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(06-15-2013 01:43 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  The new ballpark does not have the necessary dimensions to host football.

Well then. I'm all tapped out. I guess I'll get back to doing what I actually get paid to do now. 07-coffee3
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Exactly. Legion Field isn't good but it is currently our only option.
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(06-15-2013 10:23 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Exactly. Legion Field isn't good but it is currently our only option.
It's just a painful situation, any way you look at it.

I've said something like this before on BlazerTalk, but what UAB people need to do is

(1) only vote for pro-UAB candidates to any public office in JeffCo;
(2) not vote for any pro-UAT candidates to any statewide office. Seek out pro-UAB candidates where possible, form alliances with pro-Auburn (or pro-whoever, as long as it's not pro-UAT) candidates where necessary.
(3) Decide where the best spot to put a stadium is on land that UAB already owns/controls. Then start digging. Make UAT go to court and seek an injunction to stop you (if they dare). Make a JeffCo judge explain why he wants to prevent UAB from building a stadium on UAB's own land (if he dares). Make the JeffCo legislative delegation choose sides and publicly declare their loyalties, then vote accordingly. Don't sit back and wait for Paul-Jr. to die. Take action NOW. Don't bother with the press releases and interviews (although they do serve a purpose), just grab some shovels and drills and get to work. Dare your enemies to stop you.
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(06-14-2013 10:34 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  The board must approve any use of funds over a certain amount (just a few thousand IIRC). Even if I donated $50 million to UAB, the BOT would still have to approve use of those funds for construction of a stadium.

coming back to something I posted earlier,

What about taking your largest boosters and forming a non profit group specifically tied to constructing a new open air football stadium in Birmingham with the blessing and political support of the city government. This organization could solicit donations towards the construction of the facility and when the funding had been met, consult with UAB unofficially on the final design and what not and then proceed on construction. Once construction is finished, then this organization would donate the facility to the university or (if the UA board refuses to accept the donated stadium) to the city with UAB as the sweetheart tenant. After handing the facility over, the organization behind it could either dissolve or re-purpose itself for some other cause in and around Birmingham.

The only downside to this would be that it could not be built on land already owned by the university and that its construction would have to be totally private without the aid of bonds, unless the city wanted to get more seriously involved.
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Quote:Dare your enemies to stop you.

They can stop any such project very easily: simply dismiss the university president, athletic director, vice presidents and anyone else involved. This is an at-will state, and said will lies with the UA System Board of Trustees.

This is not about a stadium: it is a question of social and political revolution. That is a frightening thought; Americans are a people of the status quo, not of revolution. When we allow our government to start wars at will, murder with drones at will, spy on our communications at will, and the only outrage we can muster is a football-like cheer for the little D or the little R, then we are a weak and feckless people.

It's not enough to subvert the will of the Board (through some sort of work-around stadium donation), the Board must be destroyed. This is going to take years of agitation.
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(06-16-2013 06:51 AM)58-56 Wrote:  
Quote:Dare your enemies to stop you.

They can stop any such project very easily: simply dismiss the university president, athletic director, vice presidents and anyone else involved. This is an at-will state, and said will lies with the UA System Board of Trustees.

This is not about a stadium: it is a question of social and political revolution. That is a frightening thought; Americans are a people of the status quo, not of revolution. When we allow our government to start wars at will, murder with drones at will, spy on our communications at will, and the only outrage we can muster is a football-like cheer for the little D or the little R, then we are a weak and feckless people.

It's not enough to subvert the will of the Board (through some sort of work-around stadium donation), the Board must be destroyed. This is going to take years of agitation.
I agree with all of that, but still say that UAB will benefit from raising the stakes and bringing the conflict out in the open.
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(06-16-2013 12:10 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(06-15-2013 10:23 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Exactly. Legion Field isn't good but it is currently our only option.
It's just a painful situation, any way you look at it.

I've said something like this before on BlazerTalk, but what UAB people need to do is

(1) only vote for pro-UAB candidates to any public office in JeffCo;
(2) not vote for any pro-UAT candidates to any statewide office. Seek out pro-UAB candidates where possible, form alliances with pro-Auburn (or pro-whoever, as long as it's not pro-UAT) candidates where necessary.
(3) Decide where the best spot to put a stadium is on land that UAB already owns/controls. Then start digging. Make UAT go to court and seek an injunction to stop you (if they dare). Make a JeffCo judge explain why he wants to prevent UAB from building a stadium on UAB's own land (if he dares). Make the JeffCo legislative delegation choose sides and publicly declare their loyalties, then vote accordingly. Don't sit back and wait for Paul-Jr. to die. Take action NOW. Don't bother with the press releases and interviews (although they do serve a purpose), just grab some shovels and drills and get to work. Dare your enemies to stop you.

