Let me start off by saying this is not intended to be smack in any way shape or form. You all seem to be excited about your new HC. What makes you all feel so good about him? You all have made your bones on being hard nosed and playing really tough, physical defense. I am not sold on any coach from the Oklahoma State coaching tree. Especailly when it comes to the defensive side of the ball. I mean look at WVU. Other than his three year stint at LSU as a WR coach I don't really see a stop in his career that was on a team that fits your all's identity.

Once again no smack. I could be way off base here. I am wanting to see S.Miss back to form as much as you all are. In order for this new rendition of CUSA to be vialble we NEED S.Miss to be S.Miss. Are you all going to be more toward the Oklahoma State/WVU mold?

(05-28-2013 12:01 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  What makes you all feel so good about him? You all have made your bones on being hard nosed and playing really tough, physical defense. I am not sold on any coach from the Oklahoma State coaching tree.

1) He isn't Ellis Johnson
2) He's a no BS guy
3) He runs a competent offense similar to Fedora's but not the same (who is also already having success at UNC after leading USM to a 12 win season) after whatever that 2012 "offensive scheme" was.
4) Hard-nosed defense was our identity....it's kind of changed as CFB has changed. Though we hired the architect of our very good 2011 championship defense in Dave Duggan. The D should be much improved this season, as they were absolutely awful and pathetic last season.
5) 2013 CUSA isn't exactly all-world at football so we think we at least have a chance.

(05-28-2013 12:08 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:01 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  What makes you all feel so good about him? You all have made your bones on being hard nosed and playing really tough, physical defense. I am not sold on any coach from the Oklahoma State coaching tree.

1) He isn't Ellis Johnson
2) He's a no BS guy
3) He isn't Ellis Johnson
4) He runs a competent offense similar to Fedora's but not the same (who is also already having success at UNC after leading USM to a 12 win season) after whatever that 2012 "offensive scheme" was.
5) He isn't Ellis Johnson
6) Hard-nosed defense was our identity....it's kind of changed as CFB has changed. Though we hired the architect of our very good 2011 championship defense in Dave Duggan. The D should be much improved this season, as they were absolutely awful and pathetic last season.
7) He isn't Ellis Johnson
8) 2013 CUSA isn't exactly all-world at football so we think we at least have a chance.

fify

9) bower was an OC from OSU. fedora was an OC from OSU. so, from that perspective, at least, this is precisely in keeping with our history

(05-28-2013 12:08 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:01 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  What makes you all feel so good about him? You all have made your bones on being hard nosed and playing really tough, physical defense. I am not sold on any coach from the Oklahoma State coaching tree.

1) He isn't Ellis Johnson
2) He's a no BS guy
3) He runs a competent offense similar to Fedora's but not the same (who is also already having success at UNC after leading USM to a 12 win season) after whatever that 2012 "offensive scheme" was.
4) Hard-nosed defense was our identity....it's kind of changed as CFB has changed. Though we hired the architect of our very good 2011 championship defense in Dave Duggan. The D should be much improved this season, as they were absolutely awful and pathetic last season.
5) 2013 CUSA isn't exactly all-world at football so we think we at least have a chance.

I have always thought Southern Miss year in and year out had the best athlete's in Conf USA. I don't think Southern Miss needs a great coach, or even a good coach to win. They do need however, a competent coach who at the very least believes in the school and the players. If your coach has these two qualities, then Southern Miss will not only rebound quickly, but they will also be the first team out of Conf USA into the AAC. It's not rocket science. If the new guy is even a quarter step better than your old coach, then Southern Miss will rebound. Southern Miss should dominate this new mixture of Conf USA. The only school that has a chance to stop them are the Florida schools, who if they are able to recruit better are sitting on a gold mine of talent.(Just my opinion of course)

Our DC is why we believe we'll have great D. Our HC is why we think we'll have a great O. You may "not (be) sold on any coach from the Oklahoma State coaching tree", but both Coach Bower and Coach Fedora were the OSU OC before they were the USM HC.

