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RE: Elon to CAA?
(05-23-2013 03:06 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  To the press, Iammaniro also said "They're your problem now CAA".

He's fed up.
What did Elon do that caused such vitriol in a press release? Or does it reflect more on Iammaniro? Highly unusual.
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RE: Elon to CAA?
(05-23-2013 03:04 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  Stuff is starting to get kind of nasty.

http://www.soconsports.com/ViewArticle.d...EM_ID=4000

SPARTANBURG, S.C. – Southern Conference Commissioner John Iamarino released the following statement regarding Elon University:

“In recent years, it became increasingly evident that Elon’s negative view of the diversity in the Southern Conference was not shared by the majority of the membership. Our core group remains firmly committed to each other and to the academic and athletic success of the Southern Conference. We are preparing specific initiatives to achieve that success.”

Surely, he did not literally mean "in recent years". Until this year, the only team that came in since Elon joined was Samford, and there should be no complaints from Elon about how they fit. If Elon has been negative the last few months with the recent comings and goings, that is more understandable and likely accurate. Elon is the top ranked regional school for the South (among non-national universities), so they've earned the right to be a bit elitist. In education, "diversity" is often a euphemism for a mix that has not blended well (like mixing high and low achieving students and "teaching to the center"). I'm not saying at all that the new additions are not good academic or cultural fits. From an outsider's perspective, it seems like Elon is more disappointed in what left than excited, or even content, about what is coming in.
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RE: Elon to CAA?
It sounds like two things are being said:

1) Elon didn't like the mixture of public and private schools in SoCon

2) CAA's going to become a private-heavy league. Sucks to be you, Albany and Stony...
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RE: Elon to CAA?
(05-23-2013 02:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 02:08 PM)hapapp Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 01:37 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Some wild things being thought about memberships in the SoCon.
Doubt Furman goes anywhere, but do not know anything about some of those schools.
Will be interesting.

Agreed. I don't see Furman leaving the SoCon. They have more in common with Wofford, the Citadel, and Samford than they do with the CAA schools. I don't think they have any interest in joining what is essentially a mid-atlantic to northern conference. The addition of Mercer would seem to solidify their commitment to the SoCon.
Couldn't the same be said for Davidson and Elon? Sometimes a move is meant to differentiate a school from other regionals and at the same time be more attractive to recruits, students, and alumni that live further north. Furman may also forced to accept Coastal Carolina, which might be totally unacceptable to them.
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Elon is in NC but draws many students north of NC. Davidson was looking for a better basketball conference. Neither applies to Furman.
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RE: Elon to CAA?
(05-23-2013 05:10 PM)hapapp Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 02:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 02:08 PM)hapapp Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 01:37 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Some wild things being thought about memberships in the SoCon.
Doubt Furman goes anywhere, but do not know anything about some of those schools.
Will be interesting.

Agreed. I don't see Furman leaving the SoCon. They have more in common with Wofford, the Citadel, and Samford than they do with the CAA schools. I don't think they have any interest in joining what is essentially a mid-atlantic to northern conference. The addition of Mercer would seem to solidify their commitment to the SoCon.
Couldn't the same be said for Davidson and Elon? Sometimes a move is meant to differentiate a school from other regionals and at the same time be more attractive to recruits, students, and alumni that live further north. Furman may also forced to accept Coastal Carolina, which might be totally unacceptable to them.
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Elon is in NC but draws many students north of NC. Davidson was looking for a better basketball conference. Neither applies to Furman.

BINGO!
Furman is very very content in the SoCon. They are an FCS centric small southern private university in a conference that they have helped craft, i.e. other small southern private FCS centric universities. The ones with bigger athletic dreams are now gone and the SoCon will be able to experience stability. Although I do think the CAA may take UNCG which would be in the best interest of everyone at this point.

I am excited about the CAA's future. They need to go ahead and lock down Albany and UNCG and stabalize at 12. If JMU and Delaware leave in the future you have Stony Brook and Coastal waiting in the wings, even though some schools may have to bite the bullet with those additions.
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RE: Elon to CAA?
Albany isn't coming. Will they still go for 12 w/ UNCG and another?