1 and 2... You are not familiar with the state of Alabama. UAB fans are the minority by a long shot in this state, and the rest of the state doesn't even know what has been going on between Alabama and UAB and why UAB fans hate Alabama so much. The voters for a pro-UAT official far outweigh those of a pro-UAB official.
3 is a terrible idea. The BOT(whether we like it or not) has to approve the building of a stadium and the bonds to support it. Going out and trying to do it on our own would be a terrible idea.
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(06-16-2013 09:40 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  UAB fans are the minority by a long shot in this state, and the rest of the state doesn't even know what has been going on between Alabama and UAB and why UAB fans hate Alabama so much. The voters for a pro-UAT official far outweigh those of a pro-UAB official.
Is UAB able to influence elections in Jefferson Co? That's a start.

And I agree a statewide election cannot be successfully framed as "UAB vs UAT". But UAB should be seeking alliances with Auburn, Troy, USA, UAH, the HBCUs, etc.
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(06-16-2013 08:14 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(06-16-2013 06:51 AM)58-56 Wrote:  
Quote:Dare your enemies to stop you.

They can stop any such project very easily: simply dismiss the university president, athletic director, vice presidents and anyone else involved. This is an at-will state, and said will lies with the UA System Board of Trustees.

This is not about a stadium: it is a question of social and political revolution. That is a frightening thought; Americans are a people of the status quo, not of revolution. When we allow our government to start wars at will, murder with drones at will, spy on our communications at will, and the only outrage we can muster is a football-like cheer for the little D or the little R, then we are a weak and feckless people.

It's not enough to subvert the will of the Board (through some sort of work-around stadium donation), the Board must be destroyed. This is going to take years of agitation.
I agree with all of that, but still say that UAB will benefit from raising the stakes and bringing the conflict out in the open.

We had a president who was confrontational, she was fired/forced out (Reynolds) & I have a feeling that our last president (Garrison) was forced out as well after using all/most politcal capital she had to try to get the stadium. They won't stand for anyone being too "uppity" & rocking their boat. Until the feds get involved to clean up state politics, as Smaug says some high profile funerals will need to take place first before we & UAH start to see the light of freedom.
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Having grown up in South Mississippi and being 60 years old with my first memories being of college football, I can say that football in Alabama and Mississippi used to be (still is in Alabama although it has lost some of it's strength in Mississippi since the retirement of Vaught), so strong it could write it's own ticket no matter how outlandish. Ole Miss had (may still have, I don't know for sure) it's own member of the State College Board who was there to look out only for the interest of Ole Miss and no other school. USM had and still has to, battle Ole Miss and Miss. State but primarily Ole Miss whose fans believe they are the flagship football program in the state. Alabama is even more dominating in that state and actually tries to suppress Auburn as much as they can, and certainly any other program like UAB. It is typical political corruption in these states with strong ties to the hollowed school in each.

I can remember the college board was to force Ole Miss and State to play USM each year and Jackson State, Alcorn and I think Miss. Valley State (not sure but think they were involved in it) once ever 5 years or so. The board was told they would get their funding cut if they enforced it and eventually the who thing got shelved, and from what I have seen in Alabama they are just as prejudice due to the idea if these teams start getting too many of the recruits then they would ruin the chances of a National Championship and dominating football in the conference. Even football help to end Jim Crow because it became clear the SEC couldn't compete if they didn't allow talented Blacks to play, which Bear Bryant saw and scheduled a game with USC knowing his highly ranked Tide would be beaten badly (which happened). This caused the SEC to change. So yeah the mentality in these states calls to suppress the others, and keeping them down makes them stronger, instead of seeing them as teams that could strengthen them if they would use their advantages creatively.
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Quote:Is UAB able to influence elections in Jefferson Co? That's a start.

Every Jefferson Co. legislator except one (a pissed-off ex-employee) signed on to support #FreeUAB: we had the black liberal chick standing hand-in-hand with the Italian Catholic abortion nut, the Pelosoid lesbian linking arms with the arm-all-teachers-and-kindergartners NRA crusader. The problem is everyone outside the county.

The hatred for UAB is part of a broader anti-intellectualism. We had a special election for my local district (House 45). Candidate A: *** laude grad of U. Arizona Law, clerk to Sandra Day O'Conner. Candidate B: Runs a lawn mowing service, did not graduate Leeds High School, buys Roh Tahd gear at Wal-Mart.

It was not even close.

