With the poaching behavior of the major conferences, bowl tie ins to guarentee revenue, and escalating coaching salaries it is time to remove the tax exempt status for college sports or force the schools to accept some changes.

Changes I would place on college sports:

Put in place a total expense cap for all revenue sports.

Limit collusion between conferences by limiting bowl tie ins to no more than 1/4 of league members

Limit home games to 7 games max

Eliminate the Proportionality prong of Title IX

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(06-01-2013 02:56 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  With the poaching behavior of the major conferences, bowl tie ins to guarentee revenue, and escalating coaching salaries it is time to remove the tax exempt status for college sports or force the schools to accept some changes.

Changes I would place on college sports:

Put in place a total expense cap for all revenue sports.

Limit collusion between conferences by limiting bowl tie ins to no more than 1/4 of league members

Eliminate the Proportionality prong of Title IX

What's with all the midmajor fans trying to create rules/scenarios to benefit themselves as if the P5 would ever accept them

(06-01-2013 03:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  What's with all the midmajor fans trying to create rules/scenarios to benefit themselves as if the P5 would ever accept them

Whose talking P5? This action would be Congressional action and quite frankly the big 5 should either act as a non profit or have sports revenue taxed. Currently they are for profit entities in non-profit clothing. Since we as tax-payers fund their non profit status it is viable for us to end it.

(06-01-2013 03:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  What's with all the midmajor fans trying to create rules/scenarios to benefit themselves as if the P5 would ever accept them

lutz...read the OP. Wow. Arrogant much?

It wouldnt matter if the P-5 "accepts" new laws and guidelines any more that it would matter if I accpet the constitutionality of the income tax. Rules on Title 9 and tax exempt status would come from congress, not the NCAA. The P-5 doesnt have a blocking vote and doesnt matter if the P-5 leaves the NCAA--they would still be bound by the rules/laws that were passed. The P-5 would have to leave the country to avoid congressional mandates. At some point congress will be pushed to act---wheather thier actions (or inaction) helps the mid-majors is a total unknown.

(06-01-2013 03:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 03:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  What's with all the midmajor fans trying to create rules/scenarios to benefit themselves as if the P5 would ever accept them

lutz...read the OP. Wow. Your arrogance shows no bounds.

It wouldnt matter if the P-5 "accepts" new laws and guidelines any more that it would matter if I accpet the constitutionality of the income tax. Rules on Title 9 and tax exempt status would come from congress, not the NCAA. The P-5 doesnt have a blocking vote and doesnt matter if the P-5 leaves the NCAA--they would still be bound by the rules/laws that were passed. The P-5 would have to leave the country to avoid congressional mandates.

Actually the executive branch could determine they don't meet tax exempt standards with Congressional involvement. If Obama wanted to tweak the Republican south he could revoke their non profit status and the congressional republicans couldn't do a darn thing.

Obama cannot do that read the Constitution!

Except for a very few schools there are no profits to tax because the revenue sports are paying for the non revenue sports. This would hit Texas, Ohio State and about half a dozen others. Eliminate Title IX? You are high on something. That will never happen.

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(06-01-2013 03:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Obama cannot do that read the Constitution!

Perhaps you should read the constitution and you will see the executive branch implements the laws. That means the IRS determines if an entity meets the non-profit guidelines and it would not be a stretch to determine college sports does not.

The real winner of my models would be men's minor sports. Under this model perhaps UCLA would add mens swimming back or Cal would add the sports they cut.

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(06-01-2013 03:58 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Except for a very few schools there are no profits to tax because the revenue sports are paying for the non revenue sports. This would hit Texas, Ohio State and about half a dozen others. Eliminate Title IX? You are high on something. That will never happen.

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It would hit a majority of schools in the Pac 12, Big 10 and SEC and some in the ACC and Big 12.

Also I said eliminate the proportionality prong not Title IX completely.

Dude, the IRS can be dissolved by congress. The House controls all money. You liberals.

(06-01-2013 03:21 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 03:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  What's with all the midmajor fans trying to create rules/scenarios to benefit themselves as if the P5 would ever accept them

Whose talking P5? This action would be Congressional action and quite frankly the big 5 should either act as a non profit or have sports revenue taxed. Currently they are for profit entities in non-profit clothing. Since we as tax-payers fund their non profit status it is viable for us to end it.

