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RE: UMass Ultimatum Time...
(06-03-2013 11:08 AM)TUVideoGuy Wrote:  
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(06-03-2013 10:19 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Finally we are having a good conversation.

Yes, when we propose adding an in-state rival, e.g., IL. State or Stony Brook, fans of the other MAC team in that state get upset. It becomes like UofM and MSU, state pride, and emotions get heated.

Personally, I think SUNY-UB vs. SUNY-SB would be GOOD for them and the MAC. Their annual FB game could be for the "SUNY Bowl".

I would like to see those two schools get into a spending war on athletics. Both schools have deep pockets. They are flag ship schools which can get $ from Albany or well healed donors.

As far as expansion contraction:

I ASSUME there is general agreement that one of these TWO SCENARIOS will be the ultimate fate of MAC expansion/contraction.

1). IF UMass signs on for all sports, we need #14. I propose Stony Brook as a very high ceiling, fast growing university/athletics not far from UMass. Other posters have different ideas for #14.

2). IF UMass does NOT sign-on for all sports, the MAC probably will ask them to terminate their FB membership and the MAC will remain at 12 schools probably for a very long time.

I further believe the following scenario very UNLIKELY to occur:

Drop UMass because they won't sign-on for all sports BUT add TWO different schools, e.g., JMU, Delaware.

I believe if UMass experiment fails, the MAC will have had enough of UCF, Temple and UMass and quit trying to expand.

I am not knocking stoney brook but I do not see them in the MAC as their stadium only holds 8,300k with no plans of expansion at least on their athletic site

Not far off normal MAC attendance figures.

Only EMU and an occasional other school get that low. 8,300 is obviously too small to have as a capacity for the stadium.
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RE: UMass Ultimatum Time...
(06-03-2013 01:19 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 12:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  You're basing every thing on HOPES and DREAMS.

And you are basing your arguments on a somewhat flawed point, that conferences cannot add FCS members because they weaken the overall league. How did having UMass around hurt NIU getting to the Orange Bowl or the league gaining 6 bowl bids? It didn't.

What you call hopes and dreams is potential in revenues, exposure, institutional fit, and potential bowl additions. That's what conferences run toward with their additions.

UMass hurt the league because they, along with Akron and EMU, couldn't beat anyone but FCS teams and each other and it contributes to the perception that NIU "didn't play anyone" and "had a week schedule".

I'm not concerned that the MAC's top teams won't find a way to continue to be successful if their conference schedule becomes more competitive, I'm concerned about what will happen to them if it doesn't.

Lots of teams can have potential and a track record of success in FBS, but if they just have potential and no track record then its just a crap shoot. A stable conference doesn't need crap shoots.

Look at the MAC's additions in the last 40 years- NIU and Marshall had been in the conference before, Temple and UCF were already in FBS, Akron, Buffalo and UMass were FCS call ups.

Which teams have had the most success? The ones with the most potential, or the ones with some potential and a history of performance at this level? Buffalo- 1 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the MAC, Akron- 5 winning seasons in 22. I'm not talking about bowl games or conference or division championships, I'm talking about how many times have they won more games than they've lost in a season.

Sorry if I'm not as optimistic about UMass and Stony Brook/James Madison/Whoever.
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(06-03-2013 02:05 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 01:19 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 12:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  You're basing every thing on HOPES and DREAMS.

And you are basing your arguments on a somewhat flawed point, that conferences cannot add FCS members because they weaken the overall league. How did having UMass around hurt NIU getting to the Orange Bowl or the league gaining 6 bowl bids? It didn't.

What you call hopes and dreams is potential in revenues, exposure, institutional fit, and potential bowl additions. That's what conferences run toward with their additions.

UMass hurt the league because they, along with Akron and EMU, couldn't beat anyone but FCS teams and each other and it contributes to the perception that NIU "didn't play anyone" and "had a week schedule".

I'm not concerned that the MAC's top teams won't find a way to continue to be successful if their conference schedule becomes more competitive, I'm concerned about what will happen to them if it doesn't.

