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Western Carolina AD comments on expansion
some candid comments.

http://www.catamountsports.com/ot/ask-the-ad.html

this in particular is interesting to me:

Quote:Elon and College of Charleston were asked to strengthen the southern flank of the Colonial, and in part due to the Colonial’s desire to increase the number of private institutions among their ranks.


As we all know, increasing private schools with limited ceilings is not in our best interest.

PS- cue the JMU crowd complaining about why Bourne doesn't do something like this on the JMU athletics page.
06-04-2013 10:58 AM
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Neither WCU nor CofC are private institutions.
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RE: Western Carolina AD comments on expansion
Don't we need to wait for Carr to tell us if a move is feasible before they comment?




Wouldn't it be bad if JMU said we're trying to move up and Carr said - 1aa is best for JMU?

I'm curious what they come back with.
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(06-04-2013 11:52 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Don't we need to wait for Carr to tell us if a move is feasible before they comment?




Wouldn't it be bad if JMU said we're trying to move up and Carr said - 1aa is best for JMU?

I'm curious what they cone back with.

Dukester, you already know the answer. We aren't paying Carr to tell us to stay 1AA!
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RE: Western Carolina AD comments on expansion
(06-04-2013 10:58 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  some candid comments.

http://www.catamountsports.com/ot/ask-the-ad.html

this in particular is interesting to me:

Quote:Elon and College of Charleston were asked to strengthen the southern flank of the Colonial, and in part due to the Colonial’s desire to increase the number of private institutions among their ranks.


As we all know, increasing private schools with limited ceilings is not in our best interest.

PS- cue the JMU crowd complaining about why Bourne doesn't do something like this on the JMU athletics page.

He also said this:

Quote:The decisions made by Elon and College of Charleston were admissions driven. Both of these institutions decided to join the Colonial Athletic Association to utilize the presence of their athletic teams to try and gain additional students from the Mid-Atlantic region. In neither case was athletic competition a motivating factor for either institution, it simply came down to trying to increase student enrollment, specifically from a region where each institution already draws a large percentage of their respective student bodies.
(emphasis mine)

This is most likely an attempt to help the fanbase feel better, having lost several of its high-profile teams, but even with App State and Ga Southern in the conference, you could have made a very effective argument the CAA was stronger overall. Is he saying the future CAA is no stronger than the future Southern Conference?

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Even with the losses the CAA has had, they will be way stronger than the southern conference, even in baseball.
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RE: Western Carolina AD comments on expansion
(06-04-2013 12:06 PM)hburg Wrote:  Even with the losses the CAA has had, they will be way stronger than the southern conference, even in baseball.

He he "they".

You mean "we".


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(06-04-2013 12:09 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 12:06 PM)hburg Wrote:  Even with the losses the CAA has had, they will be way stronger than the southern conference, even in baseball.

He he "they".

You mean "we".


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(06-04-2013 12:06 PM)hburg Wrote:  Even with the losses the CAA has had, they will be way stronger than the southern conference, even in baseball.

This was the first year since 2004 that the CAA had a higher RPI than the SoCon in baseball. The SoCon, is losing four of its top 6 baseball schools so going forward the CAA is likely to be the stronger baseball conference. Newcomers Mercer and ETSU were both in the NCAA tournament this year, so that will help the SoCon minimize some of the losses..
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RE: Western Carolina AD comments on expansion
(06-04-2013 11:52 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Don't we need to wait for Carr to tell us if a move is feasible before they comment?




Wouldn't it be bad if JMU said we're trying to move up and Carr said - 1aa is best for JMU?

I'm curious what they come back with.

I'm fairly certain that the JMU administration already knows what is in the Carr report. I doubt they're operating in a bubble and provide status and interim deliverables just like any consulting project. It's not like they're going to walk into a meeting with the administration with some binders in September and say "Here it is".

That said, I really don't need any comments on our intentions. That doesn't really seem to be too effective either way. Not that I give a crap about defending the CAA. It's not that, it's just that I don't see much good that can come out of it. If you say something, you get the fan base worked up in excitement which is good but it better damn well be final because if it falls through it's a disaster. Also, if anything is not final, I doubt the future conference members want rumors leaking out there from our administration. Just want some damn results.
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RE: Western Carolina AD comments on expansion
(06-04-2013 11:55 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 11:52 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Don't we need to wait for Carr to tell us if a move is feasible before they comment?




Wouldn't it be bad if JMU said we're trying to move up and Carr said - 1aa is best for JMU?

I'm curious what they cone back with.

Dukester, you already know the answer. We aren't paying Carr to tell us to stay 1AA!

Would Carr be charged with also digging into the numbers and pros/cons of what conference makes the most sense? Dollars and "fit" wise? Don't know how much falls under these consultants umbrella.
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RE: Western Carolina AD comments on expansion
I also don't understand the scope of the Carr group's work and what they're expected to deliver exactly. I think we all assume it's an assessment of whether we should go to an FBS conference but does anyone know if that's even the case?
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