Good luck getting congressional action to eliminate any part of title 9.

why should we tax colleges because of rising coaches salaries? If anything that gets some of the money out of the college system to an individual who will theoretically pay taxes.

(06-01-2013 04:54 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Dude, the IRS can be dissolved by congress. The House controls all money. You liberals.

Dude I am not a liberal and you have lost control of your senses if you think Congress will dissolve the IRS.

(06-01-2013 05:06 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 03:21 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 03:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  What's with all the midmajor fans trying to create rules/scenarios to benefit themselves as if the P5 would ever accept them

Whose talking P5? This action would be Congressional action and quite frankly the big 5 should either act as a non profit or have sports revenue taxed. Currently they are for profit entities in non-profit clothing. Since we as tax-payers fund their non profit status it is viable for us to end it.

Good luck getting congressional action to eliminate any part of title 9.

That point is is true but since I was typing what I would do I put it in. By the way I would not eliminate Title IX just the proportionality clause as it is basically a quota.

(06-01-2013 05:50 PM)DeacKillsaDevil Wrote:  why should we tax colleges because of rising coaches salaries? If anything that gets some of the money out of the college system to an individual who will theoretically pay taxes.

I would prefer not to tax colleges. I would prefer a system that wasn't killing mens minor sports and had a reasonable playing field in revenue sports.

The whole "point" of college sports is to provide the benefits of competitive sports to as broad a base of students as possible. At least, that is true if you believe the propaganda of the NCAA. It is also why the Ivy League schools sponsor so many sports and why our Acadamies require everyone to participate in a sport.

Yet in our major Universities revenue has skyrocketed while total participation has largely been flat. Gains by women have largely been offset by reductions in men. Any other charity that saw revenues rise to the extent of NCAA member schools have but directed none of that revenue to their intended recipients would be subject to an IRS review and would likely lose their non-profit status.

No rational person can make the case that college sports is meeting their self defined mission that justifies their non-profit status. The changes I have suggested will return college sports to their mission and stop some of the most egregious anti competitive behavior exhibited by the Big 5 without forcing revenue sharing.

(06-01-2013 06:11 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 04:54 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Dude, the IRS can be dissolved by congress. The House controls all money. You liberals.

Dude I am not a liberal and you have lost control of your senses if you think Congress will dissolve the IRS.

I'd say it would depend on how many Congressmen are getting audited...

(06-01-2013 02:56 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  With the poaching behavior of the major conferences, bowl tie ins to guarentee revenue, and escalating coaching salaries it is time to remove the tax exempt status for college sports or force the schools to accept some changes.

Changes I would place on college sports:

Put in place a total expense cap for all revenue sports.

Limit collusion between conferences by limiting bowl tie ins to no more than 1/4 of league members

Limit home games to 7 games max

Eliminate the Proportionality prong of Title IX

I disagree. The tax exempt status is the only thing keeping the P5 from breaking away and forming their own athletics association. If the desire is to keep more teams getting a piece of the pie (All of FBS), then we should let them keep their tax exempt status. The current system is unfair to the Go5 but it's better than being cut out entirely.

(06-01-2013 03:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 03:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  What's with all the midmajor fans trying to create rules/scenarios to benefit themselves as if the P5 would ever accept them

lutz...read the OP. Wow. Arrogant much?

It wouldnt matter if the P-5 "accepts" new laws and guidelines any more that it would matter if I accpet the constitutionality of the income tax. Rules on Title 9 and tax exempt status would come from congress, not the NCAA. The P-5 doesnt have a blocking vote and doesnt matter if the P-5 leaves the NCAA--they would still be bound by the rules/laws that were passed. The P-5 would have to leave the country to avoid congressional mandates. At some point congress will be pushed to act---wheather thier actions (or inaction) helps the mid-majors is a total unknown.

Yeah, they'd still be bound by the rules but they'd also lose the incentive to keep sharing. If you want a 66 team break away, losing tax exempt status is the way to do it.