(05-25-2013 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 08:06 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 06:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 04:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 02:37 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I don't think ND appearing twice will be a problem. Most higher ranked SEC/BIG teams will be in either the playoffs, Rose, Sugar Bowls.

I think it's going to be a lot harder than you would think. I mean last year, SEC had 2 teams in the playoffs, but then also teams ranked 7-10. ND would have had to be either 5 or 6 to get into the Orange Bowl. Even a 4th SEC team will normally be ranked really high.

Where it will get tougher for ND would be if SEC in first 4-5 times goes every single time. It's possible that in the last 3 times, the Big Ten would have to go to the Orange Bowl.

That's exactly right. In those cases, Notre Dame could be ranked #5 every one of those 3 years, higher than any B1G team even its champion, and yet the Orange would have to take a B1G team over them each and every time.

Let's face it, the system is not designed to facilitate being independent. To make as much money from the bowl system as the typical P5 school, ND will have to be good enough to make one of the 6 major bowls about 6 of the 12 years this playoff system is in effect.

In contrast, a team like Wake Forest can go 3-10 every year and never sniff the playoffs or Orange Bowl, and collect the same money Notre Dame will for routinely being in the national title conversation.

I guess my expectations for ND are a little higher than most and I think the BIG, outside of Ohio St and maybe Michigan, will take a step back. I can't imagine that ND can't make 2 OB over the next 12 years.

It's not the Big Ten that's the issue. If SEC continues to have 4 top 10 schools, ND would have to finish ahead of them to make the Orange Bowl. Like last year, SEC had 1/3, and then 7-10. ND would have had to finish either 5 or 6 to make the Orange Bowl. A ND with 1 loss is still probably in the playoff(esp with the win vs Stanford). A ND with 2 losses no way gets in the OB over the SEC teams, and probably doesn't even make an access bowl selected by merit.

This, combined with the fact that if SEC goes the first 5 times, the Big Ten then MUST go the other 3 times- makes it far less of a slam dunk than it would appear.

Then, ND just needs to win, a lot. What is wrong with having to win big? ND needs to keep having seasons close to last year.

BTW, the SEC did not have #1 team at the end of the regular season when the playoffs and access bowls would have been determined.

ND was ranked #1 at the time. Just trying to keep things accurate.

You are looking at the rankings and won/loss after the championship game, not before.

Brian Kelly is 28-11 at ND and needs to keep winning. That is what he has done everywhere he has coached.

That is what ND hired him to do.

See, the only other alternative for ND is to join a conference, which they are loathe to do. ND is ok with this setup.

You don't hear or see any hand wringing from South Bend about the playoffs and access bowls.

Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

(05-25-2013 03:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 08:06 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 06:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 04:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think it's going to be a lot harder than you would think. I mean last year, SEC had 2 teams in the playoffs, but then also teams ranked 7-10. ND would have had to be either 5 or 6 to get into the Orange Bowl. Even a 4th SEC team will normally be ranked really high.

Where it will get tougher for ND would be if SEC in first 4-5 times goes every single time. It's possible that in the last 3 times, the Big Ten would have to go to the Orange Bowl.

That's exactly right. In those cases, Notre Dame could be ranked #5 every one of those 3 years, higher than any B1G team even its champion, and yet the Orange would have to take a B1G team over them each and every time.

Let's face it, the system is not designed to facilitate being independent. To make as much money from the bowl system as the typical P5 school, ND will have to be good enough to make one of the 6 major bowls about 6 of the 12 years this playoff system is in effect.

In contrast, a team like Wake Forest can go 3-10 every year and never sniff the playoffs or Orange Bowl, and collect the same money Notre Dame will for routinely being in the national title conversation.

I guess my expectations for ND are a little higher than most and I think the BIG, outside of Ohio St and maybe Michigan, will take a step back. I can't imagine that ND can't make 2 OB over the next 12 years.

