(08-06-2013 03:47 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  BTW, I looked up the AAC and Mountain West (and from that, I won't waste my time on the Sun Belt or CUSA ... outside of Marshall, which sponsors 15 sports).


7. Tulsa - 16

9. Tulane - 15
12. East Carolina - 14


11. Utah State -12 (how is this possible?)

Some of your numbers are a bit off.

Tulsa sponsors 18

Tulane sponsors 16

ECU sponsors 19

Utah St. sponsors 16

You might want to go back and recheck all of your numbers.

A ten second search of the Utah State web site shows 14 sports. Part of the problem may be that many schools just list track and cross country but have teams for both men and women. From looking at the team picture I discern that Utah State either supports teams of both genders or have been conducting heinous experiments, with half their women's team being trained by former East German coaches. If that's the case, expect them to win their conference easily- the muscles and five o'clock shadows on some of those women are frightening.

ECU appears to sponsor 17 (listed on their web site). they do it a little differently in that they list M sports, W sports and a third category of "dual sports". MUfan may be correct, if like many schools, they consider indoor track and field as seperate sports. That would give the 19 figure. Track and Field is always screwing things up.

(08-06-2013 03:47 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  BTW, I looked up the AAC and Mountain West (and from that, I won't waste my time on the Sun Belt or CUSA ... outside of Marshall, which sponsors 15 sports).

Both leagues look a lot like the MAC:

AAC
1. Navy - 26
2. Connecticut -22
2. Temple - 22
4. Memphis - 18
5. Cincinnati - 17
5. South Florida - 17
7. SMU - 16
7. Tulsa - 16
9. Central Florida - 15
9. Houston - 15
9. Tulane - 15
12. East Carolina - 14

Mountain West
1. Air Force - 27
2. New Mexico - 19
3. UNLV - 18 (that counts men's and women's cheer. Serious question, does that count?)
3. Fresno State - 18
3. San Diego State - 18
6. Boise State - 17
6. San Jose State - 17
8. Nevada-Reno - 16
9. Colorado State - 15
9. Wyoming - 15
11. Utah State -12 (how is this possible?)

The service academies and private school Temple skews things. Take those out and the only public school in any of the three leagues (MAC, AAC, Mountain West) that is above 20 is Connecticut, which I don't think anybody will argue is next in line for a spot with the big boys.

Overall, the MAC is pretty much equal to the Mountain West in terms of schools that offer the most sports. The MAC is not that far off from the AAC, either, especially if you only compare public schools.

The eye-opener was Cincinnati only offering 17 sports. Three Ohio MAC schools (Akron, BG and Miami) offer more sports. I never would've guessed that without looking it up. Then again, I never would've guessed "the flagship" only offered15.

EDIT: Based on average No. of sports, it breaks down like this:

AAC-17.75
MTW- 17.45
MAC - 16.75 (16.92 counting UMass)

However, take the service academies out of the AAC (Navy) and MTW (Air Force), it looks like this:
AAC- 17
MAC - 16.75 (16.92 counting UMass)
MTW- 16.5

Or how about Army joining the MAC? (I know it's been discussed)
AAC-17.75
MTW- 17.45
MAC- 17.42 (assuming UMass and Army would join full-time to make it 14).

Cincinnati is actually at 19 varsity sports. They reinstituted men and women's track and field this past year after a brief hiatus. The athletic department took on a lot of debt with the contruction of Varsity Village, which was necessary to get them in the Big East after the first raid of the conference.

UC offers many club sports that compete very well in their respective divisions. If circumstances arise that require them to increase the number of sports at a varsity level they would be able to do so without much difficulty.

(08-06-2013 08:23 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  A ten second search of the Utah State web site shows 14 sports. Part of the problem may be that many schools just list track and cross country but have teams for both men and women. From looking at the team picture I discern that Utah State either supports teams of both genders or have been conducting heinous experiments, with half their women's team being trained by former East German coaches. If that's the case, expect them to win their conference easily- the muscles and five o'clock shadows on some of those women are frightening.

What's really scary is when they get angry their shirts start splitting and they start turning green.

(08-06-2013 03:24 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 08:38 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 02:59 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  "For example, currently schools must sponsor at least 14 sports to be a FBS football program. I can see that number jumping to 20 or more to stay upper division football."