They shoulda let Stony Brook in get Albany. SBU is a better program, Hofstra just won't allow it.

http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesports...ast/16115/
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Hey ETSUfan, that pirate needs to get checked for jaundice, them yellow eyes look bad. Welcome back to football man.
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RE: Elon to CAA?
CAA has to have 12. Travel is much harder financially with ten instead of 12. I wonder of stony brook will be revisited now that Albany said no or if the Fairfield rumor had any truth to it.
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RE: Elon to CAA?
If albany is staying, i doubt stony brook goes to the CAA + don't they need 1 southern school to balance the geography. UNC-G + x. Of course, i don't get these moves by the smaller school's, what's the point to travel all over at the lower levels. Heck, i don't even get davidson, i mean they are really a d3 school...going all out for hoops doesn't really change the davidson profile. I mean should kenyon move to d1 and try to join the a-10? would such a move really effect the student profile of kenyon? I guess davidson hoops heritage is grandfathered so they aren't retreating. Wofford on the other could think about d3 now. Yet, the big donors probably would flip out.
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(05-24-2013 10:02 AM)bluesox Wrote:  If albany is staying, i doubt stony brook goes to the CAA + don't they need 1 southern school to balance the geography. UNC-G + x. Of course, i don't get these moves by the smaller school's, what's the point to travel all over at the lower levels. Heck, i don't even get davidson, i mean they are really a d3 school...going all out for hoops doesn't really change the davidson profile. I mean should kenyon move to d1 and try to join the a-10? would such a move really effect the student profile of kenyon? I guess davidson hoops heritage is grandfathered so they aren't retreating. Wofford on the other could think about d3 now. Yet, the big donors probably would flip out.

A lot of it has to do with the overall quality of the schools in the CAA vs. the Southern Conference. Plus the CAA has a much better track record in basketball over the last decade than the SoCon.

Its like moving from the Summit to the Horizon league, its a side step but one that is higher ground.
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Seems as if there is a lot more friction between the SoCon and Elon than anyone
ever imagined.
Hope the CAA can handle the situation.
Feel antsy for JMU.
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RE: Elon to CAA?
(05-24-2013 02:29 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Albany isn't coming. Will they still go for 12 w/ UNCG and another?

They shoulda let Stony Brook in get Albany. SBU is a better program, Hofstra just won't allow it.

http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesports...ast/16115/

McElroy's denial is only partial. He never rejects the rumor, but only calls them "speculative rumors" on the internet. He says that in 2013-14 that Albany will absolutely be in AEC, which is almost certainly true. Elon is not moving until the next year. He then goes on to praise the AEC.

Albany will be in the CAA in 2014-15.

SBU would only be a short termer in the CAA, as the MAC wants a relationship with it and Del, JMU, and UMass IMHO.
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RE: Elon to CAA?
(05-24-2013 01:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-24-2013 02:29 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Albany isn't coming. Will they still go for 12 w/ UNCG and another?

They shoulda let Stony Brook in get Albany. SBU is a better program, Hofstra just won't allow it.

http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesports...ast/16115/

McElroy's denial is only partial. He never rejects the rumor, but only calls them "speculative rumors" on the internet. He says that in 2013-14 that Albany will absolutely be in AEC, which is almost certainly true. Elon is not moving until the next year. He then goes on to praise the AEC.

Albany will be in the CAA in 2014-15.

SBU would only be a short termer in the CAA, as the MAC wants a relationship with it and Del, JMU, and UMass IMHO.
I think SBU has a shot at the A10 w/ Siena after St.Louis and Dayton leave. Who are your top 2 to replace them?

What are you thinking in the MAC? JMU and Delaware for all sports and UMass, SBU fb only? I don't know if the MAC will go to 16 now w/ the Playoff only paying 1 mill per school up to 12, after 12 you're just cutting into your own pie unless you can make it up in tv $$
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(05-24-2013 02:35 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(05-24-2013 01:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-24-2013 02:29 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Albany isn't coming. Will they still go for 12 w/ UNCG and another?

They shoulda let Stony Brook in get Albany. SBU is a better program, Hofstra just won't allow it.

http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesports...ast/16115/

McElroy's denial is only partial. He never rejects the rumor, but only calls them "speculative rumors" on the internet. He says that in 2013-14 that Albany will absolutely be in AEC, which is almost certainly true. Elon is not moving until the next year. He then goes on to praise the AEC.

Albany will be in the CAA in 2014-15.