It's not the Big Ten that's the issue. If SEC continues to have 4 top 10 schools, ND would have to finish ahead of them to make the Orange Bowl. Like last year, SEC had 1/3, and then 7-10. ND would have had to finish either 5 or 6 to make the Orange Bowl. A ND with 1 loss is still probably in the playoff(esp with the win vs Stanford). A ND with 2 losses no way gets in the OB over the SEC teams, and probably doesn't even make an access bowl selected by merit.

This, combined with the fact that if SEC goes the first 5 times, the Big Ten then MUST go the other 3 times- makes it far less of a slam dunk than it would appear.

Then, ND just needs to win, a lot. What is wrong with having to win big? ND needs to keep having seasons close to last year.

BTW, the SEC did not have #1 team at the end of the regular season when the playoffs and access bowls would have been determined.

ND was ranked #1 at the time. Just trying to keep things accurate.

You are looking at the rankings and won/loss after the championship game, not before.

Brian Kelly is 28-11 at ND and needs to keep winning. That is what he has done everywhere he has coached.

That is what ND hired him to do.

See, the only other alternative for ND is to join a conference, which they are loathe to do. ND is ok with this setup.

You don't hear or see any hand wringing from South Bend about the playoffs and access bowls.

Actually look at the BCS standings from Dec. Alabama 2, Florida 3, Georgia 7, LSU 8, Texas A&M 9, and South Carolina 10.

(05-25-2013 04:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

There is a rematch provision, however if like last year- SEC had 2 teams in playoffs, and Florida was #7 and higher than Notre Dame(lets say they were #11). The Orange I don't think would be allowed to skip #8 LSU, #9 Texas A&M, or #10 South Carolina to grab Notre Dame in that situation. It would just go down to the next best team, which would have been LSU. Florida would just have gone into the access bowls.

To say Notre Dame is a probable to get into the Orange 2x in the 8 years is a joke. It's possible, but if the SEC keeps on putting 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 each year, it's not probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also keep in mind, a selection committee especially right now is not going to hurt the SEC by any stretch. I mean, a team like a Texas A&M last year would not be #9 by a committee. Not a chance.

(05-25-2013 06:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 04:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

There is a rematch provision, however if like last year- SEC had 2 teams in playoffs, and Florida was #7 and higher than Notre Dame(lets say they were #11). The Orange I don't think would be allowed to skip #8 LSU, #9 Texas A&M, or #10 South Carolina to grab Notre Dame in that situation. It would just go down to the next best team, which would have been LSU. Florida would just have gone into the access bowls.

To say Notre Dame is a probable to get into the Orange 2x in the 8 years is a joke. It's possible, but if the SEC keeps on putting 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 each year, it's not probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also keep in mind, a selection committee especially right now is not going to hurt the SEC by any stretch. I mean, a team like a Texas A&M last year would not be #9 by a committee. Not a chance.

One thing people are overlooking is the SEC is able to have these highly ranked teams because the bottom is horrible. The bottom 5 teams went 5-35 in conference. No other major conference had that level of ineptitude.

(05-25-2013 06:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 04:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

There is a rematch provision, however if like last year- SEC had 2 teams in playoffs, and Florida was #7 and higher than Notre Dame(lets say they were #11). The Orange I don't think would be allowed to skip #8 LSU, #9 Texas A&M, or #10 South Carolina to grab Notre Dame in that situation. It would just go down to the next best team, which would have been LSU. Florida would just have gone into the access bowls.

To say Notre Dame is a probable to get into the Orange 2x in the 8 years is a joke. It's possible, but if the SEC keeps on putting 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 each year, it's not probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also keep in mind, a selection committee especially right now is not going to hurt the SEC by any stretch. I mean, a team like a Texas A&M last year would not be #9 by a committee. Not a chance.

who says the selection committee's rankings will look anything like the computer generated ones we now have? the SEC might not have 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 every year since they will be beating each other & the committee may factor that into it's rankings.

(05-25-2013 06:33 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 04:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

There is a rematch provision, however if like last year- SEC had 2 teams in playoffs, and Florida was #7 and higher than Notre Dame(lets say they were #11). The Orange I don't think would be allowed to skip #8 LSU, #9 Texas A&M, or #10 South Carolina to grab Notre Dame in that situation. It would just go down to the next best team, which would have been LSU. Florida would just have gone into the access bowls.

