I might have missed one or two but I guarantee the CUSA fans will not let me forget it, so throw them in Marshall fan. It's still aweful by comparsion.

You know, I was going to post all the big 5 wins the AAC will have in the same time frame just to give you a reference for those delusional people that think CUSA and the AAC are comparable football conferences. It was so overwhelming that I'm just going to post some of the better ones for the old Big East schools and Navy because they have so many.


Cincy
10-3 Pitt
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 Oregon State
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 Pitt
9-4 UConn
8-5 Oregon State
8-5 NC State
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Syracuse
8-5 UConn
7-6 Virginia Tech
7-6 Louisville
7-6 Louisville
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Vandy
etc

USF
11-2 West Virginia
9-4 Auburn
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Kansas
8-5 UConn
7-6 Florida State
7-6 Miami
6-7 Clemson
6-7 NC State
etc

UConn
11-2 Louisville
11-3 Cincy
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Pittsburg
8-5 Syracuse
8-5 Rutgers
7-6 South Carolina
6-6 Notre Dame
6-6 Louisville
etc

Navy
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Missouri
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Wake Forrest
6-6 Notre Dame
etc

Houston
9-4 Penn State
9-4 Oklahoma St
9-4 Texas Tech
6-8 UCLA
5-7 Miss State

ECU
10-4 Virginia Tech
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 NC State
4-8 North Carolina


UCF
6-7 Georgia
5-7 NC State
4-8 Boston College

Temple
8-5 UConn
2-10 Maryland

Tulsa
8-5 Notre Dame
6-7 Iowa State

SMU
11-2 TCU
6-7 Pitt
2-10 Washington State

Tulane
4-8 Rutgers

Memphis
0

Here is every team new CUSA beat again for comparison....

Quote:MTSU
8-5 Maryland
7-7 Georgia Tech
2-10 Maryland

USM
8-5 Virginia
3-9 Kansas
3-9 Virginia

Rice
7-6 Purdue
1-11 Kansas

FIU
7-6 Louisville

Marshall
7-6 Louisville

La Tech
4-8 Miss St
4-8 Virginia
2-10 Illinois
2-10 Miss

FAU
1-11 Minnisota

WKU
2-10 Kentucky

UAB/UNT/UTEP/ODU/UNCC/USTA
0

Anyone that really believes these conferences are comparable in football or that Navy is mediocre is smoking rock. There are just so many more higher quality wins AAC teams bring to the table in recent years it's a joke. You could try to claim it's from playing in the Big East but I see many wins over Bowl teams from Notre Dame, Auburn, Florida State, Penn State, Miami, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech, South Carolina etc. Big time schools with winning records. It's not even close what kind of programs are in each conference.

First off, counting Big East wins for the AAC is a bit flawed. Of course teams that played in the conference are going to have a bunch of wins over each other. Also, the same logic can be used for Navy. They play multiple games against power conference teams each year, where most C-USA teams play maybe a couple. You are completely leaving out the opportunities presented to each team, and not even noting the difference. Just a minor flaw in your otherwise fantastic logic.

Also, Navy is mediocre. You can claim they are a top team if you want, but in listing their quality wins, you listed wins over crap Notre Dame teams. You had a bunch of 8-5 teams listed that Navy beat as their quality wins. I think I saw one win over a 9 win Air Force team. I'm not saying Navy is worse than UAB, or anything near that stupid, I'm just saying Navy isn't some football power. Their style makes them more difficult to beat than anything else.

Why are people still feeding this troll?

Does football have Player Efficiency Ratings?

I expect all the Go5 teams and conferences to get much closer in quality while the auto bid leagues separate from us even more. The parity will come because unless you are in a bcs league, the only thing that will matter is the wins. Players are better off playing for a 1 loss FIU team than a 2 loss Uconn, USF or Cincy. It won't be long before the MWC (the best for now) and SBC (the worst for now) are equal.

(06-04-2013 08:18 PM)monarx Wrote:  I expect all the Go5 teams and conferences to get much closer in quality while the auto bid leagues separate from us even more. The parity will come because unless you are in a bcs league, the only thing that will matter is the wins. Players are better off playing for a 1 loss FIU team than a 2 loss Uconn, USF or Cincy. It won't be long before the MWC (the best for now) and SBC (the worst for now) are equal.

Perhaps I don't understand what you're saying.

Good coaches and good recruiters should almost always be able to consistently put better teams on the field. If the MWC has a better collection of coaches than the SBC on a consistent basis (which they should for a lot of reasons) the MWC should be a better conference the majority of the years.

(06-04-2013 06:22 PM)LR Eagle Wrote:  Why are people still feeding this troll?