Lots of teams can have potential and a track record of success in FBS, but if they just have potential and no track record then its just a crap shoot. A stable conference doesn't need crap shoots.

Look at the MAC's additions in the last 40 years- NIU and Marshall had been in the conference before, Temple and UCF were already in FBS, Akron, Buffalo and UMass were FCS call ups.

Which teams have had the most success? The ones with the most potential, or the ones with some potential and a history of performance at this level? Buffalo- 1 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the MAC, Akron- 5 winning seasons in 22. I'm not talking about bowl games or conference or division championships, I'm talking about how many times have they won more games than they've lost in a season.

Sorry if I'm not as optimistic about UMass and Stony Brook/James Madison/Whoever.

When NIU was added in 1975 they hadn't been in the conference before. They did have some success in the College Division. It was still a matter of potential at that point though. JMU has had some success in FCS, they have good attendance, and they aren't that far from the MAC footprint. Plus they aren't in the Northeast which is an NFL football area, if they think about football at all there. I think JMU has more potential than SB.
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(06-03-2013 02:05 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Lots of teams can have potential and a track record of success in FBS, but if they just have potential and no track record then its just a crap shoot. A stable conference doesn't need crap shoots.

Look at the MAC's additions in the last 40 years- NIU and Marshall had been in the conference before, Temple and UCF were already in FBS, Akron, Buffalo and UMass were FCS call ups.

Which teams have had the most success? The ones with the most potential, or the ones with some potential and a history of performance at this level? Buffalo- 1 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the MAC, Akron- 5 winning seasons in 22. I'm not talking about bowl games or conference or division championships, I'm talking about how many times have they won more games than they've lost in a season.

Sorry if I'm not as optimistic about UMass and Stony Brook/James Madison/Whoever.

As an Ohio fan who would not want to take (your lack of) football titles into account, you aren't far off from the views of top leagues in that regard. Even at the top with the schools the B1G, PAC14, or even the SEC (TA&M and Mizzu had 1 Big12 title combined) added.

TV and revenues are what bring about reallignment. Don't think numbers like these broadcast figures from UB's championship season didn't make the MAC office pleased to have added a market based on potential?:

The Ball State football team’s game vs. Buffalo in the Marathon Mid-American Conference Championship Game received a 1.7 rating on ESPN2, which set a league record for the most viewers to ever watch a game involving two MAC teams on the ESPN family of networks.

The Bulls appearance in the International Bowl against Connecticut saw a huge ratings swing from 2008 to 2009. This year's game got a national rating of 2.12 (or just over two million homes) up 33% from last year's number of 1.59 between Rutgers and Ball State. Locally, the game got a high 18.2 rating (70,400) [16.4 average] in cable households according to Time-Warner statistics. It was the most watched cable show in four years, higher even than the Buffalo Bills Monday Night broadcasts on ESPN in 2007 and 2008.

Buffalo's 10,500 tickets sold for the International Bowl ranked it second among all non-BCS programs in terms of tickets sold for bowl games. Only Navy, which sold 16,200 tickets to its game in Washington, DC (the Eagle Bank Bowl), sold more than Buffalo among non-BCS schools. Among schools that Buffalo outdrew at the ticket window were Arizona, North Carolina State, Kansas and Wake Forest.
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(06-03-2013 02:22 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 02:05 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Lots of teams can have potential and a track record of success in FBS, but if they just have potential and no track record then its just a crap shoot. A stable conference doesn't need crap shoots.

Look at the MAC's additions in the last 40 years- NIU and Marshall had been in the conference before, Temple and UCF were already in FBS, Akron, Buffalo and UMass were FCS call ups.

Which teams have had the most success? The ones with the most potential, or the ones with some potential and a history of performance at this level? Buffalo- 1 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the MAC, Akron- 5 winning seasons in 22. I'm not talking about bowl games or conference or division championships, I'm talking about how many times have they won more games than they've lost in a season.

Sorry if I'm not as optimistic about UMass and Stony Brook/James Madison/Whoever.

As an Ohio fan who would not want to take (your lack of) football titles into account, you aren't far off from the views of top leagues in that regard. Even at the top with the schools the B1G, PAC14, or even the SEC (TA&M and Mizzu had 1 Big12 title combined) added.