This is how I can see the power leagues weed out the lesser leagues. With all the money that is coming in through TV contracts, the teams already in the Big 5 that fall below the 20 (or 24) limit, would have the resources to add programs to get to that limit.

But what about the MAC? It seems like it would be tough for most schools to reach that mark.

I looked up each MAC school and the number of sports they sponsor (according to the official sites).

1. Eastern Michigan - 19
2. Akron - 18
2. Ball State - 18
2. Bowling Green - 18
2. Buffalo - 18
2. Miami - 18
7. Kent State - 16
7. Northern Illinois - 16
10. Central Michigan - 15
10. Ohio - 15 (nice to see the "flagship" leading the way)
10. Toledo - 15
10. Western Michigan - 15

*UMass also offers 19

If the minimum is raised to 24, is it realistic to think that any MAC school school would be able to add between 5-9 sports?

Even 20 will be tough for for everybody, especially outside of EMU, Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green and Miami. I just don't see where the money will come from to support so many additional teams. ... even with a bigger football payout if the MAC gets in with the big boys, the money is still going to be a fraction of what the Big Ten, Big 12, PAC 12, ACC and SEC schools are going to rake.

I didn't look up the Mountain West, AAC, Sun Belt or CUSA schools, but I imagine most fall below the 20 (or 24 mark) too.

What the heck, more mis-information. We have 21 sports down from 27 in the past decade plus.

Don't blame me, blame your athletic department for the "misinformation". I took that straight from umassathletics.com.

I guess if you count indoor and outdoor track and field (men's and women's) as two seperate sports (does that count?), then UMass has 21.

Understand now the issue. There are two missing sports from the site. Thought the men's tennis team shares a coach with womens tennis. Will have to find out and your good.

Would not be surprised if the MAC sites are similar and some are showing off the track and field divisions as seperate sports and others don't.

Also Temple, despite its religious sounding name, is a public school.

Yes, winter indoor and spring outdoor, track and field counts twice. '99 was the big cut from 27 when gymnastics, water polo, and other sports where trimmed down. Got some help by starting a thread on our board UMasshoops.com. The umass.247sports.com is now up and just as active or more so for football.

(08-06-2013 07:54 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 03:47 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  BTW, I looked up the AAC and Mountain West (and from that, I won't waste my time on the Sun Belt or CUSA ... outside of Marshall, which sponsors 15 sports).


7. Tulsa - 16

9. Tulane - 15
12. East Carolina - 14


11. Utah State -12 (how is this possible?)

Some of your numbers are a bit off.

Tulsa sponsors 18

Tulane sponsors 16

ECU sponsors 19

Utah St. sponsors 16

You might want to go back and recheck all of your numbers.

Yeah, I realize now I shorted some schools (in every league). I was doing this quickly and just clicking on the school's drop down box on the web page and simply counting off the number of sports. I didn't realize that some school listed men's and women's track and field and tennis seperately, while others just lumped them into one category.

Tulsa makes sense. They show 16, but I'm assuming they offer both men's and women's indoor track, which adds two to the total, thus 18.

ECU, I realize has three "dual sports." I counted those as one. Add three more for the other gender, then add two more for men's and women's indoor track, and yes, ECU is at 19.

This was an honest mistake, wasn't trying to short change those leagues to make the MAC look good. I went through 37 schools' athletic sites so I was doing this quickly. In fact, I short-changed my school (Akron) by two, since it also offers men's and women's indoor track and field, bumping Akron's total to 20.

I'm sure I short-changed plenty of other MAC schools, as well.

So my numbers may not be perfect, but the basis was to show that the MAC is a peer league to the Mountain West or AAC in terms of the realm of sports schools compete in. Even with accidentally short-changing schools in every league (including my own school), doesn't change that the three leagues are pretty similar in their overall athletic offerings.

(08-06-2013 01:28 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 03:47 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  BTW, I looked up the AAC and Mountain West (and from that, I won't waste my time on the Sun Belt or CUSA ... outside of Marshall, which sponsors 15 sports).

Both leagues look a lot like the MAC:

AAC
1. Navy - 26
2. Connecticut -22
2. Temple - 22
4. Memphis - 18
5. Cincinnati - 17
5. South Florida - 17
7. SMU - 16
7. Tulsa - 16
9. Central Florida - 15
9. Houston - 15
9. Tulane - 15
12. East Carolina - 14

Mountain West
1. Air Force - 27
2. New Mexico - 19
3. UNLV - 18 (that counts men's and women's cheer. Serious question, does that count?)
3. Fresno State - 18
3. San Diego State - 18
6. Boise State - 17
6. San Jose State - 17
8. Nevada-Reno - 16
9. Colorado State - 15
9. Wyoming - 15
11. Utah State -12 (how is this possible?)

