 0 points. Bottom line is you have to look at whether they left in good academic standing or not to know whether to count them.

(06-11-2013 04:37 PM)Barrett Wrote:  I wonder what our M. basketball numbers will look like next year.

Looking at RiceDoc's formula, as long as they were in good academic standing, it doesn't seem to matter that there's a revolving door at Tudor Fieldhouse. That would come as a surprise to me because I thought we'd be screwed by all of this.

My formula, by the way, is off the NCAA website. I was surprised that athletes leaving early had no effect as long as they were in good academic standing too. As to I45's comment, it is my understanding (and I have done NO independent checking on it) that all of the basketball players that left were immediately eligible at the schools they transferred to, provided they got a release from Rice (which I think they all did). To be immediately eligible, they would necessarily have to be leaving in good academic standing. Thus, the APR for basketball would NOT take any hit for the transfers.

(06-13-2013 04:28 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  My formula, by the way, is off the NCAA website. I was surprised that athletes leaving early had no effect as long as they were in good academic standing too. As to I45's comment, it is my understanding (and I have done NO independent checking on it) that all of the basketball players that left were immediately eligible at the schools they transferred to, provided they got a release from Rice (which I think they all did). To be immediately eligible, they would necessarily have to be leaving in good academic standing. Thus, the APR for basketball would NOT take any hit for the transfers.

Well, immediately eligible in that they were academically eligible. But with the exception of the two who got hardships, they had to sit out a year.

(06-13-2013 06:53 PM)texd Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 04:28 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  My formula, by the way, is off the NCAA website. I was surprised that athletes leaving early had no effect as long as they were in good academic standing too. As to I45's comment, it is my understanding (and I have done NO independent checking on it) that all of the basketball players that left were immediately eligible at the schools they transferred to, provided they got a release from Rice (which I think they all did). To be immediately eligible, they would necessarily have to be leaving in good academic standing. Thus, the APR for basketball would NOT take any hit for the transfers.

Well, immediately eligible in that they were academically eligible. But with the exception of the two who got hardships, they had to sit out a year.

Good point. I meant eligible in the sense of eligible to be on scholarship and not be a walk-on.

Eligible to play required a hardship and we all know Kazemi and Orabi got a hardship ruling too. I thought a couple others had as well, but it may have been speculation about whether they would apply. The norm would be and do your redshirt year while waiting out the 1 year athletically ineligible transfer rule so you don't lose a competitive season. I was talking about whether they would go in on scholarship immediately or not.