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(06-10-2013 07:30 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  
(06-09-2013 08:11 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(06-09-2013 07:51 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Wow, so in depth. And where did I say anything about giving into the desires of terrorists?

This conversation is useless, you can't get past what you hear and regurgitate from talk radio. Maybe, hopefully, someone else can weigh in and give Dip a rest? PLUUUUUHHHEEAASSE!!?!

As usual you throw out a simple idea, but when confronted with the details you throw up your hands and claim it's Limbaugh's fault.

You threw out the idea that "they" must hate us because of something we have done. The old America is an oppressive imperialist nation. If we've been so oppressive, why is it that every time we win a war we rebuild and leave. Name another country that has done that?

So tell us oh wise one, what have we done to them to make them hate us. Why are we at fault and deserving of terrorist attacks?

Could it be that their backwards culture is unpopular and rather than adjust, they blame it on the influences of Western culture. Nahhhhh, has to be something the evil Americans did. 03-drunk03-drunk

God you're an idiot, where did I say we were at fault? Where did I say that we should cave?

I even prefaced the question with "please don't answer with those boring, simple Dip like answers" or something to that extent, yet you persist.

Do you really like being anticipated for being a bozo and then playing right along as if it were a skit?! This was too easy.

DB, just once could you address the details without accusing someone of changing the subject, being off topic, or not understanding your vague point of view. Your MO never changes. When you can't debate the points of the discussion you try and discredit the messenger.
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(06-10-2013 07:55 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  When I read that we (America) must have done something to piss these people off, I'd like to hear some possible reasons why

50 years of American imperialism in the Middle East.

Do you need more specifics?
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(06-10-2013 06:20 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  Why don't we see terrorism in Michigan? Dearborn is the largest muslim city in the world outside of a Muslim country. I know we had the shoe bomber but you would think we would be the third coast for terrorism.

For the most part American muslims have tried to assimilate into our culture, and Dearborn is a classic example. Muslim's are not trying to assimilate into European cultures, but rather are bringing Sharia law to some communities and intimidating the locals into accepting their values and customs. Europeans have about had it, and the killing of the British soldier may have been the last straw.
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(06-10-2013 08:21 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(06-10-2013 07:55 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  When I read that we (America) must have done something to piss these people off, I'd like to hear some possible reasons why

50 years of American imperialism in the Middle East.

Do you need more specifics?

50 years of American imperialism? Let me get this straight, we never occupied or governed a single country in the Middle East. Did we exploit their resources? Well, U.S. companies built the infrastructure to get it out of the ground, and provided a stable market to sell it to. We're talking oil that costs about $2 a barrel to extract and sells for around a $100 a barrel here. Seems to me these poor exploited Middle Eastern countries have made out pretty good.

Who is stopping the people of Saudia Arabia from rising up against their monarchy? American imperialist?

You folks like to throw the term American imperialism around as if it really means what it once meant. When the Brits occupied India with brute force and exploited their resources, that was imperialism. Today if an American company owns a banana farm in El Salvador you equate that to imperialism. Toyota manufactures a lot of cars in America, so I guess the Japanese are imperialists too, perhaps we should unleash some terrorist attacks on them.

You do the same thing with race. Separate schools, hotels, restaurants, etc. was clearly racist. Today, if you question the policies of our president you have Chris Matthews labeling you a racist.
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(06-10-2013 08:25 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Muslim's are not trying to assimilate into European cultures, but rather are bringing Sharia law to some communities and intimidating the locals into accepting their values and customs.

Like how?
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(06-10-2013 09:08 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(06-10-2013 08:25 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Muslim's are not trying to assimilate into European cultures, but rather are bringing Sharia law to some communities and intimidating the locals into accepting their values and customs.

Like how?

