(05-24-2013 06:32 PM)SouthGAEagle Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 03:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  These look good but can you make a bigger picture to check out the details?

Haven't seen a bigger photo of the helmet, but here's the logo on both black and gold backgrounds:






It's the updated version of this older logo:

I really like the old eagle not the updated version.

Obvious question: what do we have to gain by putting the state outline on our helmet, or (as I've seen people suggest) emphasizing "Southern Mississippi" as opposed to "Southern Miss"?

Is there anyone on this planet who will like us better after they realize that "Miss" means "Mississippi"? We're talking about a state that voted something like 70% in favor of a Confederate-based state flag, and didn't desegregate its schools effectively until the 1980s.

Distancing ourselves from the rest of the state is not only smart, it's justifiable. Mississippi is solid behind MSU and Ole Miss. USM draws many students from places like New Orleans, Slidell, and Chalmette.

Do we really want to draw a line on our helmets that includes a bunch of questionable characters who don't like us all that much anyway, while excluding some of our best fans and alumni? Similarly, do we want to ditch a brand ("Southern Miss") that's done a good job of hiding the embarrassing truth, i.e. that we're supposed to be a directional school in the poorest, possibly most reviled state in the nation?

We should embrace "Southern Miss" with open arms, and run away from anything that implies "Mississippi."

(05-26-2013 12:50 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Obvious question: what do we have to gain by putting the state outline on our helmet, or (as I've seen people suggest) emphasizing "Southern Mississippi" as opposed to "Southern Miss"?

Is there anyone on this planet who will like us better after they realize that "Miss" means "Mississippi"? We're talking about a state that voted something like 70% in favor of a Confederate-based state flag, and didn't desegregate its schools effectively until the 1980s.

Distancing ourselves from the rest of the state is not only smart, it's justifiable. Mississippi is solid behind MSU and Ole Miss. USM draws many students from places like New Orleans, Slidell, and Chalmette.

Do we really want to draw a line on our helmets that includes a bunch of questionable characters who don't like us all that much anyway, while excluding some of our best fans and alumni? Similarly, do we want to ditch a brand ("Southern Miss") that's done a good job of hiding the embarrassing truth, i.e. that we're supposed to be a directional school in the poorest, possibly most reviled state in the nation?

We should embrace "Southern Miss" with open arms, and run away from anything that implies "Mississippi."

I'm sure everyone will be overjoyed at the return of your all consuming brand of self-loathing.

(05-24-2013 08:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Man, that black on black on black is one of the best looks in college football. I'll never understand the need to ticker with a good thing.

If it ain't broke...

Exactly

Andre what does it matter, remember you jumped off the bandwagon.. Go play with some Iowa fans since that's what the logo in your avy is.

(05-26-2013 12:50 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Obvious question: what do we have to gain by putting the state outline on our helmet, or (as I've seen people suggest) emphasizing "Southern Mississippi" as opposed to "Southern Miss"?

Is there anyone on this planet who will like us better after they realize that "Miss" means "Mississippi"? We're talking about a state that voted something like 70% in favor of a Confederate-based state flag, and didn't desegregate its schools effectively until the 1980s.

Distancing ourselves from the rest of the state is not only smart, it's justifiable. Mississippi is solid behind MSU and Ole Miss. USM draws many students from places like New Orleans, Slidell, and Chalmette.

Do we really want to draw a line on our helmets that includes a bunch of questionable characters who don't like us all that much anyway, while excluding some of our best fans and alumni? Similarly, do we want to ditch a brand ("Southern Miss") that's done a good job of hiding the embarrassing truth, i.e. that we're supposed to be a directional school in the poorest, possibly most reviled state in the nation?

We should embrace "Southern Miss" with open arms, and run away from anything that implies "Mississippi."

You're paranoid and have issues.

Go cheer for another team.

We might wanna be careful he might say we're saying offensive things and have the thread I started closed when it was nothing more than, hey we get to vote on a helmet.

(05-27-2013 09:44 AM)gdunn Wrote:  We might wanna be careful he might say we're saying offensive things and have the thread I started closed when it was nothing more than, hey we get to vote on a helmet.

If he makes the personal choice to get offended, he can make the personal choice and not click on the thread.

(05-26-2013 12:50 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Obvious question: what do we have to gain by putting the state outline on our helmet, or (as I've seen people suggest) emphasizing "Southern Mississippi" as opposed to "Southern Miss"?

Is there anyone on this planet who will like us better after they realize that "Miss" means "Mississippi"? We're talking about a state that voted something like 70% in favor of a Confederate-based state flag, and didn't desegregate its schools effectively until the 1980s.

Distancing ourselves from the rest of the state is not only smart, it's justifiable. Mississippi is solid behind MSU and Ole Miss. USM draws many students from places like New Orleans, Slidell, and Chalmette.

Do we really want to draw a line on our helmets that includes a bunch of questionable characters who don't like us all that much anyway, while excluding some of our best fans and alumni? Similarly, do we want to ditch a brand ("Southern Miss") that's done a good job of hiding the embarrassing truth, i.e. that we're supposed to be a directional school in the poorest, possibly most reviled state in the nation?

