(05-21-2013 11:11 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  The P1G is going to have to drop some bowls. They added the Pinstripe Bowl (didn't they?). They'll have to move up on their pecking order to get a team to Detroit.

They are going after the Kraft Bowl also.

So we'll have a Bowl Game in Detroit that will match-up mid-tier B1G and ACC teams. Which means Maryland vs Syracuse would theoretically be a match-up.


I wonder if the people behind this idea have studied whether Maryland/Syracuse Bowl games in Detroit have been historical successes?


Keep it regional. The Motor City Bowl works as a regional Bowl that can draw a top-performing MAC team --- it won't work as a bowl game matching mid-tier B1G and ACC teams.

Except that Maryland will probably get placed in the Pinstripe and it would be a Purdue vs Syracuse game. That would still probably not outdraw a Central Michigan vs Purdue game, but your point is still valid. The bowl should stay regional.

Detroit in December is not a Destination.

(05-21-2013 12:06 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Except that Maryland will probably get placed in the Pinstripe and it would be a Purdue vs Syracuse game. That would still probably not outdraw a Central Michigan vs Purdue game, but your point is still valid. The bowl should stay regional.

Fair enough ... my point was that the Motor City Bowl risks becoming this. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_Bowl

The last 12 seasons...There were less than 40k only 3 times. Those 3 were the within the last 4 seasons when the economy has been in the crapper AND the other team was from the Sun Belt or CUSA.

December 29, 2001 Toledo 23 Cincinnati 16 44,164
December 26, 2002 Boston College 51 Toledo 25 45,761
December 26, 2003 Bowling Green 28 Northwestern 24 51,286
December 27, 2004 Connecticut 39 Toledo 10 52,552
December 26, 2005 Memphis 38 Akron 31 45,801
December 26, 2006 Central Michigan 31 Middle Tennessee 14 54,113
December 26, 2007 Purdue 51 Central Michigan 48 60,624
December 26, 2008 Florida Atlantic 24 Central Michigan 21 41,399
December 26, 2009 Marshall 21 Ohio 17 30,331
December 26, 2010 FIU 34 Toledo 32 32,431
December 27, 2011 Purdue 37 Western Michigan 32 46,177
December 26, 2012 Central Michigan 24 Western Kentucky 21 23,310

(05-21-2013 12:08 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 12:06 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Except that Maryland will probably get placed in the Pinstripe and it would be a Purdue vs Syracuse game. That would still probably not outdraw a Central Michigan vs Purdue game, but your point is still valid. The bowl should stay regional.

Fair enough ... my point was that the Motor City Bowl risks becoming this. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_Bowl

Cool. Thanks for the history lesson.

There's precedent, a bowl that could potentially match up Maryland vs Syracuse should be avoided.

From a Detroit Free Press writer...

Mark Snyder ‏@Mark__Snyder Wrote:Little Caesars Bowl could move to Comerica Park in next round, bowl official says...

(05-21-2013 11:34 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 11:11 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  The P1G is going to have to drop some bowls. They added the Pinstripe Bowl (didn't they?). They'll have to move up on their pecking order to get a team to Detroit.

They are going after the Kraft Bowl also.

The B1G is not pursing Kraft anymore since they've added the Holiday Bowl. That gives the B1G 9 bowl tie-ins; trading the Meineke for Pinstripe and adding the Holiday.

The B1G can sign as many as 11 bowls without a secondary agreement therefore it could do the MAC a favor and support a new bowl in Indianapolis.

A run down of what the P5 leagues are planning for their lower tier bowl games:

Liberty (B12 #6 vs. AAC)
Independence (ACC #7 vs. SEC #8)
Birmingham (SEC #9 vs. AAC)
Detroit (B1G #8 vs. ACC #8)
Military (ACC #9 vs. AAC)
Dallas (B1G #9 vs. CUSA)

I expect the game in Detroit to be a solid pick from both the B1G and ACC, filled in almost all years.

The MAC still has a chance to open a bowl game with the 10th pick from the B1G/SEC/ACC as a replacement. When the B1G/SEC/ACC are absent from their side of the tie-in the MAC #1 could invite the CUSA or SBC champ to play in it.

Personally, I'm glad the MAC is out of Detroit. It may be time to move the MAC Championship to Cleveland, IMO.

(05-21-2013 12:14 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  From a Detroit Free Press writer...

Mark Snyder ‏@Mark__Snyder Wrote:Little Caesars Bowl could move to Comerica Park in next round, bowl official says...

If true, then the MAC probably retains the tie-in, but who is on the other side?

I nominate the AAC. Temple is having nightmares.

(05-21-2013 12:14 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  From a Detroit Free Press writer...

Mark Snyder ‏@Mark__Snyder Wrote:Little Caesars Bowl could move to Comerica Park in next round, bowl official says...

Ya that will make me want to attend in person. :rolleyes:

(05-21-2013 12:16 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 12:14 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  From a Detroit Free Press writer...

Mark Snyder ‏@Mark__Snyder Wrote:Little Caesars Bowl could move to Comerica Park in next round, bowl official says...

If true, then the MAC probably retains the tie-in, but who is on the other side?

I nominate the AAC. Temple is having nightmares.