Good, bad or indifferent- I honestly don't think you need a "great" defense to win in CUSA.

(05-28-2013 12:30 PM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  Good, bad or indifferent- I honestly don't think you need a "great" defense to win in CUSA.

No, just the best one in the conference. A conference focused almost entirely on offense.

Forgot that is where Fedora came from. I was just looking at the product they and WVU have had the last few years. High powered offense but a crap defense.

(05-28-2013 12:40 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Forgot that is where Fedora came from. I was just looking at the product they and WVU have had the last few years. High powered offense but a crap defense.

Holgorsen just might have been a miss for them.

Bower and Fedora were both successes here.

(05-28-2013 12:40 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Forgot that is where Fedora came from. I was just looking at the product they and WVU have had the last few years. High powered offense but a crap defense.

Yeah, and Fedora tried to bring an OSU defensive guy with him and he failed to get over the hump for three years because of it. Monken was smart and hired an outstanding defensive guy that Southern Miss supporters know and trust.

(05-28-2013 01:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:40 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Forgot that is where Fedora came from. I was just looking at the product they and WVU have had the last few years. High powered offense but a crap defense.

Yeah, and Fedora tried to bring an OSU defensive guy with him and he failed to get over the hump for three years because of it. Monken was smart and hired an outstanding defensive guy that Southern Miss supporters know and trust.

Duggan may turn out to be the second best hire on the staff. Smith will be the best hire.

I've said this on here before, but we tend to be the best team on the line of scrimmage in almost every game we play against like opponents. Marshall had Vinnie Curry, and ECU sure has had some good ones over the years, but it seems like every single year we are just that much better on the lines than every one else in the conference. That makes a huge difference, and it is part of the reason we always seem to have the best athletes. Linemen are a lot like a "support" character in an MMO...they don't do a whole lot by themselves, but good ones sure do make every one else look great. If lack of depth doesn't hurt us in the trenches, then we could look a lot better than most prognosticators are expecting us to regardless of who is at linebacker or under center. As last year showed, a lot of that is going to be scheme: We can't afford to give QBs a decade to throw the ball, or give opponents no reason to respect the pass. This is why I think Southern Miss can be pretty good this year without being all-world at QB or LB...we have some pretty good players in the trenches, and we have some proven schemes backing them up.

(05-28-2013 01:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:40 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Forgot that is where Fedora came from. I was just looking at the product they and WVU have had the last few years. High powered offense but a crap defense.

Yeah, and Fedora tried to bring an OSU defensive guy with him and he failed to get over the hump for three years because of it. Monken was smart and hired an outstanding defensive guy that Southern Miss supporters know and trust.

Opinion may change, but I wouldn't trade Monken for any coach in the conference.

(05-28-2013 12:01 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Let me start off by saying this is not intended to be smack in any way shape or form. You all seem to be excited about your new HC. What makes you all feel so good about him? You all have made your bones on being hard nosed and playing really tough, physical defense. I am not sold on any coach from the Oklahoma State coaching tree. Especailly when it comes to the defensive side of the ball.

I'm guessing you don't know much about our football history then?


Jeff Bower - OC at OSU.. transitioned to a successful USM stint
Larry Fedora - OC at OSU.. transitioned to a successful USM stint
elL12 - NOT an OC at OSU... Disaster for the school
Todd Monken - OC at OSU .. Any questions about expectations?

Also the dc who shall not be named was not a defensive guy. He was a former offensive coach who transitioned to a defensive one. Throw in he was a buddy hire & bad things happened.

(05-28-2013 12:20 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:08 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:01 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  What makes you all feel so good about him? You all have made your bones on being hard nosed and playing really tough, physical defense. I am not sold on any coach from the Oklahoma State coaching tree.