Quote:A small group of Muslim extremists are patrolling the streets of East London, publicly targeting gays, drinkers and women who aren’t dressed modestly, in an attempt to enforce Sharia law.
The self-styled “Muslim Patrol” group has posted videos of at least three verbal attacks on YouTube. Out of the handful who participate in the attacks, at least five have been arrested on suspicion of harassment, according to CNN. The group’s alleged purpose is to defend Islamic morals, but numerous local and national Muslim leaders have denounced their dubious methods.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/mu...z2VrzuEjZP

Quote:A Muslim group in Denmark has launched a campaign to turn parts of Copenhagen and other Danish cities into "Sharia Law Zones" that would function as autonomous enclaves ruled by Islamic law. The Danish Islamist group Kaldet til Islam (Call to Islam) says the Tingbjerg suburb of Copenhagen will be the first part of Denmark to be subject to Sharia law, followed by the Nørrebro district of the capital and then other parts of the country, the center-right Jyllands-Posten newspaper reported on October 17.
Call to Islam says it will dispatch 24-hour Islamic 'morals police' to enforce Sharia law in those enclaves. The patrols will confront anyone caught drinking alcohol, gambling, going to discothèques or engaging in
http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index....icle=52983

There are boat loads of similar articles if you'd like me to post more.......................
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(06-10-2013 03:02 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(06-10-2013 02:37 PM)Tommyboy Wrote:  
(06-09-2013 09:27 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Tommy
Quote:How about our government sponsored the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Iran for wanting something as ridiculous as a real share in the country's oil wealth, then replaced that government with a corrupt, tyrannical, monarchy.

So the Shah of Iran (our puppet) was replaced by Ayatollah Khomeini (their guy), who has basically turned the most educated country in the Middle East into a penniless third world dictatorship. Yeah, they really came out ahead on that one. 03-drunk03-drunk

Nothing much changed for the people, except now they have 'a say' in who runs the government, through democratic elections even. Really not much different than here, just that here the real power stays hidden and uses bribes err... campaign donations to buy influence.

Do you follow the news? They had an election and Ahmadinejad won. The people thought it was rigged, and took to the streets, asking Obama to support their cause. Our great leader responded by taking a vacation and playing a few rounds of golf. Crickets. 01-ncaabbs

Sounds a lot like what people say has been happening here, dead men voting, people voting multiple times etc... or have you not made those very claims on this board in the past few months?

Quote:but numerous local and national Muslim leaders have denounced their dubious methods.
This is what is needed real muslims standing up to those who twist the religion, but in most of the world fear has made them silent.
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I asked a question and asked to not have the usual knee jerk response, guess that got lost on you Dip. What's great is seeing you get your ears boxed in by the others here.

Too easy. Wish the cartman emoticon were still around right now.
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(06-10-2013 10:17 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  I asked a question and asked to not have the usual knee jerk response, guess that got lost on you Dip. What's great is seeing you get your ears boxed in by the others here.

Too easy. Wish the cartman emoticon were still around right now.

Too easy= You haven't a clue how to respond

The usual knee jerk reaction? You mean pointing out things that have actually happened. You mean holding people accountable for their actions. Yeah, when reality gets in the way of your vague and wishy washy point you call it a knee jerk reaction, go figure.

America must have done something to make them mad at us, we need to apologize more. 03-weeping
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Quote:Do you follow the news? They had an election and Ahmadinejad won. The people thought it was rigged, and took to the streets, asking Obama to support their cause. Our great leader responded by taking a vacation and playing a few rounds of golf. Crickets. 01-ncaabbs

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Quote:Sounds a lot like what people say has been happening here, dead men voting, people voting multiple times etc... or have you not made those very claims on this board in the past few months?

Seriously Tommy, you want to compare the Iranian government to ours???? Hopeless..................
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Yep the personal shots, dripping sarcasm all part of YOUR MO when you realized that you stepped in it and are looking like a simpleton who is reduced to reciting what he hears from his right wing news sources.

I asked a fair question and asked that it receive serious thought, and you come along with your Hooterville version of reality as the all knowing Dip and proceed to pop off with the standard fare answers that invalidate the whole discussion. "They dum", "Dem some loons out dere, yeah uh huh".

Seriously, I expect better but I'm not surprised at your nastiness and attempts to press buttons after I pointed out what a stooge you look like. Typical.

These guys served you. You're getting slow old man.
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Clearly you don't want to defend your own position, but would rather lob insults in the hope that no one notices you're an empty suit when it comes to politics. Here was your original statement.

(06-09-2013 01:13 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Who's they?

