Let a few statements from a crazy law professor keep you from having a school like this in your conference? Check out the construction projects and campus master plan. Maybe you'll be so kind as to read the full journal and learn something new about 'ol LU!


http://issuu.com/libertyuniversity/docs/...75/2479534

(05-18-2013 10:57 AM)GATA Wrote:  

He promised us once that he would. But he's still here. I hope this isn't the integrity that LU would bring to the SBC. Maybe that's why JMU is more desired!

(05-18-2013 11:03 AM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:57 AM)GATA Wrote:  

He promised us once that he would. But he's still here. I hope this isn't the integrity that LU would bring to the SBC. Maybe that's why JMU is more desired!

I doubt the SBC takes into consideration posters from this board. Lol

(05-18-2013 10:49 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let a few statements from a crazy law professor keep you from having a school like this in your conference? Check out the construction projects and campus master plan. Maybe you'll be so mind as to read the full journal and learn something new about 'ol LU!


http://issuu.com/libertyuniversity/docs/...75/2479534

I think the most damaging thing for Liberty has been the Campaign for Liberty on this message board.

I think it caused some folks to go from neutral....to emailing their Presidents to avoid Liberty like the plague.

This is one of those cases where, in hindsight, silence and patience was the best option.

(05-18-2013 11:04 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:03 AM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:57 AM)GATA Wrote:  

He promised us once that he would. But he's still here. I hope this isn't the integrity that LU would bring to the SBC. Maybe that's why JMU is more desired!

I doubt the SBC takes into consideration posters from this board. Lol

They pay attention to emails sometimes.

It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

I don't do this often, but... LOL

(05-18-2013 11:25 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

(05-18-2013 11:25 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

Reminding me that "creation science" is a standard there (as well as other factors) just solidified my opposition. Sorry, buddy. I see Liberty's membership as creating too many negative distractions for a conference trying to accentuate the positive.

(05-18-2013 11:25 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

I appreciate with the greatest sincerity the sacrifice made by the brave men and women who have served and died in our military to defend our freedoms. With that said, I'm sure there are hundreds of stories of the bravery of our armed forces that have connections to different colleges, that doesn't mean it belongs on a SBC message board. If this involved one of our member institutions, or even former member institutions, I'd be more receptive to seeing it on a SBC forum, but it has as much place on our forum as a story about Youngstown State. Heck, one of the fastest players I've ever seen on a baseball diamond who suited up for the cajuns has to walk with a limp after being injured in Afghanistan serving for his country.

To reiterate what many others have said, the case for Liberty is not being done any favors by the constant harassment.

I don't really care if LU goes to the SBC. It's not like its the who's who of conferences. It's a upgrade from FCS but given its members seem to leave regularly its more of a transitional FBS conference. No shame in that. Just the way it is. Does anyone really think if App State starts stomping on schools it's going to stick around. Highly doubtful given the SBC isn't exactly lucrative. The SBC pays out roughly $40k in revenue to its current members. Other FBS conferences offer way more.

As far as the military aspect I attend LU and am station at Camp Stone in Afghan right now. LU seems to be popular with military folks and their families. The reason is they discount tuition for all credit hours at all levels. This discount also applies to wives of service members. I don't believe or care about creationism no one I know that attends LU does either. But what I do care about is if a business or University is pro-military. Most people and business/schools aren't. They say they are but in the end won't lift a finger for the people that help defend this great country of ours. LU is pro-military and for that reason alone I admire them.

Um mods, this thread has...

(05-18-2013 12:40 PM)panama Wrote:  Um mods, this thread has...

I'm new and this is my 2nd post ever on this forum. But why has this thread gone nuclear? I've read other threads about LU and this one hasn't downgraded into theology debates......yet....LOL.

Why not?

The only thing I took away from it was that the magazine claims 15,000 people graduated this year but 80% did it all online. We would basically be inviting University of Phoenix to the Sun Belt.

(05-18-2013 12:29 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  I don't really care if LU goes to the SBC. It's not like its the who's who of conferences. It's a upgrade from FCS but given its members seem to leave regularly its more of a transitional FBS conference. No shame in that. Just the way it is. Does anyone really think if App State starts stomping on schools it's going to stick around. Highly doubtful given the SBC isn't exactly lucrative. The SBC pays out roughly $40k in revenue to its current members. Other FBS conferences offer way more.

As far as the military aspect I attend LU and am station at Camp Stone in Afghan right now. LU seems to be popular with military folks and their families. The reason is they discount tuition for all credit hours at all levels. This discount also applies to wives of service members. I don't believe or care about creationism no one I know that attends LU does either. But what I do care about is if a business or University is pro-military. Most people and business/schools aren't. They say they are but in the end won't lift a finger for the people that help defend this great country of ours. LU is pro-military and for that reason alone I admire them.

1) The only chance at all for Liberty to move to FBS is through the Sun Belt Conference. No matter how much more "lucrative" another conference is. Liberty ain't going to it.

2) In order to transition to another league a Sun Belt school has to receive an invitation. Winning has little to do with getting that invitation. Troy University stomped the living daylights out of people on a multi-year run and have gone nowhere. Arkansas State is back to back champs and bowl winner and has no invitation. ULL is an attendance leader that wins games and sets bowl attendance records and has no invitation. ULM is a giant killer and they are going nowhere. App State and Georgia Southern are less likely to transition out of the SBC than Georgia State is.

3) Arkansas State has been on the military friendly list for four years straight. It is the home to the Beck Pride Center providing rehabilitation at no cost to combat-wounded veterans. Liberty has no monopoly on being military-friendly.

Beck Pride Center

To say something positive, Liberty will have loyal followers for a long time. By being a diploma mill they are creating a massive alumni base that seems to give back. They would be good for the conference in the sense that they will have fan support and money out the ass. JMU has both as well. MSU had fan support for baseball and basketball. Football will come with success. Not sure about their money situation.

Its too bad Liberty had Jerry make them look crazy. I knows he been dead a while but his reputation is still around. But even BYU and Notre Dame are independent and have had flack for their religious beliefs. Yes people want ND but BYU got left out of the mix because of some of their conflicts with playing on Sunday and such.