We should embrace "Southern Miss" with open arms, and run away from anything that implies "Mississippi."

Wow.

I have to wonder what it is like to live in the land of negativity that you exhibit. Naw, funk dat.





Please go climb back in the cubby of shadows and let the sun shine on the rest. You remind me of the ghost guy on EP. Sad it is....

(05-24-2013 06:32 PM)SouthGAEagle Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 03:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  These look good but can you make a bigger picture to check out the details?

Haven't seen a bigger photo of the helmet, but here's the logo on both black and gold backgrounds:






It's the updated version of this older logo:

We had ours first.

(05-27-2013 07:48 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 06:32 PM)SouthGAEagle Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 03:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  These look good but can you make a bigger picture to check out the details?

Haven't seen a bigger photo of the helmet, but here's the logo on both black and gold backgrounds:






It's the updated version of this older logo:

So first Iowa and now UNT

The feather helmet is bad to the bone - see my avatar.

Fear the golden feather!

(05-26-2013 12:50 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Obvious question: what do we have to gain by putting the state outline on our helmet, or (as I've seen people suggest) emphasizing "Southern Mississippi" as opposed to "Southern Miss"?

Is there anyone on this planet who will like us better after they realize that "Miss" means "Mississippi"? We're talking about a state that voted something like 70% in favor of a Confederate-based state flag, and didn't desegregate its schools effectively until the 1980s.

Distancing ourselves from the rest of the state is not only smart, it's justifiable. Mississippi is solid behind MSU and Ole Miss. USM draws many students from places like New Orleans, Slidell, and Chalmette.

Do we really want to draw a line on our helmets that includes a bunch of questionable characters who don't like us all that much anyway, while excluding some of our best fans and alumni? Similarly, do we want to ditch a brand ("Southern Miss") that's done a good job of hiding the embarrassing truth, i.e. that we're supposed to be a directional school in the poorest, possibly most reviled state in the nation?

We should embrace "Southern Miss" with open arms, and run away from anything that implies "Mississippi."

I see you have upgraded your contempt from southern miss to the entire state of mississippi.

the people that are stupid enough to be confused about whether or not the "miss" in "southern miss" refers to mississippi or missouri will also think that the state on the helmet is alabama.

I have to ask, USM fans: When Iowa received the judgment in the trademark infringement case, the USM administration was fully confident publicly that the issue would be resolved such that they could continue using the offending logo (you fans had even more confidence...but that's to be expected). I didn't see a financially feasible way they could do so outside of the ruling being reversed (after all, they aren't going to use a logo that they can't trademark and, so, can't profit from via merchandising) and fully expected a new branding effort to be announced with all positive spin. Instead, it seems the school has adopted a strange, "we're just doing this because it's cool" strategy where they use multiple combinations of older logos, numbers, nothing, now maybe a state profile, etc. The one image missing, of course, has been the one that was the subject of the judgment...and it hasn't been seen - to my knowledge/memory - since that case.

Are they just avoiding the public admission of defeat that would come with a rebranding? Are they waiting until everyone forgets that the "new" logo ever existed?

(05-28-2013 10:03 AM)blazr Wrote:  I have to ask, USM fans: When Iowa received the judgment in the trademark infringement case, the USM administration was fully confident publicly that the issue would be resolved such that they could continue using the offending logo (you fans had even more confidence...but that's to be expected). I didn't see a financially feasible way they could do so outside of the ruling being reversed (after all, they aren't going to use a logo that they can't trademark and, so, can't profit from via merchandising) and fully expected a new branding effort to be announced with all positive spin. Instead, it seems the school has adopted a strange, "we're just doing this because it's cool" strategy where they use multiple combinations of older logos, numbers, nothing, now maybe a state profile, etc. The one image missing, of course, has been the one that was the subject of the judgment...and it hasn't been seen - to my knowledge/memory - since that case.

Are they just avoiding the public admission of defeat that would come with a rebranding? Are they waiting until everyone forgets that the "new" logo ever existed?

There is rebranding of sorts going on now. The new uniforms were the first step. The new midfield logo for football will be another step. One thing Southern Miss is not going to do is take a large step away from the current color scheme and the Golden Eagle images. Too big a step, and you end up in the quagmire Ole Miss is in, where you are trying to please too many people and end up pleasing no one in the end. They are in a situation now where one group won't be satisfied until all references to Rebels and Mississippi's past are gone, one group won't be satisfied until the grey color schemes, confederate battle flags, Dixie, and Colonel Reb are restored, and the final group, by far the largest of the three, can't figure out what they are supposed to be thinking anymore.

One factor is that there is a group that has been commissioned whose job it is to report on how Southern Miss is perceived outside the Southern Miss community. Until that report is in, most changes will be done on an ad hoc basis.

I don't think the logo flap is really that big of a deal anymore. It happened, and the sense is that now it is time to move on. You don't get the sense that anyone is really dwelling on it, since there isn't anything we can do to change it. Instead, it just seems like more of a gradual transition to a new logo.