Maybe we look at why people hate us as a country so much that they want to inflict great harm on us arbitrarily while we're doing the introspection. This time cut right past the simple, easy, (easy = stupid) "they're crazy", and "they're religious zealots", etc etc. That rhetoric gets thrown out and they eyes glaze over and that's the end of the discussion. I suspect it's much deeper than that.

Ahh, the oracle of BroncoStampede has spoken. His eyes glaze over if he doesn't get the answer he likes. However, he NEVER PRODUCES the answer he desires, he just belittles everyone elses answer. He's never right, but he's never wrong 04-rock

Here are a few examples of Muslim outrage. Please tell us the deep rooted motive for these killings of innocent people. I've already stated that they hate Western influences on their culture, and you dismissed that as "simple," so don't go down that road and use that as your reasoning. Let's here something original DB.

9-11 Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are we at fault and if so HOW?

Lockerbee Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are we at fault and if so HOW?

SS Cole Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are we at fault and if so HOW?

Boston Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are we at fault and if so HOW?

Beslam School Hostage taking by Chechnyan Muslims killing 380 school children Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are were the Russians at fault and if so HOW?

British Soldier bludgeoned in the street by Muslims Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are were the British at fault and if so HOW?
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(06-10-2013 07:55 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(06-10-2013 04:10 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  Reading your posts is like listening to Fox news CD. Pure ideology with a few insults thrown in.

And reading yours are like listening to NPR and MessNBC. Pure left wing tripe. I always notice that when you lefties try to rebut something you leave out any specifics and try to paint with a broad brush to discredit where the info "might" have come from.

If you read, listen, and watch something besides dumbed down sources like USA Today or the nightly network news, you'll get something beyond a glossed over 15 second sound bite of news information. I see way too much of that here. ESSS, Mile High, Brovol and a few others come across as well read and informed. Others remind me of watching the Today Show for their hard news. When I read responses such as "The Muslim immigrant who tried to decapitate the British soldier was fighting a war," I can only roll my eyes in disbelief.

When I read that we (America) must have done something to piss these people off, I'd like to hear some possible reasons why, not just mindless blather and conjecture. The blame America crowd is great at broadly pointing the finger at the U.S., but they're not very good at being specific.

Your post just reinforces my point. Ideology with labels and a few insults thrown in. If nothing else, you are predictable.
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Quote:Your post just reinforces my point. Ideology with labels and a few insults thrown in. If nothing else, you are predictable.

Ideology with labels..............Ohhh I see. So it's fine if you imply that my source of information is beneath you, but when turned back on you it's not fair play. Speaking of predictable.

Do any of you lefties deal in specifics? Do any of you source your info? Do you ever have a reasoned response that doesn't speak in broad generalities. I'm not holding my breath.
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(06-11-2013 08:33 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
Quote:Your post just reinforces my point. Ideology with labels and a few insults thrown in. If nothing else, you are predictable.

Ideology with labels..............Ohhh I see. So it's fine if you imply that my source of information is beneath you, but when turned back on you it's not fair play. Speaking of predictable.

Do any of you lefties deal in specifics? Do any of you source your info? Do you ever have a reasoned response that doesn't speak in broad generalities. I'm not holding my breath.

Back up CD. I never supported MSNBC or any other networks news reporting. I decry FOX news for being so far right. They are as far right as MSNBC is as far left. I don't watch either or parrot their statements or positions. You call us Lefties but you are doing the labeling in this thread. My position is that FOX cannot handle dissention and reacts with demeaning and insulting comments as a response. Your posts do likewise. Hence the comparison.
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When did I source FOX...................oh wait, you did on my behalf.

I love how you and DB want to be seen as original thinkers, but assume anyone whose view doesn't mirror yours must be getting their information from less than credible sources.

Frankly, I haven't a clue what your position is on this topic, as you and DB never go down that road, you only cast doubt on opinions you don't like. How bout taking the giant leap and answering the question..............Why do they, i.e. Muslim loons, continue to try and kill innocent people? Are they crazy, are they religious zealots, or is it something much deeper, and what might that be?
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(06-11-2013 07:53 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Clearly you don't want to defend your own position, but would rather lob insults in the hope that no one notices you're an empty suit when it comes to politics. Here was your original statement.