TV and revenues are what bring about reallignment. Don't think numbers like these broadcast figures from UB's championship season didn't make the MAC office pleased to have added a market based on potential?:

The Ball State football team’s game vs. Buffalo in the Marathon Mid-American Conference Championship Game received a 1.7 rating on ESPN2, which set a league record for the most viewers to ever watch a game involving two MAC teams on the ESPN family of networks.

The Bulls appearance in the International Bowl against Connecticut saw a huge ratings swing from 2008 to 2009. This year's game got a national rating of 2.12 (or just over two million homes) up 33% from last year's number of 1.59 between Rutgers and Ball State. Locally, the game got a high 18.2 rating (70,400) [16.4 average] in cable households according to Time-Warner statistics. It was the most watched cable show in four years, higher even than the Buffalo Bills Monday Night broadcasts on ESPN in 2007 and 2008.

Buffalo's 10,500 tickets sold for the International Bowl ranked it second among all non-BCS programs in terms of tickets sold for bowl games. Only Navy, which sold 16,200 tickets to its game in Washington, DC (the Eagle Bank Bowl), sold more than Buffalo among non-BCS schools. Among schools that Buffalo outdrew at the ticket window were Arizona, North Carolina State, Kansas and Wake Forest.

Good points.

ESPN does watch those television ratings carefully.

UB with a winning team can bring the Buffalo market. I for one wished that some of our bigger television market teams would win big.

There are only 3 FBS teams in New York: UB, 'Cuse and Army.

Any team which wins 8 games / season becomes a big television draw.

SB becomes a possible big fish as an 8 win team would excite both Long Island and get into the NYC market. SB has 150K alums which I'd think is a high number for the MAC.
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RE: UMass Ultimatum Time...
(06-03-2013 02:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 02:05 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 01:19 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 12:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  You're basing every thing on HOPES and DREAMS.

And you are basing your arguments on a somewhat flawed point, that conferences cannot add FCS members because they weaken the overall league. How did having UMass around hurt NIU getting to the Orange Bowl or the league gaining 6 bowl bids? It didn't.

What you call hopes and dreams is potential in revenues, exposure, institutional fit, and potential bowl additions. That's what conferences run toward with their additions.

UMass hurt the league because they, along with Akron and EMU, couldn't beat anyone but FCS teams and each other and it contributes to the perception that NIU "didn't play anyone" and "had a week schedule".

I'm not concerned that the MAC's top teams won't find a way to continue to be successful if their conference schedule becomes more competitive, I'm concerned about what will happen to them if it doesn't.

Lots of teams can have potential and a track record of success in FBS, but if they just have potential and no track record then its just a crap shoot. A stable conference doesn't need crap shoots.

Look at the MAC's additions in the last 40 years- NIU and Marshall had been in the conference before, Temple and UCF were already in FBS, Akron, Buffalo and UMass were FCS call ups.

Which teams have had the most success? The ones with the most potential, or the ones with some potential and a history of performance at this level? Buffalo- 1 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the MAC, Akron- 5 winning seasons in 22. I'm not talking about bowl games or conference or division championships, I'm talking about how many times have they won more games than they've lost in a season.

Sorry if I'm not as optimistic about UMass and Stony Brook/James Madison/Whoever.

When NIU was added in 1975 they hadn't been in the conference before. They did have some success in the College Division. It was still a matter of potential at that point though. JMU has had some success in FCS, they have good attendance, and they aren't that far from the MAC footprint. Plus they aren't in the Northeast which is an NFL football area, if they think about football at all there. I think JMU has more potential than SB.

I'm guessing he's talking about MAC/NIU part 2. NIU was in the MAC from 73-85 and rejoined again in 1997. Why did NIU leave in the first place?
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(06-03-2013 02:56 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 02:22 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 02:05 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Lots of teams can have potential and a track record of success in FBS, but if they just have potential and no track record then its just a crap shoot. A stable conference doesn't need crap shoots.

