(06-14-2013 09:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 04:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 02:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 11:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Cut the conference ya ya garbage. The issue here is whether Emmert will have the intestinal fortitude to take on one of the conference bell cows. It could have been Alabama, Texas, USC, or Ohio State all of which have committed far worse infractions than those for which they have ever been punished.

An English teacher was dismissed at Alabama two decades ago for protesting similar problems with academics for athletes. A similar situation happened at Georgia. Texas has faced its share of academic arrangements allegations some of which had teeth but "nothing was done" by the NCAA. USC gets hit with furnishing R Bush's parents with amenities but on campus issues were overlooked. Ohio State gets nailed for tattoos but no follow up happened with the allegations of providing coeds and other women for sex. Miami's case has been botched in so many ways so as too lose the most sordid of the allegations in the details. So, do you really think U.N.C. will get hit with a very dangerous and damning academic fraud case? I don't.

The culture of corruption surrounding college athletics has, is, and will be ignored by our dualistic cultural standards. If you are super rich and a thief you are too big to fail. If you are a stud athlete allowances must be made, criminal activity managed or overlooked, and illegal and unethical perks provided. If you are not wealthy or a prodigious athlete then you are just a criminal for engaging in the same behaviors.

I've seen the recruiters in action and it isn't pretty. It's been going on for at least the 40 years I've observed it, and I know probably longer, but the depth and depravity of it has grown disturbingly worse in the last 15 years. But, the same may be said for our institutions of business and government. In fact I dare say the athletic situation is merely a symptom of the greater illness.

North Carolina will skate through with minor penalties and promises made to clean up internally. Why? Because if one conference leading school gets whacked for academic fraud then beans will be spilled, past beneficiaries of bogus diplomas will come forth with stories about how they couldn't succeed without the education they were promised, and wealthy boosters, corporate sponsors, and academic leaders will all have to admit to their involvement in a sheer hypocrisy that is grand enough in scope to shatter even their well crafted public images and that sure as Hades is not going to happen.

Georgia lost big in the Jan Kemp lawsuit.

I don't recall any Texas allegations of academic "arrangements." So I will call you on that unless you can provide specifics (doesn't mean you can't, but I would think I would remember it).

I'm relying on memory Bullet, so I could be mistaken. The things I had first hand knowledge and dealings with will only remain generalized in my comments. But I was reading a good deal on ShaggyBevo last year when the stuff about the fired women's coach (I think it was the track coach) came out along with some other stuff pertaining to the sexcapades of one of the assistant football coaches and I think one of the assistant AD's broke. There was also an email that Mack apparently sent out to everyone by mistake. Included in that mix was some discussion about the North Carolina allegations and comments about similar alleged practices at UT that the former coach might have knowledge of.

The stuff on OSU was in an ESPN special edition that included Auburn, Ohio State, and a couple of other schools and their former recruits and players.

If I'm wrong about the Texas issues due apologies. I wasn't trying to be anything but illustrative of the point that the NCAA doesn't want to find anything too substantial or controversial out about its top schools in each conference. I followed recruiting closely from a first hand basis throughout the 80's and into the early 90's as I traveled throughout the Southeast. I still follow it but now my information is second hand. During that time grade fixing, ringers to take ACT & SAT tests, tutors who actually helped during exams which were mostly take home essays, even some grade fixing all were fairly common according to the athletes (the schools and coaches would never admit it). Also, none of that deals with grades fixed at the High School level to get them eligible. The conferences recruiting the area at that time that were involved were the SWC, SEC, and ACC. The schools involved were high percentages from each conference. The reason I wrote what I did is because the problem was, is, and probably will continue to be, pervasive. During the time period that I had first hand knowledge I always turned the violations over to the University President's office for the schools involved. 90% of the time the result was that they dropped the kid in question from their recruitment. Then that was the end of story as far as I was concerned. Only 2 schools persisted and were turned over to the NCAA.

The average fan and alumni has no idea of what goes on behind the scenes in recruitment. Inducements (monetary, sexual, possessions, ego games, etc.,) have all ramped up since my time on the road. Back in the 80's there were monetary inducements, very, very few sexual inducements other than a pretty young woman to have your picture taken with and to escort you around campus, there were cars and stereos, and no video's of game winning scores and Heisman trophies and all of that ridiculous stuff. It has gotten way out of hand.