The service academies and private school Temple skews things. Take those out and the only public school in any of the three leagues (MAC, AAC, Mountain West) that is above 20 is Connecticut, which I don't think anybody will argue is next in line for a spot with the big boys.

Overall, the MAC is pretty much equal to the Mountain West in terms of schools that offer the most sports. The MAC is not that far off from the AAC, either, especially if you only compare public schools.

The eye-opener was Cincinnati only offering 17 sports. Three Ohio MAC schools (Akron, BG and Miami) offer more sports. I never would've guessed that without looking it up. Then again, I never would've guessed "the flagship" only offered15.

EDIT: Based on average No. of sports, it breaks down like this:

AAC-17.75
MTW- 17.45
MAC - 16.75 (16.92 counting UMass)

However, take the service academies out of the AAC (Navy) and MTW (Air Force), it looks like this:
AAC- 17
MAC - 16.75 (16.92 counting UMass)
MTW- 16.5

Or how about Army joining the MAC? (I know it's been discussed)
AAC-17.75
MTW- 17.45
MAC- 17.42 (assuming UMass and Army would join full-time to make it 14).

Cincinnati is actually at 19 varsity sports. They reinstituted men and women's track and field this past year after a brief hiatus. The athletic department took on a lot of debt with the contruction of Varsity Village, which was necessary to get them in the Big East after the first raid of the conference.

UC offers many club sports that compete very well in their respective divisions. If circumstances arise that require them to increase the number of sports at a varsity level they would be able to do so without much difficulty.

That makes sense. As I said in my previous post, I wasn't including indoor and outdoor track and field as separate. So, adding men's and women's indoors makes it 19. It's still a little surprising, since I figured UC would've been over 20.

But I agree that Cincinnati has a large enough athletic budget and enough resources, that unlike the MAC schools, would be able to bump the number up to 24 sports (if that is what the final number would be to say in D1 for football).

I went back through and revised my MAC numbers (feel free to fill me in on any omissions). I won't do it for the AAC or Mountain West, but if a fan of a school in one of the leagues wants to do it to compare, feel free.

Eastern Michigan - 21
*UMass - 21
Akron - 20
Buffalo - 20
Ball State - 19
Bowling Green - 19
Miami - 19
Kent State - 18
Central Michigan - 17
Northern Illinois - 17
Ohio - 16
Toledo - 16
Western Michigan - 16

MAC avg: 18.38

* * * REMINDER * * *

Original Post/Institutional Profile

(06-10-2013 04:20 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  There’s a lot of talk about “peer conferences” coming from the “contract conferences” when discussing aligning themselves with a certain other conference. It’s used often by AAC and MWC to try to distinguish themselves among the ”non-contract conferences” and they usually cite a 3/2 split. I agree that there is a 3/2 split, but I KNOW that the 3/2 split is the top 3 and the bottom two not the inverse, which is more often cited.

Someone on the Realignment Board posted a comparison of Institutional profiles, which I found interesting because I’ve been compiling a similar list. I looked at enrollment size but figures vary so much that I used it more as an approximation of the school’s size. I used the Carnegie Foundation Classifications because they are a good measure to gain an accurate Institutional profile. I also used AAU and URA membership to identify leading Research Universities. I did NOT include the “Yelp: College” rankings (aka USNWR), because they are nothing more than a popularity contest and a pay-to-play instrument for colleges buying advertising.

Judging by the actual Institutional Profile it is CLEAR that the MAC, AAC, and MWC are peer conferences. You can go to the Realignment Board thread and see just how disparate these 3 conferences are to the other 2 “non-contract” conferences.

Also in football, the MAC and MWC have sent teams to a BCS Bowl by “busting” their way in and earning a spot. Some AAC members have appeared in BCS Bowl but got there by an AQ bid, which will be disappearing. Many of those AAC teams would not have “busted” the BCS if they had to get there on merit. On the field accomplishments, AGAIN, separate these three from the other two. Many of the MAC, AAC, and MWC teams have rich football history that is lacking from the teams in the other two conferences.