Look at the MAC's additions in the last 40 years- NIU and Marshall had been in the conference before, Temple and UCF were already in FBS, Akron, Buffalo and UMass were FCS call ups.

Which teams have had the most success? The ones with the most potential, or the ones with some potential and a history of performance at this level? Buffalo- 1 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the MAC, Akron- 5 winning seasons in 22. I'm not talking about bowl games or conference or division championships, I'm talking about how many times have they won more games than they've lost in a season.

Sorry if I'm not as optimistic about UMass and Stony Brook/James Madison/Whoever.

As an Ohio fan who would not want to take (your lack of) football titles into account, you aren't far off from the views of top leagues in that regard. Even at the top with the schools the B1G, PAC14, or even the SEC (TA&M and Mizzu had 1 Big12 title combined) added.

TV and revenues are what bring about reallignment. Don't think numbers like these broadcast figures from UB's championship season didn't make the MAC office pleased to have added a market based on potential?:

The Ball State football team’s game vs. Buffalo in the Marathon Mid-American Conference Championship Game received a 1.7 rating on ESPN2, which set a league record for the most viewers to ever watch a game involving two MAC teams on the ESPN family of networks.

The Bulls appearance in the International Bowl against Connecticut saw a huge ratings swing from 2008 to 2009. This year's game got a national rating of 2.12 (or just over two million homes) up 33% from last year's number of 1.59 between Rutgers and Ball State. Locally, the game got a high 18.2 rating (70,400) [16.4 average] in cable households according to Time-Warner statistics. It was the most watched cable show in four years, higher even than the Buffalo Bills Monday Night broadcasts on ESPN in 2007 and 2008.

Buffalo's 10,500 tickets sold for the International Bowl ranked it second among all non-BCS programs in terms of tickets sold for bowl games. Only Navy, which sold 16,200 tickets to its game in Washington, DC (the Eagle Bank Bowl), sold more than Buffalo among non-BCS schools. Among schools that Buffalo outdrew at the ticket window were Arizona, North Carolina State, Kansas and Wake Forest.

Good points.

ESPN does watch those television ratings carefully.

UB with a winning team can bring the Buffalo market. I for one wished that some of our bigger television market teams would win big.

There are only 3 FBS teams in New York: UB, 'Cuse and Army.

Any team which wins 8 games / season becomes a big television draw.

SB becomes a possible big fish as an 8 win team would excite both Long Island and get into the NYC market. SB has 150K alums which I'd think is a high number for the MAC.

Possible "Big Fish?". Please take this nonsense elsewhere.
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(06-03-2013 02:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 11:08 AM)TUVideoGuy Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 10:26 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 10:19 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Finally we are having a good conversation.

Yes, when we propose adding an in-state rival, e.g., IL. State or Stony Brook, fans of the other MAC team in that state get upset. It becomes like UofM and MSU, state pride, and emotions get heated.

Personally, I think SUNY-UB vs. SUNY-SB would be GOOD for them and the MAC. Their annual FB game could be for the "SUNY Bowl".

I would like to see those two schools get into a spending war on athletics. Both schools have deep pockets. They are flag ship schools which can get $ from Albany or well healed donors.

As far as expansion contraction:

I ASSUME there is general agreement that one of these TWO SCENARIOS will be the ultimate fate of MAC expansion/contraction.

1). IF UMass signs on for all sports, we need #14. I propose Stony Brook as a very high ceiling, fast growing university/athletics not far from UMass. Other posters have different ideas for #14.

2). IF UMass does NOT sign-on for all sports, the MAC probably will ask them to terminate their FB membership and the MAC will remain at 12 schools probably for a very long time.

I further believe the following scenario very UNLIKELY to occur:

Drop UMass because they won't sign-on for all sports BUT add TWO different schools, e.g., JMU, Delaware.

I believe if UMass experiment fails, the MAC will have had enough of UCF, Temple and UMass and quit trying to expand.

I am not knocking stoney brook but I do not see them in the MAC as their stadium only holds 8,300k with no plans of expansion at least on their athletic site

Not far off normal MAC attendance figures.

Only EMU and an occasional other school get that low. 8,300 is obviously too small to have as a capacity for the stadium.