Move the game to Indy or even Cincinnati.

(05-21-2013 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Here is the Detroit News article:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130...|FRONTPAGE

"It's our intention to stay at Ford Field and if they (Lions) don't get a Big Ten game, that could happen. We would also consider the possibility of playing at another location. In fact, there's a great facility right across the street at Comerica Park, and why wouldn't Mike Ilitch and Little Caesars want to have a bowl game there? They have a bowl game at Yankee Stadium and it's been a success."

Great. So not only would we hear jokes about fans going to Detroit for a bowl game destination, but we could hear jokes about fans going to Detroit and sitting outside in the beautiful late December weather for a bowl game.

If this 'Detroit Lions Bowl' (man, this is all getting so absurd) got running, any reason why the stadium couldn't host two bowls if the games are at least a couple days apart?

(05-21-2013 12:18 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Move the game to Indy or even Cincinnati.

Little Caesars is headquartered in Detroit.

(05-21-2013 12:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Here is the Detroit News article:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130...|FRONTPAGE

"It's our intention to stay at Ford Field and if they (Lions) don't get a Big Ten game, that could happen. We would also consider the possibility of playing at another location. In fact, there's a great facility right across the street at Comerica Park, and why wouldn't Mike Ilitch and Little Caesars want to have a bowl game there? They have a bowl game at Yankee Stadium and it's been a success."

Great. So not only would we hear jokes about fans going to Detroit for a bowl game destination, but we could hear jokes about fans going to Detroit and sitting outside in the beautiful late December weather for a bowl game.

If this 'Detroit Lions Bowl' (man, this is all getting so absurd) got running, any reason why the stadium couldn't host two bowls if the games are at least a couple days apart?

Wow, I completely misunderstood this quote and the tweet saying the LCB could move to Comerica. I was thinking the new bowl would be played in Comerica. Comerica would be good - the field is huge, so there should be plenty of room for a field. IF they could get an AQ conference, I kindal ike this idea.

(05-21-2013 12:14 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 12:08 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 12:06 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Except that Maryland will probably get placed in the Pinstripe and it would be a Purdue vs Syracuse game. That would still probably not outdraw a Central Michigan vs Purdue game, but your point is still valid. The bowl should stay regional.

Fair enough ... my point was that the Motor City Bowl risks becoming this. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_Bowl

Cool. Thanks for the history lesson.

There's precedent, a bowl that could potentially match up Maryland vs Syracuse should be avoided.

I thought of that. But that game drew 50K fans. What's the best the M/LCB has drawn?

When it comes to national exposure of winning a "big game," might as well concentrate on the September OOC games for signature wins.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not minimizing a bowl bid and I love watching the Broncos make it to a bowl game. And having multiple MAC teams in bowls is a whole lot better than, say, in 2000 when only the MACC champ got the honor. But the system has gotten so watered down, so silly and (as another poster said) so dysfunctional in recent years. This Detroit Lions Bowl, if it ever comes to fruition and squeezes out the LCB, is a joke waiting to happen. If this happens, I will pray hard that the teams are bad, weather is terrible, and attendance is extra terrible when that game is played.

So if you're looking to turn heads, pull off a game like Toledo-scUM, CMU-MSU, NIU-Alabama, Ohio-Pitt, WMU-Iowa, and so on. Those are remembered for a long time and make bigger splashes.

(05-21-2013 12:45 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 12:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Here is the Detroit News article:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130...|FRONTPAGE

"It's our intention to stay at Ford Field and if they (Lions) don't get a Big Ten game, that could happen. We would also consider the possibility of playing at another location. In fact, there's a great facility right across the street at Comerica Park, and why wouldn't Mike Ilitch and Little Caesars want to have a bowl game there? They have a bowl game at Yankee Stadium and it's been a success."

Great. So not only would we hear jokes about fans going to Detroit for a bowl game destination, but we could hear jokes about fans going to Detroit and sitting outside in the beautiful late December weather for a bowl game.

If this 'Detroit Lions Bowl' (man, this is all getting so absurd) got running, any reason why the stadium couldn't host two bowls if the games are at least a couple days apart?

Wow, I completely misunderstood this quote and the tweet saying the LCB could move to Comerica. I was thinking the new bowl would be played in Comerica. Comerica would be good - the field is huge, so there should be plenty of room for a field. IF they could get an AQ conference, I kindal ike this idea.

What AQ conference would want it?

The B1G and ACC are planning to play at Ford Field.

The B12 is only deep enough for 6 bowl games.

The SEC? Seriously?

End the bowl game. Keep the MAC Championship in Detroit and let Little Cesar's be a sponsor.

Honestly, an upper level MAC team will bring more fans to the game than a lower level ACC team.

I don't understand the Detriot Lions organization forcing the MAC out. We've placed our MAC championship and bowl game there for a while. The MAC administration may want to give a 2nd thought to supporting a stadium/organization that is not supporting the MAC.

The thing is, the NCAA needs to approve this new bowl. The NCAA has denied new bowls in Orlando, LA, and another bowl or 2. Why would they sanction another bowl in Detroit? And a year or 2 ago the NCAA said they were not approving anymore new bowls that woudl raise the # of bowls above 35.