Either because trolls need love or the mods on this board just don't give a damn.

(06-04-2013 06:18 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  First off, counting Big East wins for the AAC is a bit flawed. Of course teams that played in the conference are going to have a bunch of wins over each other.

You must have missed all the wins over good teams the Big East schools had like Auburn, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Notre Dame, South Carolina, etc in there as well.

Quote:Also, the same logic can be used for Navy. They play multiple games against power conference teams each year, where most C-USA teams play maybe a couple.

Wait. You are the same guy that was trying to tell me they didn't play or beat anyone a few post back, now are talking about how they play so many of these games? Hmm those 8+ win seasons look damn good when you put it like that.

(06-04-2013 06:18 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Also, Navy is mediocre. You can claim they are a top team if you want, but in listing their quality wins, you listed wins over crap Notre Dame teams. You had a bunch of 8-5 teams listed that Navy beat as their quality wins. I think I saw one win over a 9 win Air Force team.

You are still going to try to claim Navy is mediocre or a fraud like the other guy. They have more quality big 5 wins than your entire 14 team conference combined. Unreal. Compiling this list only gave me a much deeper respect for what they have been doing. Mediocre my ass, any time you beat Notre Dame that's big, any time you beat 8 win BCS teams, that's big. Period, even old CUSA teams could barely do that and none that are left did it much. You can't piece together as many quality wins like that from an entire conference combined as Navy has and you are going to call them mediocre. WTF ever.

(06-04-2013 09:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 06:18 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Also, Navy is mediocre. You can claim they are a top team if you want, but in listing their quality wins, you listed wins over crap Notre Dame teams. You had a bunch of 8-5 teams listed that Navy beat as their quality wins. I think I saw one win over a 9 win Air Force team.

You are still going to try to claim Navy is mediocre or a fraud like the other guy. Oh yeah like you said beat "no one", when they have more quality big 5 wins than your entire 14 team conference combined. Unreal. You can certainly drop that false crap about not beating anyone, because that's where you earn respect. Compiling this list only gave me a much deeper respect for what they have been doing. Mediocre my ass, any time you beat Notre Dame that's big, any time you beat 8 win BCS teams, that's big. Period. You can't piece together as many quality wins like that from an entire conference combined as Navy has and you are going to call them mediocre. WTF ever.

So, it is my entire 14 team conference. Notice you didn't say our, you said your. And that's exactly what you meant. If you don't want to be a part of the conference anymore, that's fine, but leave us the hell alone.

And yes, Navy is mediocre. They are nothing special. Good from time to time, but never great. You list of quality wins for Navy is a freaking joke. Not one of those wins would be considered a big time win. Southern Miss consistently fields better teams than some of those teams you listed. Just because they are in the Go5 does not make them great teams.

And no, Notre Dame has not been a good win for parts of the past decade. You argue that history means nothing in basketball, but then you are going to try and tell us any win over Notre Dame is big. You are such a fool.

Quote:And yes, Navy is mediocre. They are nothing special. Good from time to time, but never great. You list of quality wins for Navy is a freaking joke. Not one of those wins would be considered a big time win.

Compared to what? who? They have better Big 5 wins than your entire conference combined.

Quote:Southern Miss consistently fields better teams than some of those teams you listed. Just because they are in the Go5 does not make them great teams.

USM hasn't beat anywhere near the quality of teams of a USF or Cincy the last 5 years. Teams earn respect from beating big 5 schools. That's the reality, especially those with winning records and that are truely big time with 75k+ in their stadiums.

Quote:And no, Notre Dame has not been a good win for parts of the past decade. You argue that history means nothing in basketball, but then you are going to try and tell us any win over Notre Dame is big. You are such a fool.

Notre Dame was just in the National Title game this year. Navy beat an 8-5 Notre Dame team and a 6-6 one as well. I don't know what world you are living in, but look at that list above of new CUSA teams or even old CUSA teams. It's rare to beat any BCS program with 8+ wins for any non BCS school.

Any time you are in the non BCS and you beat any Big 5 conference team that has 6+ wins that's a big damn deal. Period. Your new conference only had 6 of those wins total combined. Navy had 5 of those wins themselves. In football you earn respect for beating Big 5 conference teams, especially teams like Notre Dame with 90k in the stadium. That 8-5 Notre Dame win alone is better than the 8-5 Maryland/UVA best of the new CUSA can sport. If Navy has done nothing, new cusa teams have beyond nothing to show.