Considering the money made at the top schools for football it is not inconceivable that vulnerable faculty could be recruited to help athletes remain eligible. That pressure exists at every school where football is a top revenue producer. That is true for your school, my school, and many many more. It is simply the reality of the situation. Unfortunately, things will likely have to degrade further before a correction is forthcoming.

I don't think schools have to put much effort into the sexual inducement part. As long as recruits end up at a party at some point along the way, there will almost certainly be companionship to be had. The school doesn't have to set anything up explicitly, things will just take care of themselves.

That was once the case, but allegations brought forth on ESPN indicated otherwise pertaining to today's recruitment. Shapiro's case at Miami indicates otherwise as well. And according to some of the athletes' remarks I'm not so sure that such things aren't a bit more prevalent than most might suspect.

But Phog, there is still great truth in what you purport as well.

The NCAA lost one of it's mighty cash cows when they issued the death penalty on SMU. Many people forget just how big SMU was back then. They won't do it again. It's been all down hill from that very moment.

(06-14-2013 09:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  I don't think schools have to put much effort into the sexual inducement part. As long as recruits end up at a party at some point along the way, there will almost certainly be companionship to be had. The school doesn't have to set anything up explicitly, things will just take care of themselves.

I take it you forgot about the Tennessee hostess scandal...

Tennessee's "Hostess" Program Catches Recruits' (And NCAA's) Eyes

If the NCAA isn't going to punish UNC or Miami, they should just stop the investigations and save some money. There's no point in continuing this charade.

(06-15-2013 08:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='BewareThePhog' pid='9411125' dateline='1371221542']I don't think schools have to put much effort into the sexual inducement part. As long as recruits end up at a party at some point along the way, there will almost certainly be companionship to be had. The school doesn't have to set anything up explicitly, things will just take care of themselves.

I take it you forgot about the Tennessee hostess scandal...

Tennessee's "Hostess" Program Catches Recruits' (And NCAA's) Eyes

Phog said that not me.

(06-13-2013 03:36 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 02:05 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 01:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 11:00 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 10:45 AM)Chappy Wrote:  The NCAA has no desire to punish UNC.

They've decided for some reason that all of the corruption there is an academic matter and not a sports matter, and therefore out of their jurisdiction, so to speak.

They did punish UNC. Sorry if it is not to your satisfaction.

Only a UNC fan would see it that way. Nobody else does. If PJ Hariston is found guilty and suits up this year Chapel Hill loses any respectabiity it has left. And yes, the academic fraud is a thousand times worse than anything Butch Davis did.

Haters!! PJ will plead to reduced charges, miss a game or two. He is the only college player to ever arrested!! Ban him for the year!!

We kicked our leading scorer off the team for a drug arrest. We'll see what Chapel Hill decides to do.

I think the player you kicked off is now accused of armed robbery, so his issues may have been deeper & the punishment warranted.

APR scores by conference. You be the judge. Louisville sliding quickly.


http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2012/6/20/...conference

(06-16-2013 12:10 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 08:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 09:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  I don't think schools have to put much effort into the sexual inducement part. As long as recruits end up at a party at some point along the way, there will almost certainly be companionship to be had. The school doesn't have to set anything up explicitly, things will just take care of themselves.

I take it you forgot about the Tennessee hostess scandal...

Tennessee's "Hostess" Program Catches Recruits' (And NCAA's) Eyes

Phog said that not me.

It was a small mistake in my editing of that post. I forgot to edit out your post tag. It happens occasionally...

I've since fixed it...

(06-15-2013 07:51 PM)Whiteboard3 Wrote:  The NCAA lost one of it's mighty cash cows when they issued the death penalty on SMU. Many people forget just how big SMU was back then. They won't do it again. It's been all down hill from that very moment.

Can anyone say "Eric Dickerson"?

SMU can thank Craig James and his agent for their current lot in life...

Wow. The rabbit hole simply goes deeper in chapel hill.

No matter how much manure they swim in, when they emerge they are pristine and clean. Its the miracle of Chapel Hole!

Who cares if ya can't sign your name or read the ABC's? The only thing that matters to us is being able to read 4-3's.