We're going to have to educate and agitate. The Bourbon Tyranny cannot be allowed to stand. **** the Machine.
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In the blessed name of Allah, I can't write "c-u-m l-a-u-d-e"????
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(06-16-2013 11:58 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  Having grown up in South Mississippi and being 60 years old with my first memories being of college football, I can say that football in Alabama and Mississippi used to be (still is in Alabama although it has lost some of it's strength in Mississippi since the retirement of Vaught), so strong it could write it's own ticket no matter how outlandish. Ole Miss had (may still have, I don't know for sure) it's own member of the State College Board who was there to look out only for the interest of Ole Miss and no other school. USM had and still has to, battle Ole Miss and Miss. State but primarily Ole Miss whose fans believe they are the flagship football program in the state. Alabama is even more dominating in that state and actually tries to suppress Auburn as much as they can, and certainly any other program like UAB. It is typical political corruption in these states with strong ties to the hollowed school in each.

I can remember the college board was to force Ole Miss and State to play USM each year and Jackson State, Alcorn and I think Miss. Valley State (not sure but think they were involved in it) once ever 5 years or so. The board was told they would get their funding cut if they enforced it and eventually the who thing got shelved, and from what I have seen in Alabama they are just as prejudice due to the idea if these teams start getting too many of the recruits then they would ruin the chances of a National Championship and dominating football in the conference. Even football help to end Jim Crow because it became clear the SEC couldn't compete if they didn't allow talented Blacks to play, which Bear Bryant saw and scheduled a game with USC knowing his highly ranked Tide would be beaten badly (which happened). This caused the SEC to change. So yeah the mentality in these states calls to suppress the others, and keeping them down makes them stronger, instead of seeing them as teams that could strengthen them if they would use their advantages creatively.

The ignorance of the deep south never ceases to amaze me. No offense intended. USM and UAB fans seem to be the exception to the rule.
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(06-16-2013 12:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-16-2013 11:58 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  Having grown up in South Mississippi and being 60 years old with my first memories being of college football, I can say that football in Alabama and Mississippi used to be (still is in Alabama although it has lost some of it's strength in Mississippi since the retirement of Vaught), so strong it could write it's own ticket no matter how outlandish. Ole Miss had (may still have, I don't know for sure) it's own member of the State College Board who was there to look out only for the interest of Ole Miss and no other school. USM had and still has to, battle Ole Miss and Miss. State but primarily Ole Miss whose fans believe they are the flagship football program in the state. Alabama is even more dominating in that state and actually tries to suppress Auburn as much as they can, and certainly any other program like UAB. It is typical political corruption in these states with strong ties to the hollowed school in each.

I can remember the college board was to force Ole Miss and State to play USM each year and Jackson State, Alcorn and I think Miss. Valley State (not sure but think they were involved in it) once ever 5 years or so. The board was told they would get their funding cut if they enforced it and eventually the who thing got shelved, and from what I have seen in Alabama they are just as prejudice due to the idea if these teams start getting too many of the recruits then they would ruin the chances of a National Championship and dominating football in the conference. Even football help to end Jim Crow because it became clear the SEC couldn't compete if they didn't allow talented Blacks to play, which Bear Bryant saw and scheduled a game with USC knowing his highly ranked Tide would be beaten badly (which happened). This caused the SEC to change. So yeah the mentality in these states calls to suppress the others, and keeping them down makes them stronger, instead of seeing them as teams that could strengthen them if they would use their advantages creatively.

The ignorance of the deep south never ceases to amaze me. No offense intended. USM and UAB fans seem to be the exception to the rule.

Ignorance knows no bounds...as its found everywhere...not just the deep south.
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(06-16-2013 02:22 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Ignorance knows no bounds...as its found everywhere...not just the deep south.

No doubt, but it certainly seems to have it's hotbeds.
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(06-16-2013 12:27 PM)58-56 Wrote:  
Quote:Is UAB able to influence elections in Jefferson Co? That's a start.

Every Jefferson Co. legislator except one (a pissed-off ex-employee) signed on to support #FreeUAB: we had the black liberal chick standing hand-in-hand with the Italian Catholic abortion nut, the Pelosoid lesbian linking arms with the arm-all-teachers-and-kindergartners NRA crusader. The problem is everyone outside the county.

The hatred for UAB is part of a broader anti-intellectualism. We had a special election for my local district (House 45). Candidate A: *** laude grad of U. Arizona Law, clerk to Sandra Day O'Conner. Candidate B: Runs a lawn mowing service, did not graduate Leeds High School, buys Roh Tahd gear at Wal-Mart.

It was not even close.

We're going to have to educate and agitate. The Bourbon Tyranny cannot be allowed to stand. **** the Machine.

Fellow posters, you can take what this distinguished gentleman says to the bank!
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(06-16-2013 12:10 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(06-15-2013 10:23 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Exactly. Legion Field isn't good but it is currently our only option.
It's just a painful situation, any way you look at it.