To say Notre Dame is a probable to get into the Orange 2x in the 8 years is a joke. It's possible, but if the SEC keeps on putting 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 each year, it's not probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also keep in mind, a selection committee especially right now is not going to hurt the SEC by any stretch. I mean, a team like a Texas A&M last year would not be #9 by a committee. Not a chance.

One thing people are overlooking is the SEC is able to have these highly ranked teams because the bottom is horrible. The bottom 5 teams went 5-35 in conference. No other major conference had that level of ineptitude.

Maybe, but those teams aren't always horrible. Two of those teams are Auburn and Tennessee, each of whom has won a BCS national title. Another is Arkansas, who was in a BCS bowl game just last year.

Hell, Arkansas, Auburn, and Tennessee would be "big brand name" football schools in the ACC or any other conference.

Even the other two aren't terrible. Kentucky has won 3 bowl games in the past 7 years, including wins over Clemson and FSU. Likewise, Missouri has won 3 bowls in the past 7 seasons, including wins over Arkansas and North Carolina.

Really, the SEC is just damn good.

(05-25-2013 07:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:33 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 04:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

There is a rematch provision, however if like last year- SEC had 2 teams in playoffs, and Florida was #7 and higher than Notre Dame(lets say they were #11). The Orange I don't think would be allowed to skip #8 LSU, #9 Texas A&M, or #10 South Carolina to grab Notre Dame in that situation. It would just go down to the next best team, which would have been LSU. Florida would just have gone into the access bowls.

To say Notre Dame is a probable to get into the Orange 2x in the 8 years is a joke. It's possible, but if the SEC keeps on putting 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 each year, it's not probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also keep in mind, a selection committee especially right now is not going to hurt the SEC by any stretch. I mean, a team like a Texas A&M last year would not be #9 by a committee. Not a chance.

One thing people are overlooking is the SEC is able to have these highly ranked teams because the bottom is horrible. The bottom 5 teams went 5-35 in conference. No other major conference had that level of ineptitude.

Maybe, but those teams aren't always horrible. Two of those teams are Auburn and Tennessee, each of whom has won a BCS national title. Another is Arkansas, who was in a BCS bowl game just last year.

Hell, Arkansas, Auburn, and Tennessee would be "big brand name" football schools in the ACC or any other conference.

Even the other two aren't terrible. Kentucky has won 3 bowl games in the past 7 years, including wins over Clemson and FSU. Likewise, Missouri has won 3 bowls in the past 7 seasons, including wins over Arkansas and North Carolina.

Really, the SEC is just damn good.

SEC is very good. I was just pointing out there's more to the story. Those bad teams last year also lost to weak non-conference opponents too. So it wasn't just the big boys in the league doing the damage. I do expect Arkansas and Tenn to get better so that should cut down on the number of 10-win teams in the conference.

(05-25-2013 07:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:33 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 04:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

There is a rematch provision, however if like last year- SEC had 2 teams in playoffs, and Florida was #7 and higher than Notre Dame(lets say they were #11). The Orange I don't think would be allowed to skip #8 LSU, #9 Texas A&M, or #10 South Carolina to grab Notre Dame in that situation. It would just go down to the next best team, which would have been LSU. Florida would just have gone into the access bowls.

To say Notre Dame is a probable to get into the Orange 2x in the 8 years is a joke. It's possible, but if the SEC keeps on putting 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 each year, it's not probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also keep in mind, a selection committee especially right now is not going to hurt the SEC by any stretch. I mean, a team like a Texas A&M last year would not be #9 by a committee. Not a chance.

One thing people are overlooking is the SEC is able to have these highly ranked teams because the bottom is horrible. The bottom 5 teams went 5-35 in conference. No other major conference had that level of ineptitude.

Maybe, but those teams aren't always horrible. Two of those teams are Auburn and Tennessee, each of whom has won a BCS national title. Another is Arkansas, who was in a BCS bowl game just last year.