(06-04-2013 08:44 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 08:18 PM)monarx Wrote:  I expect all the Go5 teams and conferences to get much closer in quality while the auto bid leagues separate from us even more. The parity will come because unless you are in a bcs league, the only thing that will matter is the wins. Players are better off playing for a 1 loss FIU team than a 2 loss Uconn, USF or Cincy. It won't be long before the MWC (the best for now) and SBC (the worst for now) are equal.

Perhaps I don't understand what you're saying.

Good coaches and good recruiters should almost always be able to consistently put better teams on the field. If the MWC has a better collection of coaches than the SBC on a consistent basis (which they should for a lot of reasons) the MWC should be a better conference the majority of the years.

I wasn't clear. Sorry. The AAC loses their advantages in recruiting because they are not BCS. And to get the last playoff spot, a team will need a great record. I would expect that there should be some semblance of equality amongst the Go5, and therefore a 1 loss sunbelt team will get equal or more consideration for that spot than a 2 loss AAC team. And while the MWC and AAC may be slightly stronger than the MAC and CUSA and CUSA and MAC stronger than the SB for now, that will go away as players realize there is no conference or school advantage that gets them to the playoff in th Go5, so they may as well go where they like the coaches and players, like the campus and location, like degree fields. Places near family. All the things that should be more important than conference or the name on the jersey. That's also what will give the BCS continued unfair advantages over the rest and bring parity to all the Go5 conferences. IMO.

Here are you bowl eligible Big 5 wins by comparison since 2007.

Quote:Cincy
10-3 Pitt
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 Oregon State
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 Pitt
9-4 UConn
8-5 Oregon State
8-5 NC State
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Syracuse
8-5 UConn
7-6 Virginia Tech
7-6 Louisville
7-6 Louisville
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Vandy

USF
11-2 West Virginia
9-4 Auburn
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Kansas
8-5 UConn
7-6 Florida State
7-6 Miami
6-7 Clemson
6-7 NC State

UConn
11-2 Louisville
11-3 Cincy
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Pittsburg
8-5 Syracuse
8-5 Rutgers
7-6 South Carolina
6-6 Notre Dame
6-6 Louisville

Navy
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Missouri
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Wake Forrest
6-6 Notre Dame

Houston
9-4 Penn State
9-4 Oklahoma St
9-4 Texas Tech
6-8 UCLA

ECU
10-4 Virginia Tech
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 NC State

UCF
6-7 Georgia

Temple
8-5 UConn

Tulsa
8-5 Notre Dame
6-7 Iowa State

SMU
11-2 TCU
6-7 Pitt


------------------CUSA------------------------------

MTSU
8-5 Maryland
7-7 Georgia Tech

USM
8-5 Virginia

Rice
7-6 Purdue

FIU
7-6 Louisville

Marshall
7-6 Louisville

These are the games conferences earn respect in.

AAC- 57
CUSA- 6

Why is jonesing still here other than to troll? All he's doing is conference pimping. He hasn't had anything good to say about cusa since the defection And should be relegated to the cusa smack board only

(06-04-2013 10:44 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  These are the games conferences earn respect in.

Bull Crap.... it's in player efficiency ratings, end of postseason RPIs and the CIT

(06-04-2013 11:38 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  Why is jonesing still here other than to troll? All he's doing is conference pimping. He hasn't had anything good to say about cusa since the defection And should be relegated to the cusa smack board only

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(06-04-2013 11:54 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  it's in player efficiency ratings

PER is about individual players and has nothing to do with team rankings #1. Not to mention that it's a different sport as well as 1 player in basketball which it rates is so much more valuable to a team success than 1 player in football. If you can't see value in it when talking about a player you are pretty blind.

Quote:end of postseason RPIs

Did I miss something? Are major conference wins in basketball not included in RPI's? If some team beats a 20 win Kentucky team I'd say that stands out, and usually they point it out in the selection show if the team is on the bubble as a big win. It would give the same kind of validation as a win over an 8 win Notre Dame and help in the RPI because you know the kind of teams Kentucky plays.

I like computer polls in football the problem is there are so many fewer games, especially OOC where conference face off, and even one game represents such a huge portion of your OOC SOS. That's why a win over quality major conference teams are even more huge in football and the fact that in football upsets are far more rare than basketball to begin with. When's a legit #1 in football ever lost to a Chaminade type team?

Quote: and the CIT

It's just one part of the season, like a bowl in football that goes into the whole picture of succees. Guess what RPI/Computer polls encompass them, marquee wins and bowls/postseason are part of it. In football with only 4 OOC games and 1 bowl it's really big.

(06-04-2013 10:44 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Here are you bowl eligible Big 5 wins by comparison since 2007.