To review, the MAC, AAC, and MWC are similar in Institutional Profile, enrollment size, on-field accomplishments, and football history and distinguish themselves from the other two conferences that make up the “non-contract” group of conferences.

The MAC needs to align itself with the MWC and the AAC in academic and athletic endeavors, i.e. bowls, OOC scheduling, etc.

When discussing PEER CONFERENCES, please be advised that this group for the MAC includes the AAC and the MWC. Thank you.

Carnegie Classifications Breakdown
MAC: 12 Research Universities, 1 Master’s College.
- RU/VH (2), RU/H (9), DRU (1), M/L (1)
AAC: 11 Research Universities, 1 Baccalaureate College.
- RU/VH (6), RU/H (3), DRU (2), Bac/A&S (1)
MWC: 9 Research Universities, 3 Master’s Colleges, 1 Baccalaureate College.
- RU/VH (3), RU/H (5), M/L (3), Bac/A&S (1)

Carnegie Grad Classifications Breakdown
MAC: 11 Comprehensive Doctoral, 2 Doctoral.
- CompDoc/MedVet (3), CompDoc/NMedVet (8), Doc-STEM (2)
AAC: 10 Comprehensive Doctoral, 1 Doctoral, 1 Military Academy.
- CompDoc/MedVet (5), CompDoc/NMedVet (5), Doc-Prof (1), N/A (1)
MWC: 4 Comprehensive Doctoral, 5 Doctoral, 1 Single-Doctoral, 1 Postbaccalaureate, 1 Military Academy.
- CompDoc/MedVet (4), Doc-Prof (3), Doc-STEM (2), S-Doc/Ed (1), Postbac-Comp (1), N/A (1)

Carnegie Selectivity Breakdown
MAC: More Selective (3), Selective (9), Inclusive (1).
AAC: More Selective (5), Selective (7) – 1 “More Selective” is Military Academy.
MWC: More Selective (1), Selective (10), Inclusive (1) – Only “More Selective” is Military Academy.

AAU Members
MAC (1): Buffalo
AAC (1): Tulane
MWC (0): None

URA Members
MAC (2): Buffalo, NIU
AAC (3): Tulane, SMU, Houston
MWC (1): New Mexico

Enrollment Size (Approximate)
MAC: Schools over 20k (12), Avg. 24k
AAC: Schools over 20k (8), Avg. 25k
MWC: Schools over 20k (7), Avg. 21.5k

Carnegie Classifications – Basic Classifications
Doctorate-granting Universities: Includes institutions that awarded at least 20 research doctoral degrees during the update year (excluding doctoral-level degrees that qualify recipients for entry into professional practice, such as the JD, MD, PharmD, DPT, etc.).
- RU/VH: Research Universities (very high research activity)
- RU/H: Research Universities (high research activity)
- DRU: Doctoral/Research Universities

Master's Colleges and Universities: Generally includes institutions that awarded at least 50 master's degrees and fewer than 20 doctoral degrees during the update year (with occasional exceptions – see Methodology).
- Master's/L: Master's Colleges and Universities (larger programs)
- Master's/M: Master's Colleges and Universities (medium programs)
- Master's/S: Master's Colleges and Universities (smaller programs)

Baccalaureate Colleges: Includes institutions where baccalaureate degrees represent at least 10 percent of all undergraduate degrees and where fewer than 50 master's degrees or 20 doctoral degrees were awarded during the update year. (Some institutions above the master's degree threshold are also included; see Methodology.)
- Bac/A&S: Baccalaureate Colleges—Arts & Sciences
- Bac/Diverse: Baccalaureate Colleges—Diverse Fields
- Bac/Assoc: Baccalaureate/Associate's Colleges

Carnegie Classifications – Graduate Instructional Program Classification
CompDoc/MedVet: Comprehensive doctoral with medical/veterinary
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in the humanities, social sciences, and STEM* fields, as well as in medicine, dentistry, and/or veterinary medicine. They also offer professional education in other health professions or in fields such as business, education, engineering, law, public policy, or social work.

CompDoc/NMedVet: Comprehensive doctoral (no medical/veterinary)
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in the humanities, social sciences, and STEM* fields. They also offer professional education in fields such as business, education, engineering, law, public policy, social work, or health professions other than medicine, dentistry, or veterinary medicine.