SBU would only be a short termer in the CAA, as the MAC wants a relationship with it and Del, JMU, and UMass IMHO.
I think SBU has a shot at the A10 w/ Siena after St.Louis and Dayton leave. Who are your top 2 to replace them?

What are you thinking in the MAC? JMU and Delaware for all sports and UMass, SBU fb only? I don't know if the MAC will go to 16 now w/ the Playoff only paying 1 mill per school up to 12, after 12 you're just cutting into your own pie unless you can make it up in tv $$

Believe all of JMU, SBU, UD, espn, and the MAC are in talks. $3 million additional revenue would more than compensate for going to 16. It would be a bold move by the MAC, but longer term could elevate it above CUSA.

If SBU, JMU, and UD all considering FBS, JMU and UD leaving would be a huge blow to the CAA, never mind if SBU was a new member. Albany is the best long term addition if Stony Brook has flight issues and Albany doesn't have a Hofstra.

Don't think SBU has a interest in the A10, as SBU wants to develop all sports (especially baseball, lacrosse, football), whereas the A10 is essentially a basketball league. My view is that Richmond and St Louis are the next Big East additions, with Siena and possibly Belmont (helps geography of both Dayton and Davidson) will be the A10 additions.
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If the MAC goes to 16, it could set up a new FBS league:

MAC:
Northern Illinois
Ball State
Western Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Bowling Green
Kent
Ohio
Miami (OH)

New League:
Delaware
UMass
Stony Brook
James Madison
Central Michigan
Toledo
Akron
Buffalo

The MAC looks west at Illinois State, Missouri State, etc. The new conference looks to build along the East Coast at Old Dominion, Charlotte, Towson, etc.
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(05-25-2013 08:23 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the MAC goes to 16, it could set up a new FBS league:

MAC:
Northern Illinois
Ball State
Western Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Bowling Green
Kent
Ohio
Miami (OH)

New League:
Delaware
UMass
Stony Brook
James Madison
Central Michigan
Toledo
Akron
Buffalo

The MAC looks west at Illinois State, Missouri State, etc. The new conference looks to build along the East Coast at Old Dominion, Charlotte, Towson, etc.
In case you missed the memo, the MAC is already FBS...
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(05-24-2013 02:35 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(05-24-2013 01:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  [quote='Fresno St. Alum' pid='9351004' dateline='1369380554']
Albany isn't coming. Will they still go for 12 w/ UNCG and another?

They shoulda let Stony Brook in get Albany. SBU is a better program, Hofstra just won't allow it.

Albany will be in the CAA in 2014-15.

SBU would only be a short termer in the CAA, as the MAC wants a relationship with it and Del, JMU, and UMass IMHO.
I think SBU has a shot at the A10 w/ Siena after St.Louis and Dayton leave. Who are your top 2 to replace them?

What are you thinking in the MAC? JMU and Delaware for all sports and UMass, SBU fb only? I don't know if the MAC will go to 16 now w/ the Playoff only paying 1 mill per school up to 12, after 12 you're just cutting into your own pie unless you can make it up in tv $$
part of the reason for the hofstra block of stonybrook is the desire to get an a10 invite. hofstra dropped football in part to show how committed it was to bbal just for an a10 invite. it can't have a big state school as competition, so sb continues to be blocked out.
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Could the MAC do a 12/16 format with JMU, UD, Stony Brook and Umass as football only members. I don't see why the MAC would want to send their basketball and non revenue sports farther east than they need to but that would obviously help their TV situation with ESPN

UMass, Stony Brook, JMU, UD, Buffalo, Kent St, Akron, Ohio
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RE: Elon to CAA?
(05-25-2013 08:23 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the MAC goes to 16, it could set up a new FBS league:

MAC:
Northern Illinois
Ball State
Western Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Bowling Green
Kent
Ohio
Miami (OH)

New League:
Delaware
UMass
Stony Brook
James Madison
Central Michigan
Toledo
Akron
Buffalo

The MAC looks west at Illinois State, Missouri State, etc. The new conference looks to build along the East Coast at Old Dominion, Charlotte, Towson, etc.



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RE: Elon to CAA?
Everyone has ideas of what the MAC can do or will do or should do, but yet the MAC does very little ever.
They seem pretty set with what they have. Even with calls to even out the MAC do not seem to bring any reaction from the MAC.
Would be really surprised then to see them do anything radical.
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