Hell, Arkansas, Auburn, and Tennessee would be "big brand name" football schools in the ACC or any other conference.

Even the other two aren't terrible. Kentucky has won 3 bowl games in the past 7 years, including wins over Clemson and FSU. Likewise, Missouri has won 3 bowls in the past 7 seasons, including wins over Arkansas and North Carolina.

Really, the SEC is just damn good.

Just wait! Fairly soon I will hear HISTORICALLY SPEAKING!

Quick question. Yes, these conferences have deals with these bowls but do the bowls pick the teams or does the committee just using the guidelines that so and so conference goes to so and so bowl? If the bowls pick the team is there some sort of guideline they have to follow or can they pick any bowl eligible team from their contract conference?

(05-25-2013 07:59 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Quick question. Yes, these conferences have deals with these bowls but do the bowls pick the teams or does the committee just using the guidelines that so and so conference goes to so and so bowl? If the bowls pick the team is there some sort of guideline they have to follow or can they pick any bowl eligible team from their contract conference?

the selection committee will rank & place teams in the playoff , along with any access bowl openings. these rankings will be used to determine the ACC's opponent in the year's they don't host the semi-final

(05-25-2013 06:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 04:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

There is a rematch provision, however if like last year- SEC had 2 teams in playoffs, and Florida was #7 and higher than Notre Dame(lets say they were #11). The Orange I don't think would be allowed to skip #8 LSU, #9 Texas A&M, or #10 South Carolina to grab Notre Dame in that situation. It would just go down to the next best team, which would have been LSU. Florida would just have gone into the access bowls.

To say Notre Dame is a probable to get into the Orange 2x in the 8 years is a joke. It's possible, but if the SEC keeps on putting 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 each year, it's not probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also keep in mind, a selection committee especially right now is not going to hurt the SEC by any stretch. I mean, a team like a Texas A&M last year would not be #9 by a committee. Not a chance.

who says the selection committee's rankings will look anything like the computer generated ones we now have? the SEC might not have 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 every year since they will be beating each other & the committee may factor that into it's rankings.

Last year it would have been hard for the SEC to not have 5-6 teams in the top 10. Alabama and Florida were definites with only 1 loss. A&M had just beaten Alabama. LSU, Georgia, and South Carolina good teams with only 2 losses. And, even if it's only 4 teams, that's enough as it'd be in 2014 the 3rd SEC team(if 2 get into playoff) and 2015/16 4th SEC team(if 2 get into playoff).

(05-25-2013 06:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 04:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

There is a rematch provision, however if like last year- SEC had 2 teams in playoffs, and Florida was #7 and higher than Notre Dame(lets say they were #11). The Orange I don't think would be allowed to skip #8 LSU, #9 Texas A&M, or #10 South Carolina to grab Notre Dame in that situation. It would just go down to the next best team, which would have been LSU. Florida would just have gone into the access bowls.

To say Notre Dame is a probable to get into the Orange 2x in the 8 years is a joke. It's possible, but if the SEC keeps on putting 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 each year, it's not probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also keep imind, a selection committee especially right now is not going to hurt the SEC by any stretch. I mean, a team like a Texas A&M last year would not be #9 by a committee. Not a chance.

who says the selection committee's rankings will look anything like the computer generated ones we now have? the SEC might not have 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 every year since they will be beating each other & the committee may factor that into it's rankings.

It is hard to imagine that a selection committe will be any more or less biased toward the SEC than the BCS rankings were.

(05-25-2013 09:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:55 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 04:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Notre Dame playing twice in the Orange is probable, remember they have to only be ranked higher than the best available team from the SEC or B1G. I might be wrong but I also think their is a provision for the Orange to prevent rematches between teams. so if FSU is the champ and Florida is the highest rated team then they can either choose a B1G team or Notre Dame

There is a rematch provision, however if like last year- SEC had 2 teams in playoffs, and Florida was #7 and higher than Notre Dame(lets say they were #11). The Orange I don't think would be allowed to skip #8 LSU, #9 Texas A&M, or #10 South Carolina to grab Notre Dame in that situation. It would just go down to the next best team, which would have been LSU. Florida would just have gone into the access bowls.