SB's stadium was built for a school which was in its infancy as a football school. It is very small, but very nice, but expandable in design.

It seats 8,300 and has most of those seats on the press box side. They have maybe 2K in one end zone for students. The 'visitor side' has very few seats for visitors. The other end zone is grass; no seats.

They have put over 10K in that stadium with standees.

New York state has allocated $ for a future expansion, but it would take this and a second expansion to get up to minimal MAC standards.

http://threevillage.patch.com/groups/pol...-expansion

The problem as I see it is that the stadium can easily get to 15K but have trouble getting to 20K as the press box side and one end zone = 7,500.

If they did the same for the visitor side and other end zone it would be 15K (i.e., 7,500 x 2).

Quite frankly, it would make a beautiful CAA stadium but getting 20K without killing the design would be difficult.
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Looks like football scoop is on board with the story now. Front page of the site:

http://www.footballscoop.com/news/9847-c...ack-to-fcs
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I wonder if anyone actually knows something or if they're just parroting other sites which are getting it from other sites, etc. Reminds me of a Farside cartoon of a bunch of sheep but they're really all wolves in sheep's clothing and one wolf is saying to another "Wait a minute! Isn't anyone here a real sheep?"
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(06-03-2013 02:22 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  The Ball State football team’s game vs. Buffalo in the Marathon Mid-American Conference Championship Game received a 1.7 rating on ESPN2, which set a league record for the most viewers to ever watch a game involving two MAC teams on the ESPN family of networks.

yes, because everyone tuned into watch 7-5 Buffalo, and not the 12-0 12th ranked team in the nation with a pro prospect at QB. Next you're going to tell me that Buffalo is going to draw over 100K fans to their season opener.

look, I'm not knockin Buffalo or want them to leave, or am even mad at them. They're family. They're in. But as the newest member of the family they are an indication of what a transition from FCS to the MAC is like, in spite of a lot of positives and potential. IMO, UMass and SB or JMU, whoever has a higher probability of duplicating UB's and Akron's results than not.
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(06-03-2013 03:00 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 02:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 02:05 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 01:19 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 12:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  You're basing every thing on HOPES and DREAMS.

And you are basing your arguments on a somewhat flawed point, that conferences cannot add FCS members because they weaken the overall league. How did having UMass around hurt NIU getting to the Orange Bowl or the league gaining 6 bowl bids? It didn't.

What you call hopes and dreams is potential in revenues, exposure, institutional fit, and potential bowl additions. That's what conferences run toward with their additions.

UMass hurt the league because they, along with Akron and EMU, couldn't beat anyone but FCS teams and each other and it contributes to the perception that NIU "didn't play anyone" and "had a week schedule".

I'm not concerned that the MAC's top teams won't find a way to continue to be successful if their conference schedule becomes more competitive, I'm concerned about what will happen to them if it doesn't.

Lots of teams can have potential and a track record of success in FBS, but if they just have potential and no track record then its just a crap shoot. A stable conference doesn't need crap shoots.

Look at the MAC's additions in the last 40 years- NIU and Marshall had been in the conference before, Temple and UCF were already in FBS, Akron, Buffalo and UMass were FCS call ups.

Which teams have had the most success? The ones with the most potential, or the ones with some potential and a history of performance at this level? Buffalo- 1 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the MAC, Akron- 5 winning seasons in 22. I'm not talking about bowl games or conference or division championships, I'm talking about how many times have they won more games than they've lost in a season.

Sorry if I'm not as optimistic about UMass and Stony Brook/James Madison/Whoever.

When NIU was added in 1975 they hadn't been in the conference before. They did have some success in the College Division. It was still a matter of potential at that point though. JMU has had some success in FCS, they have good attendance, and they aren't that far from the MAC footprint. Plus they aren't in the Northeast which is an NFL football area, if they think about football at all there. I think JMU has more potential than SB.

I'm guessing he's talking about MAC/NIU part 2. NIU was in the MAC from 73-85 and rejoined again in 1997. Why did NIU leave in the first place?