*SEC motto. Y'all rock that now, ya hear?

In all seriousness, we saw UConn be banned from the NCAAs in basketball last year. Could we see a similar ban for Carolina where they are denied a bowl game?

(06-20-2013 02:21 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  In all seriousness, we saw UConn be banned from the NCAAs in basketball last year. Could we see a similar ban for Carolina where they are denied a bowl game?

Chapel Hill was denied a bowl game in 2012. NCAA didn't want to appear as if it was totally ignoring the fraud going on in Chapel Hill. We will never see the punishment fit the crime in Chapel Hill. To much $$ at stake.

Unbelievable.

Chapel Hill to be monitored, NOT SANCTIONED, by accrrediting committee.

Quote:UNC-Chapel Hill received no sanction from its accreditor Thursday, but will be monitored for a year as it executes a plan to “make whole” the academic degrees of former students who took fraudulent African studies classes.

The decision came down Thursday from the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools’ Commission on Colleges, said Belle Wheelan, president of the commission.

The board discussed the academic fraud that occurred in the African and Afro-American Studies department, where an investigation found more than 200 classes with little or no instruction dating back to the late 1990s. Among the irregularities were no-show classes, poorly supervised independent studies, and hundreds of unauthorized grade changes.

Athletes accounted for 45 percent of the enrollments in the bogus classes in a 10-year period, according to the review from former Gov. Jim Martin. The university has repeatedly said the fraud constituted an academic scandal, not an athletic one. But recent emails showed a cozy relationship between academic advisers to athletes and Julius Nyang’oro, the former department chairman and professor who has been blamed for the fraud, along with a former department manager, Debbie Crowder.

The commission’s board reviewed the university’s proposal for tracking down former students to complete an additional course or courses, Wheelan said.

“The board felt that they were doing as much due diligence as was possible,” Wheelan said. “I know that the people – some of the people anyway – who were involved in (the fraud) are no longer at the university, so what do you do? So all they can do is change their policies to ensure that it doesn’t happen again, and then try and find the students to see if they can’t make those degrees whole somehow.”

The university will have to submit a report next April on its progress toward that goal. It’s unclear how many students the university will have to reach and how many additional courses will have to be offered. But such an undertaking is rare.

In the spring semester, the university conducted surprise inspections of hundreds of classes to ensure that students and faculty were meeting and that the courses were legitimate. Class syllabi were collected from faculty, some of whom were irked by the spot checks.

The review was unprecedented at UNC-CH, but so was the case of fraud, Wheelan said.

“It was significant,” she said. “Any time you bring in the integrity of the university and what it’s doing, it’s a serious issue. It can damage an institution’s reputation. But the board felt that they were doing as much as they could to right this wrong.”

(06-15-2013 08:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 09:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  I don't think schools have to put much effort into the sexual inducement part. As long as recruits end up at a party at some point along the way, there will almost certainly be companionship to be had. The school doesn't have to set anything up explicitly, things will just take care of themselves.

I take it you forgot about the Tennessee hostess scandal...

Tennessee's "Hostess" Program Catches Recruits' (And NCAA's) Eyes

I'm surprised by this. Not by the fact that schools will use any tool at their disposal, but at the fact that they have to make any effort to do so, at least when it come to on-campus visits. I have to think a lot of informal "recruiting" is going on without any encouragement.

So, now it's the basketball program and agents. Guessing the NCAA does nothing about this as well.

NCAA investigating man with ties to NBA agents, UNC's Hairston

Quote:North Carolina athletics director Bubba Cunningham said on Friday that UNC officials have been in communication with the NCAA about a case involving Rodney Blackstock, a figure with ties to NBA agents who has a relationship with P.J. Hairston, the Tar Heels junior guard.

USA Today reported in early May that Blackstock, who played basketball at UNC Greensboro 10 years ago, paid thousands of dollars to the AAU coach of Ben McLemore, the Kansas guard who is expected to be among the top selections in the NBA draft. The payments Blackstock made, USA Today reported, were “on behalf of sports agents and financial advisers” who sought McLemore as a client.

Hairston, who is a Greensboro native, has apparently known Blackstock for years.

