(06-23-2013 03:14 PM)Murph29 Wrote:  We need athletic. But it would be nice to have ONE or two pure scorers who maybe aren't long or that quick but simply can shoot lights out.

That would sort of define SK wouldn't it?

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(06-23-2013 02:25 PM)subflea Wrote:  Athletic teams like Louisville?

Russ Smith, Behanan, and to certain extent Silva could hit jump shots.

I'm not asking for a team full of shooters, but one or two would be nice. I thought the UC teams that had that one shooter (Williams, Burton, Durden, Logan) to keep defenses honest were good teams. Hey, I'm not picky, I don't even need a long range shooter. Just someone who can hit a jump shot with some consistency. Heck, with this team, I'd take someone who can make layups with consistency.

Someone mentioned Redford for X. Yeah that kid was a liability on defense, but everyone in the gym would hold their breath every time that kid took a shot after he past the mid court line.

(06-23-2013 04:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 03:14 PM)Murph29 Wrote:  We need athletic. But it would be nice to have ONE or two pure scorers who maybe aren't long or that quick but simply can shoot lights out.

That would sort of define SK wouldn't it?

IMO Scorer....yes, but lights out, pure shooter...not so much. I think he's worked very hard to improve his shooting but he's not a dead eye shooter like some we've had in the past...Field, Lazelle, Darnell. I'd like just one Field Williams type, spot up shooter who can bust the zones or hit threes off the screen. SK is a very good all around scorer but hes at his best when hes attacking the basket and mixing in shots, but he gets in those prolonged spells where his form on his threes gets out of whack and he looks like he's rushing it. He's more like Lenny Stokes to me as a shooter in terms of him being able to hit some threes but isnt a pure shooter.

(06-23-2013 04:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 03:14 PM)Murph29 Wrote:  We need athletic. But it would be nice to have ONE or two pure scorers who maybe aren't long or that quick but simply can shoot lights out.

That would sort of define SK wouldn't it?

He would probably have to shoot better than 40% from the field to be considered a lights out shooter.

(06-23-2013 07:01 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Russ Smith, Behanan, and to certain extent Silva could hit jump shots. [/

Chane Behanan hasn't hit a jump shot since he was about 12 years old. The biggest criticism of Siva's game is his shooting, .288 from behind the 3 point line last year. Russ Smith I will give you as a decent jump shooter, but the first description most would make of him is that he is long and athletic.

(06-23-2013 07:35 PM)123az Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 04:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 03:14 PM)Murph29 Wrote:  We need athletic. But it would be nice to have ONE or two pure scorers who maybe aren't long or that quick but simply can shoot lights out.

That would sort of define SK wouldn't it?

He would probably have to shoot better than 40% from the field to be considered a lights out shooter.

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I'm talking more about a guy who can lights out hit threes. Maybe sacrifice a bit in other areas (quickness, ahtleticism) to have one guy on the roster who is just a pure shooter. Field is the type of guy who comes to mind. SK barely shot 30% from three last year. Apples and oranges really. SK is a great all around guard. Good mid range shooter, decent from three and even better when he's mixing in drives to rim. Nothing against any of our other guys just think that kind of role player would be nice to have.

Only problem with SK (and the other "Two Amigos" for that matter) was the ineffective players around them. When no one has a reason to take a team's post game seriously, then it leads to overplaying the perimeter.

(06-23-2013 10:19 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Only problem with SK (and the other "Two Amigos" for that matter) was the ineffective players around them. When no one has a reason to take a team's post game seriously, then it leads to overplaying the perimeter.

That hurt, and the fact that Cash couldn't shoot a lick after he got banged up a bit last year. We do need more of an inside presence to to open up things for our guards to get better looks.

(06-23-2013 01:59 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  "Very very quick and athletic"...."Really long, and incredibly athletic."

I am so sick of those attributes to describe a current or incoming UC player. Just once I'd like to read "Shot the ball really well" "Could make the mid-range jumper with regularity" "Was 5 for 8 on his 3 pointers" "Couldn't miss on his free throws".

This team needs scorers. "Athletic" teams don't win Championships.

A BIG AMEN !
Doesn't appear that Mick hired a good ' big man coach' either.

(06-23-2013 09:23 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 07:01 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Russ Smith, Behanan, and to certain extent Silva could hit jump shots. [/

Chane Behanan hasn't hit a jump shot since he was about 12 years old. The biggest criticism of Siva's game is his shooting, .288 from behind the 3 point line last year. Russ Smith I will give you as a decent jump shooter, but the first description most would make of him is that he is long and athletic.

Since when is 6'0 165 lbs "long and athletic"?

(06-24-2013 02:23 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 01:59 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  "Very very quick and athletic"...."Really long, and incredibly athletic."

I am so sick of those attributes to describe a current or incoming UC player. Just once I'd like to read "Shot the ball really well" "Could make the mid-range jumper with regularity" "Was 5 for 8 on his 3 pointers" "Couldn't miss on his free throws".

This team needs scorers. "Athletic" teams don't win Championships.

A BIG AMEN !
Doesn't appear that Mick hired a good ' big man coach' either.

Who coaches the big men?

(06-24-2013 08:24 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:23 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 07:01 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Russ Smith, Behanan, and to certain extent Silva could hit jump shots. [/

Chane Behanan hasn't hit a jump shot since he was about 12 years old. The biggest criticism of Siva's game is his shooting, .288 from behind the 3 point line last year. Russ Smith I will give you as a decent jump shooter, but the first description most would make of him is that he is long and athletic.

Since when is 6'0 165 lbs "long and athletic"?

It is wingspan relative to size. And Russ Smith is pretty long, but more than that he is just freakishly quick and fast. If he were of average d1 speed, he would not be a d1 player. He certainly wouldn't make it anywhere as a shooter or distributor.

Jason Maxiell is a perfect example of length being of prime importance. He is athletic and insanely long (wingspan) which allows him to play against taller players and have advantages over players his own height. Would Jason Maxiell have been a pro prospect if were of average length - I seriously doubt it.

I am all for recruiting the "dead eye" 3 pt guy, but I don't think a guy like that is a prerequisite to winning a NC.

IMO a NC championship caliber team is built on 2 things: A "next level" caliber PG (Or positionless type "G" if of the rare "do everything" Carmelo Anthony type) and a "next level" caliber post defender to erase defensive mistakes and protect the rim.

Once you have those two things - the rest of the roster can be made up of shooters, slashers, defensive specialists, garbage men, rebounding specialists etc etc etc. The overall quality of the rest the roster is hugely important but the mix of strengths, attributes is far less important.