1) He isn't Ellis Johnson
2) He's a no BS guy
3) He isn't Ellis Johnson
4) He runs a competent offense similar to Fedora's but not the same (who is also already having success at UNC after leading USM to a 12 win season) after whatever that 2012 "offensive scheme" was.
5) He isn't Ellis Johnson
6) Hard-nosed defense was our identity....it's kind of changed as CFB has changed. Though we hired the architect of our very good 2011 championship defense in Dave Duggan. The D should be much improved this season, as they were absolutely awful and pathetic last season.
7) He isn't Ellis Johnson
8) 2013 CUSA isn't exactly all-world at football so we think we at least have a chance.

fify

9) bower was an OC from OSU. fedora was an OC from OSU. so, from that perspective, at least, this is precisely in keeping with our history

You forgot one point....

10) He isn't Ellis Johnson

Ya'll are misspelling his name. It's "Ellllllllllllis". 12 L's.

(05-28-2013 03:59 PM)SouthGAEagle Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:20 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:08 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:01 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  What makes you all feel so good about him? You all have made your bones on being hard nosed and playing really tough, physical defense. I am not sold on any coach from the Oklahoma State coaching tree.

1) He isn't Ellis Johnson
2) He's a no BS guy
3) He isn't Ellis Johnson
4) He runs a competent offense similar to Fedora's but not the same (who is also already having success at UNC after leading USM to a 12 win season) after whatever that 2012 "offensive scheme" was.
5) He isn't Ellis Johnson
6) Hard-nosed defense was our identity....it's kind of changed as CFB has changed. Though we hired the architect of our very good 2011 championship defense in Dave Duggan. The D should be much improved this season, as they were absolutely awful and pathetic last season.
7) He isn't Ellis Johnson
8) 2013 CUSA isn't exactly all-world at football so we think we at least have a chance.

fify

9) bower was an OC from OSU. fedora was an OC from OSU. so, from that perspective, at least, this is precisely in keeping with our history

You forgot one point....

10) He isn't Ellis Johnson

how did that one get past me?

(05-28-2013 01:22 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:40 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Forgot that is where Fedora came from. I was just looking at the product they and WVU have had the last few years. High powered offense but a crap defense.

Yeah, and Fedora tried to bring an OSU defensive guy with him and he failed to get over the hump for three years because of it. Monken was smart and hired an outstanding defensive guy that Southern Miss supporters know and trust.

Duggan may turn out to be the second best hire on the staff. Smith will be the best hire.

I've said this on here before, but we tend to be the best team on the line of scrimmage in almost every game we play against like opponents. Marshall had Vinnie Curry, and ECU sure has had some good ones over the years, but it seems like every single year we are just that much better on the lines than every one else in the conference. That makes a huge difference, and it is part of the reason we always seem to have the best athletes. Linemen are a lot like a "support" character in an MMO...they don't do a whole lot by themselves, but good ones sure do make every one else look great. If lack of depth doesn't hurt us in the trenches, then we could look a lot better than most prognosticators are expecting us to regardless of who is at linebacker or under center. As last year showed, a lot of that is going to be scheme: We can't afford to give QBs a decade to throw the ball, or give opponents no reason to respect the pass. This is why I think Southern Miss can be pretty good this year without being all-world at QB or LB...we have some pretty good players in the trenches, and we have some proven schemes backing them up.

My youngest just finished his soph year and works with the training staff (that's his major). I asked him before spring drills started about smith. His reply was short and simple. "Dad, the mans a badass". It didn't take him long into the off season program to get the players to buy into his system. I've never seen a southern miss team as well conditioned in the spring as we were this time.

The biggest joke of the elxIIs staff was strength and conditioning. When the players asked the last clown why they didn't stretch the answer they got was, the only thing you boys need to be stretching is Pu(&(&y's. Two ol standing a few yards apart scooting a soccer ball back and forth is supposed to develop their footwork?????

Unlike most folks I don't worry about the qb situation. One and I have a pretty good idea who will emerge in the fall. My only concern is lb and the depth there.
I think we start 1-3 and go on to win 6 or 7. If we start 2-2 or anything better, watch out The EAGLES ARE BACK!

Spend five minutes talking to a USM football player and you will learn why USM fans feel we have made a very solid hire in Monken.

A Louisville fan here who never figured out why Tulane got the invite over Southern Miss. Wish you the best.