(06-09-2013 01:13 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Who's they?

Maybe we look at why people hate us as a country so much that they want to inflict great harm on us arbitrarily while we're doing the introspection. This time cut right past the simple, easy, (easy = stupid) "they're crazy", and "they're religious zealots", etc etc. That rhetoric gets thrown out and they eyes glaze over and that's the end of the discussion. I suspect it's much deeper than that.

Ahh, the oracle of BroncoStampede has spoken. His eyes glaze over if he doesn't get the answer he likes. However, he NEVER PRODUCES the answer he desires, he just belittles everyone elses answer. He's never right, but he's never wrong 04-rock

Here are a few examples of Muslim outrage. Please tell us the deep rooted motive for these killings of innocent people. I've already stated that they hate Western influences on their culture, and you dismissed that as "simple," so don't go down that road and use that as your reasoning. Let's here something original DB.

9-11 Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are we at fault and if so HOW?

Lockerbee Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are we at fault and if so HOW?

SS Cole Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are we at fault and if so HOW?

Boston Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are we at fault and if so HOW?

Beslam School Hostage taking by Chechnyan Muslims killing 380 school children Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are were the Russians at fault and if so HOW?

British Soldier bludgeoned in the street by Muslims Tell me DB, were they crazy, religious zealots, or are were the British at fault and if so HOW?

Selling it pretty hard Dip, STILL trying to deflect that you stepped in it pretty hard and now are trying to push this on me as I believe those things?

Quote:Clearly you don't want to defend your own position, but would rather lob insults in the hope that no one notices you're an empty suit when it comes to politics. Here was your original statement.


What is my "own position" Dip? I asked a question, and it can't be as simple as a SIMPLETON like you would like it to be, but yet you can't get away from that simple minded thinking. Why?
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Still baiting as always, I see. Dip has a good point there.

You rarely, if ever state your own position. I'm kind of curious now.
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Dip, terrorism is not about religion: it is about politics, solve the political issues and the supporters of the religious extremes go away. I cite Ireland as an example, the Catholic/Protestant issue went away when the political differences were solved.

If the political issues in the Middle East are solved the radicals won't be able recruit any more and Islamic terrorism dies. The problem is too many people want a simple and easy answer that doesn't include admission of guilt for creating those political problems and no sacrifice to solve the underlying issue. So they reach for labels to write people off with broad brush strokes. It is far easier for an Islamic terrorist to call us the 'great Satan' and blame us for his country's issues than to work to solve those issues from within. Or for a poor black in this country to say "the (white) Man is keeping me down" than to work and sacrifice to get up. Or for a politician to blame the opposition for the country's issues. It is all the same thing: scapegoating and a refusal to take responsibility. By having an external locus of control it becomes easy to play the victim, and what is worse is that it is self fulfilling, by giving up their power to affect change the change that happens just makes the situation worse, reinforcing the perceived victimization.
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According to some of the articles I have read about Islamic terrorism, it has nothing to do with being poor, oppressed, or uneducated. Mostly it is a tribal / cultural issue that goes back thousands of years. In order to move into position as a potential leader of the masses (having the ability to combine multiple tribes under one leader), these individual terrorist groups are competing with one another to show others they are capable of "great" things. Bin Laden is the prime example of this.

In order to demonstrate their skills as a leader, and to get other tribes to follow them, they have to prove themselves vs. a formidable foe. The US certainly fits the bill. When Bin Laden attacked the US he was seen by many as "the guy". That is the reason he was able to draw fighters from all over the Arab world and from different tribes, and may explain how he was able to hide out in Pakistan for so long.

Competition for leadership is also the reason for all of the infighting in Iraq between Sunis and Shiites. The vacuum left in the absence of Saddam, and the utter hatred of democracy (goes against the Islamic form and preference for leadership) has created a perfect scenario for the tribal battles that have always been a part of the culture. It isn't the US that is being hated there any longer, so they pick on one another.

Keep these thoughts in mind as Sen. McCain and others start beating drums about going into another war in Syria. The US is in no position to win or change the culture in the Middle East. As soon as we enter the Syrian fight, the US will become the hated enemy of both sides.

Trying to tie logic and root causes to Islamic terrorism is a waste of time.
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