They decided to go independent. Not sure why, thought they'd be big-time or something. It didn't work, so they joined the Big West to have a conference, then eventually got invited back to the MAC.
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Akron spent five years playing D-IA (FBS) as an independent before the MAC brought them on board, FYI. They were not a "call-up."


I live in NYC and can safely attest to the violent lack of interest in anything about Stony Brook here. It might as well be on the moon.
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(06-03-2013 04:08 PM)MacLord Wrote:  Akron spent five years playing D-IA (FBS) as an independent before the MAC brought them on board, FYI. They were not a "call-up."

I can tell folks that I followed every MAC expansion in the 90s (after Akron) and was the 'voice in the wilderness' on Marshall.

I posted on the old AOL.COM board that Marshall was a I-AA championship caliber team (and was a I-AA champ) and if they could play at that level that they could play in the MAC and I-A FB.

Folks would post that Randy Moss and Chad Pennington and the RB (I forget his name, think it was Doug Chapman) were doing it against I-AA but wouldn't be able to do at the higher level.

I told folks that 4.2 speed is 4.2 it doesn't matter if it is D. Robinson, Dri Archer or Randy Moss. 4.2 plays in high school, I-A/AA FB and the NFL.

I was decidedly not excited about UB. NO ONE saw them I-A ready. I don't remember ever thinking they were good at that there then current level. A pure reach.

I thought UCF was ready for I-A FB and they were.

I thought Temple was a good candidate to succeed at the MAC-level which is where they belonged, NOT Big East.

I was okay with UMass because we needed #14 and was a good geographical fit.
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(06-03-2013 03:58 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 02:22 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  The Ball State football team’s game vs. Buffalo in the Marathon Mid-American Conference Championship Game received a 1.7 rating on ESPN2, which set a league record for the most viewers to ever watch a game involving two MAC teams on the ESPN family of networks.

yes, because everyone tuned into watch 7-5 Buffalo, and not the 12-0 12th ranked team in the nation with a pro prospect at QB. Next you're going to tell me that Buffalo is going to draw over 100K fans to their season opener.

look, I'm not knockin Buffalo or want them to leave, or am even mad at them. They're family. They're in. But as the newest member of the family they are an indication of what a transition from FCS to the MAC is like, in spite of a lot of positives and potential. IMO, UMass and SB or JMU, whoever has a higher probability of duplicating UB's and Akron's results than not.

Should be noted that the ratings in WNY were off the charts and they were tuning in to see Buffalo..
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(06-03-2013 04:40 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  DROP UMASS, ADD NDSU

Television ratings in Fargo (your biggest city) 03-lmfao
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(06-03-2013 04:40 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  DROP UMASS, ADD NDSU

Stop Trolling........... NO ONE CARES ABOUT NDSU in the Great Lakes region
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(06-03-2013 02:22 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  The Ball State football team’s game vs. Buffalo in the Marathon Mid-American Conference Championship Game received a 1.7 rating on ESPN2, which set a league record for the most viewers to ever watch a game involving two MAC teams on the ESPN family of networks.

yes, because everyone tuned into watch 7-5 Buffalo, and not the 12-0 12th ranked team in the nation with a pro prospect at QB. Next you're going to tell me that Buffalo is going to draw over 100K fans to their season opener.

Ball State had some good ratings that season but Buffalo's Top 50 measured media-market and 215K alumni tipped the balance. If record and a pro-prospect mattered so much why didn't Miami with Big Ben or Marshall with Leftwich, some TRULY 1st round prospects, draw the largest tv audiences?
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(06-03-2013 04:08 PM)MacLord Wrote:  I live in NYC and can safely attest to the violent lack of interest in anything about Stony Brook here. It might as well be on the moon.

Certainly true at this point, but Long Island can be a media goal of it's own. Newsday has a close connection to Stony Brook and covers them regularly. Right now the MAC regional network has no affiliates in the New York market. But there is WCBS-affiliated WLNY based partially in Riverhead that covers Stony Brook sports but shows no college football at this time, which could become a MAC GOTW affiliate if Stony Brook is eventually added. It's exactly why we should keep UMass as well, for that regional connection with tv affiliates.
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