Doc/STEM: Doctoral, STEM dominant
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in a range of fields, and the largest number of research doctorates were in the STEM* fields. They may also offer professional education at the doctoral level or in fields such as law or medicine.

Doc/Prof: Doctoral, professions dominant
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in a range of fields, and the largest number of research doctorates were in professions other than engineering (such as education, health professions, public policy, or social work). They may also offer professional education in law or medicine.

S-Doc/Ed: Single doctoral (education)
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in education but not in other fields (they may have more extensive offerings at the master's or professional level).

Postbac-Comp: Postbaccalaureate comprehensive
These institutions awarded master’s degrees in the humanities, social sciences, and STEM* fields, as well as degrees in one or more professional fields.

Research Associations
AAU Member
The Association of American Universities (AAU) is an association of 60 U.S. and two Canadian preeminent public and private research universities, founded in 1900, that focuses on national and institutional issues that are important to research-intensive universities, including funding for research, research and education policy, and graduate and undergraduate education.

URA Member
The Universities Research Association, Inc. (URA) is a consortium of 86 leading research-oriented universities, located primarily in the United States with two other members in Canada and one each in Japan, Italy and the United Kingdom, founded in 1965 under the directive of the U.S. Presidential Advisory Committee and the National Academy of Sciences for management and operation of research facilities in the national interest.

Pedigree Post

(06-10-2013 06:08 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  One thing I left out of the original post was the "Pedigree" category that looks at the history and origin of the University.

Pedigree Breakdown
MAC
1 Flagship (UMass)
1 Private Medical School turn State Flagship (Buffalo)
1 Old Public/Public Ivy (Miami)
1 Old Public (Ohio)
6 Normal Schools (NIU, BGSU, Kent State, WMU, EMU, CentMich)
1 Private Normal turn State Normal (Ball State)
2 Private Schools turn Public (Toledo, Akron)

AAC
1 Agricultural School turn Land Grant Flagship (UConn)
1 Medical School (Tulane)
2 Private Religious (SMU, Tulsa)
1 Normal School (Memphis)
3 Public (Cincinnati, South Florida, Central Florida)
1 Teaching (East Carolina)
1 Private Night School turn Public (Temple)
1 Military Academy (Navy)
1 Junior College (Houston)

MWC
4 Flagships (New Mexico, Hawaii, Nevada, Wyoming)
2 Land Grants (Colorado State, Utah State)
3 Normal Schools (SJSU, SDSU, Fresno)
1 Extension/Branch turn separate University (UNLV)
1 Military Academy (Air Force)
1 Junior College (Boise State)

Football Profile/History Post

(08-04-2013 01:26 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  The following speaks specifically to the similarities in football history/profile that I mentioned in the original post.

At least one AAC poster gets it (link):

(07-24-2013 06:52 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  There are 10 conferences.

From the Group of 5, there are 3 leagues where 75%+ of the members have been playing the highest level of college football since D-1A was created in 1978:

MAC
MWC
American

Out of the SunBelt and C-USA combined, only Rice, Southern Miss, UTEP, NM St and ULaLa have been playing the top level of college football continuously since 1978. You aren't losing much in the history and tradition of college football if those 2 leagues are not invited.

Accordingly, I hope the MAC, MWC and American (along with BYU and Army) band together and demand to be grandfathered in based on history, assuming we are willing to commit to the new Divisional structure.

For example, currently schools must sponsor at least 14 sports to be a FBS football program. I can see that number jumping to 20 or more to stay upper division football. See this article.

Of the 65 teams in the Power 5 conferences, 23 sponsor 16-19 sports. 26 sponsor 20-23 sports. And only 16 sponsor 24+ sports.

He goes into a little more detail here.

(07-24-2013 01:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The division I, II, and III structure was created in 1973. Division I-A and I-AA started in 1978.

Originally, there were ~140 teams in I-A. In 1982, it dropped to ~114. And in 1986, it dropped again to the 104-108 range where it stayed for nearly 10 years.

In 1995, I-A membership started to swell, and today there are ~125 FBS schools.

Aside from the power 5 (assuming the big 12 is the successor to the Big 8), the only conference that has been division I-A every year is the MAC.

There are 102 schools that have played at the highest level of college football continuously since 1978...

...Historically speaking, if the power 5 want to create a new football division, then the MAC, MWC and American should be given the option to join in addition to Army and BYU.