To say Notre Dame is a probable to get into the Orange 2x in the 8 years is a joke. It's possible, but if the SEC keeps on putting 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 each year, it's not probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also keep imind, a selection committee especially right now is not going to hurt the SEC by any stretch. I mean, a team like a Texas A&M last year would not be #9 by a committee. Not a chance.

who says the selection committee's rankings will look anything like the computer generated ones we now have? the SEC might not have 5 or 6 teams in the top 10 every year since they will be beating each other & the committee may factor that into it's rankings.

It is hard to imagine that a selection committe will be any more or less biased toward the SEC than the BCS rankings were.

This is true, which makes me wonder if this committee would go out of their way to look impartial.

Big thing to remember with the Orange Bowl is that it picks AFTER the access bowls get their teams (plus the Sugar/playoff bowls). Let's say we have the following in a year when the Peach/Fiesta are semi-finals (using committee ranking):

1. Florida
2. USC
3. Ohio State
4. Florida State
5. Georgia
6. LSU
7. Michigan
8. Virginia Tech
9. Notre Dame


In that set-up, Florida would be in the playoff, Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, and LSU in the Cotton (the only remaining access bowl) before the Orange Bowl would take its 2nd team. That would leave it as Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech.

(05-25-2013 10:12 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Big thing to remember with the Orange Bowl is that it picks AFTER the access bowls get their teams (plus the Sugar/playoff bowls). Let's say we have the following in a year when the Peach/Fiesta are semi-finals (using committee ranking):

1. Florida
2. USC
3. Ohio State
4. Florida State
5. Georgia
6. LSU
7. Michigan
8. Virginia Tech
9. Notre Dame


In that set-up, Florida would be in the playoff, Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, and LSU in the Cotton (the only remaining access bowl) before the Orange Bowl would take its 2nd team. That would leave it as Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech.

OB only picks after Sugar/Rose and semifinals. All contract bowls pick before access bowls.

(05-25-2013 10:17 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 10:12 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Big thing to remember with the Orange Bowl is that it picks AFTER the access bowls get their teams (plus the Sugar/playoff bowls). Let's say we have the following in a year when the Peach/Fiesta are semi-finals (using committee ranking):

1. Florida
2. USC
3. Ohio State
4. Florida State
5. Georgia
6. LSU
7. Michigan
8. Virginia Tech
9. Notre Dame


In that set-up, Florida would be in the playoff, Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, and LSU in the Cotton (the only remaining access bowl) before the Orange Bowl would take its 2nd team. That would leave it as Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech.

OB only picks after Sugar/Rose and semifinals. All contract bowls pick before access bowls.

Actually, this scenario is almost bad for Notre Dame....
Yeah, Florida in playoff, Georgia in Sugar, and LSU would be in the Orange.
Michigan would be in Rose to play P12 team
Georgia in Sugar to play B12 team
playoffs FSU/Florida, Ohio St/USC
Orange Va Tech/LSU
Notre Dame would be in the Cotton Bowl playing G5 team.

If ND were ranked #10 instead of #9, and the #9 team were a SEC or Big Ten team, ND would be OUT of the BCS altogether.

(05-25-2013 10:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 10:17 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 10:12 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Big thing to remember with the Orange Bowl is that it picks AFTER the access bowls get their teams (plus the Sugar/playoff bowls). Let's say we have the following in a year when the Peach/Fiesta are semi-finals (using committee ranking):

1. Florida
2. USC
3. Ohio State
4. Florida State
5. Georgia
6. LSU
7. Michigan
8. Virginia Tech
9. Notre Dame


In that set-up, Florida would be in the playoff, Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, and LSU in the Cotton (the only remaining access bowl) before the Orange Bowl would take its 2nd team. That would leave it as Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech.

OB only picks after Sugar/Rose and semifinals. All contract bowls pick before access bowls.