I've said something like this before on BlazerTalk, but what UAB people need to do is

(1) only vote for pro-UAB candidates to any public office in JeffCo;
(2) not vote for any pro-UAT candidates to any statewide office. Seek out pro-UAB candidates where possible, form alliances with pro-Auburn (or pro-whoever, as long as it's not pro-UAT) candidates where necessary.
(3) Decide where the best spot to put a stadium is on land that UAB already owns/controls. Then start digging. Make UAT go to court and seek an injunction to stop you (if they dare). Make a JeffCo judge explain why he wants to prevent UAB from building a stadium on UAB's own land (if he dares). Make the JeffCo legislative delegation choose sides and publicly declare their loyalties, then vote accordingly. Don't sit back and wait for Paul-Jr. to die. Take action NOW. Don't bother with the press releases and interviews (although they do serve a purpose), just grab some shovels and drills and get to work. Dare your enemies to stop you.

No explanation needed, we already know why he doesn't want UAB to flourish in football, he's just got so many from media to city/county/state politicians running interference for him & the rest of that spineless board. I like the brevity in your words, just the same. I miss the days when taking to the streets and making some noise actually had some degree of impact.
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(06-16-2013 12:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-16-2013 11:58 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  Having grown up in South Mississippi and being 60 years old with my first memories being of college football, I can say that football in Alabama and Mississippi used to be (still is in Alabama although it has lost some of it's strength in Mississippi since the retirement of Vaught), so strong it could write it's own ticket no matter how outlandish. Ole Miss had (may still have, I don't know for sure) it's own member of the State College Board who was there to look out only for the interest of Ole Miss and no other school. USM had and still has to, battle Ole Miss and Miss. State but primarily Ole Miss whose fans believe they are the flagship football program in the state. Alabama is even more dominating in that state and actually tries to suppress Auburn as much as they can, and certainly any other program like UAB. It is typical political corruption in these states with strong ties to the hollowed school in each.

I can remember the college board was to force Ole Miss and State to play USM each year and Jackson State, Alcorn and I think Miss. Valley State (not sure but think they were involved in it) once ever 5 years or so. The board was told they would get their funding cut if they enforced it and eventually the who thing got shelved, and from what I have seen in Alabama they are just as prejudice due to the idea if these teams start getting too many of the recruits then they would ruin the chances of a National Championship and dominating football in the conference. Even football help to end Jim Crow because it became clear the SEC couldn't compete if they didn't allow talented Blacks to play, which Bear Bryant saw and scheduled a game with USC knowing his highly ranked Tide would be beaten badly (which happened). This caused the SEC to change. So yeah the mentality in these states calls to suppress the others, and keeping them down makes them stronger, instead of seeing them as teams that could strengthen them if they would use their advantages creatively.

The ignorance of the deep south never ceases to amaze me. No offense intended. USM and UAB fans seem to be the exception to the rule.

No offense taken. Try as we might, we are as Sean Connery so eloquently put in a movie in which he co-starred with Harrison Ford..."My boy, we are pilgrims in an unholy land..."
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(06-16-2013 02:36 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-16-2013 02:22 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Ignorance knows no bounds...as its found everywhere...not just the deep south.

No doubt, but it certainly seems to have it's hotbeds.

Bullseye!!!
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(06-16-2013 11:58 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  football help to end Jim Crow because it became clear the SEC couldn't compete if they didn't allow talented Blacks to play, which Bear Bryant saw and scheduled a game with USC knowing his highly ranked Tide would be beaten badly (which happened). This caused the SEC to change.
The game was played in 1970 at Legion Field and Southern Cal won, 42-21. It was the first game of the season; Alabama was coming off a 6-5-0 result in 1969 and wound up at 6-5-1 in 1970. So while Alabama probably was highly ranked in the early September polls, it was not one of the Bear's better squads.

Sam Cunningham (10 years with the N.E. Patriots), an African-American player for USC, dominated the game, which did, indeed, help pave the way for Bryant and other white-southern coaches to go 'all-out' in their recruitment of black players. It should be pointed out that Bryant already had at least one black freshman (Wilbur Jackson, a first-round pick by the 49'ers in 1974) on scholarship at the time (freshmen ineligible to play varsity in 1970).

Alabama and other all-white teams played integrated opponents frequently starting in about 1955. The simple truth is that the all-white teams won a lot of those games. (Example: Alabama 34, Nebraska 7 in the 1967 Sugar Bowl). I think the wisdom of integration or segregation can be analyzed separately from sporting events, but for those who look for Historical Meaning in the score of a football game or something like that, the record is far less clear than popular memory would have us believe.
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