This would get I-A or FBS back to 104 teams, the smallest it ever was in the mid 1980s.

I suggested something similar here.

(05-30-2013 09:19 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Eight 14-team conferences make for 112 teams.

The contract conferences are at 64 teams. MAC, MWC, AAC, plus 3 Independents of Notre Dame, BYU, Army are 40. That's 104 teams, leaving room for up to 8 more teams.

The CUSA and Sun Belt can drop to FCS since they are full of FCS call ups anyway. Just need to bring up the few teams stuck there now that belong with the group of 112 (Southern Miss, Rice).

Eight Conferences, Eight Conference Champions, Eight Playoff spots.

It's hilarious and SAD that both of his threads got ZERO responses (Don't look behind the curtain and see that the AAC is no better than the MAC).

Once again, MAC ≥ MWC/AAC.

^^ Where have you been?

(08-06-2013 03:47 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  BTW, I looked up the AAC and Mountain West (and from that, I won't waste my time on the Sun Belt or CUSA ... outside of Marshall, which sponsors 15 sports).

Both leagues look a lot like the MAC:

AAC
1. Navy - 26
2. Connecticut -22
2. Temple - 22
4. Memphis - 18
5. Cincinnati - 17
5. South Florida - 17
7. SMU - 16
7. Tulsa - 16
9. Central Florida - 15
9. Houston - 15
9. Tulane - 15
12. East Carolina - 14

Mountain West
1. Air Force - 27
2. New Mexico - 19
3. UNLV - 18 (that counts men's and women's cheer. Serious question, does that count?)
3. Fresno State - 18
3. San Diego State - 18
6. Boise State - 17
6. San Jose State - 17
8. Nevada-Reno - 16
9. Colorado State - 15
9. Wyoming - 15
11. Utah State -12 (how is this possible?)

The service academies and private school Temple skews things. Take those out and the only public school in any of the three leagues (MAC, AAC, Mountain West) that is above 20 is Connecticut, which I don't think anybody will argue is next in line for a spot with the big boys.

Overall, the MAC is pretty much equal to the Mountain West in terms of schools that offer the most sports. The MAC is not that far off from the AAC, either, especially if you only compare public schools.

The eye-opener was Cincinnati only offering 17 sports. Three Ohio MAC schools (Akron, BG and Miami) offer more sports. I never would've guessed that without looking it up. Then again, I never would've guessed "the flagship" only offered15.

EDIT: Based on average No. of sports, it breaks down like this:

AAC-17.75
MTW- 17.45
MAC - 16.75 (16.92 counting UMass)

However, take the service academies out of the AAC (Navy) and MTW (Air Force), it looks like this:
AAC- 17
MAC - 16.75 (16.92 counting UMass)
MTW- 16.5

Or how about Army joining the MAC? (I know it's been discussed)
AAC-17.75
MTW- 17.45
MAC- 17.42 (assuming UMass and Army would join full-time to make it 14).

Wrong, ECU sponsors 19 varsity sports.

If we're talking ATHLETIC conferences then the statistics comparing the leagues should be sports related...

Sports budgets, tv ratings, attendance, top 25 teams, etc...

Also, if Army is going to join a conference my bet would be to join Navy in the American - where they have an open invite.


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(03-04-2014 08:52 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  If we're talking ATHLETIC conferences then the statistics comparing the leagues should be sports related...

Sports budgets, tv ratings, attendance, top 25 teams, etc...

Also, if Army is going to join a conference my bet would be to join Navy in the American - where they have an open invite.


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If you think the conference, especially the big ones, are exclusively oriented around athletics you're nuts..

FWIW, Marshall sponsors 16 sports. I don't know why people bother with this. The P5 leagues are set and they will not let anyone else into the party. Would you want to add another member and take less payout money as a result. Torch is correct, build within alumni and students, develop competitive, winning programs and continue to move forward academically. None of us will be able to compete financially over the long haul. I seriously doubt the state of Ohio will pump more money into the coffers to allow MAC schools to compete or try with tOSU.

Enjoy your school, support your school financially and relax. No need to wring the hands and gnash the teeth.

The University of Massachusetts today released its first annual performance measurement report that uses a rating system to assess the University's progress in achieving 21 goals across six priority areas, ranging from the experiences of its students to the impact of its research to how well it manages its finances.

UMass Performance report