“We’ve been aware of the McLemore-Blackstock case since May 4,” Cunningham said, referring to the date when USA Today published its story about Blackstock’s payments to McLemore’s AAU coach. “And we’ve been doing research and finding as much information about that situation as we can to ensure that we don’t have any issues associated with that.”

Hairston is awaiting an August court date on a misdemeanor charge of marijuana possession. Durham police earlier this month arrested him at a license checkpoint. Police also charged his two passengers with misdemeanor marijuana possession.

At the time of his arrest, Hairston, who was the Tar Heels’ leading scorer during his sophomore season, was driving a rented 2013 GMC Yukon. Police discovered a gun outside the vehicle. UNC officials have not commented on that case, and have said they are still gathering facts surrounding it.

(06-24-2013 10:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  So, now it's the basketball program and agents. Guessing the NCAA does nothing about this as well.

NCAA investigating man with ties to NBA agents, UNC's Hairston

Quote:North Carolina athletics director Bubba Cunningham said on Friday that UNC officials have been in communication with the NCAA about a case involving Rodney Blackstock, a figure with ties to NBA agents who has a relationship with P.J. Hairston, the Tar Heels junior guard.

USA Today reported in early May that Blackstock, who played basketball at UNC Greensboro 10 years ago, paid thousands of dollars to the AAU coach of Ben McLemore, the Kansas guard who is expected to be among the top selections in the NBA draft. The payments Blackstock made, USA Today reported, were “on behalf of sports agents and financial advisers” who sought McLemore as a client.

Hairston, who is a Greensboro native, has apparently known Blackstock for years.

“We’ve been aware of the McLemore-Blackstock case since May 4,” Cunningham said, referring to the date when USA Today published its story about Blackstock’s payments to McLemore’s AAU coach. “And we’ve been doing research and finding as much information about that situation as we can to ensure that we don’t have any issues associated with that.”

Hairston is awaiting an August court date on a misdemeanor charge of marijuana possession. Durham police earlier this month arrested him at a license checkpoint. Police also charged his two passengers with misdemeanor marijuana possession.

At the time of his arrest, Hairston, who was the Tar Heels’ leading scorer during his sophomore season, was driving a rented 2013 GMC Yukon. Police discovered a gun outside the vehicle. UNC officials have not commented on that case, and have said they are still gathering facts surrounding it.

Actually, the NCAA gets really worked up about agents.

(06-24-2013 11:23 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 10:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  So, now it's the basketball program and agents. Guessing the NCAA does nothing about this as well.

NCAA investigating man with ties to NBA agents, UNC's Hairston

Quote:North Carolina athletics director Bubba Cunningham said on Friday that UNC officials have been in communication with the NCAA about a case involving Rodney Blackstock, a figure with ties to NBA agents who has a relationship with P.J. Hairston, the Tar Heels junior guard.

USA Today reported in early May that Blackstock, who played basketball at UNC Greensboro 10 years ago, paid thousands of dollars to the AAU coach of Ben McLemore, the Kansas guard who is expected to be among the top selections in the NBA draft. The payments Blackstock made, USA Today reported, were “on behalf of sports agents and financial advisers” who sought McLemore as a client.

Hairston, who is a Greensboro native, has apparently known Blackstock for years.

“We’ve been aware of the McLemore-Blackstock case since May 4,” Cunningham said, referring to the date when USA Today published its story about Blackstock’s payments to McLemore’s AAU coach. “And we’ve been doing research and finding as much information about that situation as we can to ensure that we don’t have any issues associated with that.”

Hairston is awaiting an August court date on a misdemeanor charge of marijuana possession. Durham police earlier this month arrested him at a license checkpoint. Police also charged his two passengers with misdemeanor marijuana possession.

At the time of his arrest, Hairston, who was the Tar Heels’ leading scorer during his sophomore season, was driving a rented 2013 GMC Yukon. Police discovered a gun outside the vehicle. UNC officials have not commented on that case, and have said they are still gathering facts surrounding it.

Actually, the NCAA gets really worked up about agents.

We'll see. I don't see much of anthing, other than a potential slap on the wrist, arising form this latest Chapel Hill mess. Besides, the bball program is a money making machine. Doubt the NCAA will tread to harshly with its cash cow.