Actually, this scenario is almost bad for Notre Dame....
Yeah, Florida in playoff, Georgia in Sugar, and LSU would be in the Orange.
Michigan would be in Rose to play P12 team
Georgia in Sugar to play B12 team
playoffs FSU/Florida, Ohio St/USC
Orange Va Tech/LSU
Notre Dame would be in the Cotton Bowl playing G5 team.

If ND were ranked #10 instead of #9, and the #9 team were a SEC or Big Ten team, ND would be OUT of the BCS altogether.

Wouldn't ND also be out if #9 was an ACC team too?

My understanding is that in this scenario, a Notre Dame team ranked #10 could only possibly be eligible for one slot - opposite a G5 opponent in the Cotton Bowl. If #9 was a PAC team that would not affect ND because that team would play in the Rose, and likewise if #9 was a Big 12 team that would not affect ND since that team would play in the Sugar. On the other hand, either a B1G or SEC team ranked #9 would affect ND, because since they are ranked ahead of ND, they would take the Cotton slot opposite the G5 team, leaving ND out in the cold. But, why is this also not true of an ACC team ranked #9?

I don't see any playoff/BCS bowl rule that would allow ND to jump the ACC team, and to my understanding the Notre Dame/ACC agreement that allows a bowl to take ND over an ACC team if ND is close to the ACC team in wins/losses only applies to (a) ACC-affiliated bowls, i.e., bowls with a specific tie-in to the ACC, and (b) lesser, non-BCS bowls. Since the Cotton is neither a lesser bowl nor an ACC-affiliated bowl, it would not be affected by the ACC/ND bowl sharing agreement. So what am I missing here?

(05-26-2013 12:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 10:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 10:17 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 10:12 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Big thing to remember with the Orange Bowl is that it picks AFTER the access bowls get their teams (plus the Sugar/playoff bowls). Let's say we have the following in a year when the Peach/Fiesta are semi-finals (using committee ranking):

1. Florida
2. USC
3. Ohio State
4. Florida State
5. Georgia
6. LSU
7. Michigan
8. Virginia Tech
9. Notre Dame


In that set-up, Florida would be in the playoff, Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, and LSU in the Cotton (the only remaining access bowl) before the Orange Bowl would take its 2nd team. That would leave it as Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech.

OB only picks after Sugar/Rose and semifinals. All contract bowls pick before access bowls.

Actually, this scenario is almost bad for Notre Dame....
Yeah, Florida in playoff, Georgia in Sugar, and LSU would be in the Orange.
Michigan would be in Rose to play P12 team
Georgia in Sugar to play B12 team
playoffs FSU/Florida, Ohio St/USC
Orange Va Tech/LSU
Notre Dame would be in the Cotton Bowl playing G5 team.

If ND were ranked #10 instead of #9, and the #9 team were a SEC or Big Ten team, ND would be OUT of the BCS altogether.

Wouldn't ND also be out if #9 was an ACC team too?

My understanding is that in this scenario, a Notre Dame team ranked #10 could only possibly be eligible for one slot - opposite a G5 opponent in the Cotton Bowl. If #9 was a PAC team that would not affect ND because that team would play in the Rose, and likewise if #9 was a Big 12 team that would not affect ND since that team would play in the Sugar. On the other hand, either a B1G or SEC team ranked #9 would affect ND, because since they are ranked ahead of ND, they would take the Cotton slot opposite the G5 team, leaving ND out in the cold. But, why is this also not true of an ACC team ranked #9?

I don't see any playoff/BCS bowl rule that would allow ND to jump the ACC team, and to my understanding the Notre Dame/ACC agreement that allows a bowl to take ND over an ACC team if ND is close to the ACC team in wins/losses only applies to (a) ACC-affiliated bowls, i.e., bowls with a specific tie-in to the ACC, and (b) lesser, non-BCS bowls. Since the Cotton is neither a lesser bowl nor an ACC-affiliated bowl, it would not be affected by the ACC/ND bowl sharing agreement. So what am I missing here?

Yeah you are right, ACC team would knock ND out as well. Basically the only ones at 9 that could "save" ND there would be Pac 12(going to Rose to replace #2 USC), or Big 12(going to Sugar)- unless the Big 12 team ranked #9 was not the champion.