Quote:Cincy
10-3 Pitt
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 Oregon State
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 Pitt
9-4 UConn
8-5 Oregon State
8-5 NC State
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Syracuse
8-5 UConn
7-6 Virginia Tech
7-6 Louisville
7-6 Louisville
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Vandy

USF
11-2 West Virginia
9-4 Auburn
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Kansas
8-5 UConn
7-6 Florida State
7-6 Miami
6-7 Clemson
6-7 NC State

UConn
11-2 Louisville
11-3 Cincy
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Pittsburg
8-5 Syracuse
8-5 Rutgers
7-6 South Carolina
6-6 Notre Dame
6-6 Louisville

Navy
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Missouri
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Wake Forrest
6-6 Notre Dame

Houston
9-4 Penn State
9-4 Oklahoma St
9-4 Texas Tech
6-8 UCLA

ECU
10-4 Virginia Tech
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 NC State

UCF
6-7 Georgia

Temple
8-5 UConn

Tulsa
8-5 Notre Dame
6-7 Iowa State

SMU
11-2 TCU
6-7 Pitt


------------------CUSA------------------------------

MTSU
8-5 Maryland
7-7 Georgia Tech

USM
8-5 Virginia

Rice
7-6 Purdue

FIU
7-6 Louisville

Marshall
7-6 Louisville

These are the games conferences earn respect in.

AAC- 57
CUSA- 6

How many were in conference? I wonder how many big 5 wins you'd get if you substituted... lets say team ABC, XYZ and QWE from Cusa, for USF, UConn and Cinci from the big east in that same time period?

nice try though

(06-04-2013 10:22 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 08:44 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 08:18 PM)monarx Wrote:  I expect all the Go5 teams and conferences to get much closer in quality while the auto bid leagues separate from us even more. The parity will come because unless you are in a bcs league, the only thing that will matter is the wins. Players are better off playing for a 1 loss FIU team than a 2 loss Uconn, USF or Cincy. It won't be long before the MWC (the best for now) and SBC (the worst for now) are equal.

Perhaps I don't understand what you're saying.

Good coaches and good recruiters should almost always be able to consistently put better teams on the field. If the MWC has a better collection of coaches than the SBC on a consistent basis (which they should for a lot of reasons) the MWC should be a better conference the majority of the years.

I wasn't clear. Sorry. The AAC loses their advantages in recruiting because they are not BCS. And to get the last playoff spot, a team will need a great record. I would expect that there should be some semblance of equality amongst the Go5, and therefore a 1 loss sunbelt team will get equal or more consideration for that spot than a 2 loss AAC team. And while the MWC and AAC may be slightly stronger than the MAC and CUSA and CUSA and MAC stronger than the SB for now, that will go away as players realize there is no conference or school advantage that gets them to the playoff in th Go5, so they may as well go where they like the coaches and players, like the campus and location, like degree fields. Places near family. All the things that should be more important than conference or the name on the jersey. That's also what will give the BCS continued unfair advantages over the rest and bring parity to all the Go5 conferences. IMO.

Thanks monarx.

(06-04-2013 10:44 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Here are you bowl eligible Big 5 wins by comparison since 2007.

Quote:Cincy
10-3 Pitt
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 Oregon State
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 Pitt
9-4 UConn
8-5 Oregon State
8-5 NC State
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Syracuse
8-5 UConn
7-6 Virginia Tech
7-6 Louisville
7-6 Louisville
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Vandy

USF
11-2 West Virginia
9-4 Auburn
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Kansas
8-5 UConn
7-6 Florida State
7-6 Miami
6-7 Clemson
6-7 NC State

UConn
11-2 Louisville
11-3 Cincy
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Pittsburg
8-5 Syracuse
8-5 Rutgers
7-6 South Carolina
6-6 Notre Dame
6-6 Louisville

Navy
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Missouri
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Wake Forrest
6-6 Notre Dame

Houston
9-4 Penn State
9-4 Oklahoma St
9-4 Texas Tech
6-8 UCLA

ECU
10-4 Virginia Tech
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 NC State

UCF
6-7 Georgia

Temple
8-5 UConn

Tulsa
8-5 Notre Dame
6-7 Iowa State

SMU
11-2 TCU
6-7 Pitt


------------------CUSA------------------------------

MTSU
8-5 Maryland
7-7 Georgia Tech

USM
8-5 Virginia

Rice
7-6 Purdue

FIU
7-6 Louisville

Marshall
7-6 Louisville

These are the games conferences earn respect in.

AAC- 57
CUSA- 6

This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Of course Cincy and USF have more of those wins....they were in a "Big 5" conference! DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP