(05-18-2013 10:24 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 03:32 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I have nothing against Brooklyn. I was born there and grew up there. But Barclay should never be mentioned for a college basketball tournament.

It works for the Nets because it's perfect for commuters, sitting right on top of a LIRR terminal and having easy subway access.

But a conference tournament needs accommodations for out-of-towners. The Garden has hotels right across the street. Brooklyn has very limited hotel space and nothing immediately in the vicinity of Barclay.

Out-of-towners are easily intimidated by NYC. For them, trying to find their way to the arena by subway can be very confusing. The Sheraton is the nicest hotel downtown Brooklyn and its walkable to Barclay, but the walk would be intimidating because it's the busiest part of Brooklyn. Cabs are not as readily available in downtown Brooklyn as they are in midtown Manhattan - especially at 11:00 or so at night when tournament games end. What restaurants are available after a game on Atlantic or Flatbush Avenues at that time of night?

NY is the nation's biggest tourist mecca, giving visitors lots to do as tournament week moves on and there are fewer games - Broadway theaters, museums, Central park, the Empire State building, Ellis Island, Little Italy and China Town, the Financial district, South street Seaport, etc. But all that stuff's in Manhattan. And again out-of-twoners would be easily confused by navigating the city from downtown Brooklyn than from midtown Manhattan.

The first time I went to NYC, I didn't have any trouble navigating my way around the Burroughs via mass transit. But I can read a map. So perhaps I'm different than most...

This is not speculative on my part. Because I'm a native New yorker, I've been asked many times to accompany out-of-towners to The City to help them get around.

Moreover, we're talking about Brooklyn here. I'm guessing that you've never been to Brooklyn. It's very different than Manhattan, which is laid out in a grid and is easier than Brooklyn to navigate. Brooklyn's dicier neighborhoods are closer to Barclay than Manhattan's are to the Garden. Accommodations in Manhattan are all within easy walking distance of the Garden or are a short taxi ride away. This is not true in Brooklyn, which does not have the late night Broadway theaters to keep the taxis running late.

You're talking about your experience in Manhattan. If you've ever been to Brooklyn, talk about that experience. The two are worlds apart.

Is a conference a power conference if they don't have the power to stop from being pushed out of their traditional venue?

Guess we'll find out.

(05-18-2013 10:33 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:24 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 03:32 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I have nothing against Brooklyn. I was born there and grew up there. But Barclay should never be mentioned for a college basketball tournament.

It works for the Nets because it's perfect for commuters, sitting right on top of a LIRR terminal and having easy subway access.

But a conference tournament needs accommodations for out-of-towners. The Garden has hotels right across the street. Brooklyn has very limited hotel space and nothing immediately in the vicinity of Barclay.

Out-of-towners are easily intimidated by NYC. For them, trying to find their way to the arena by subway can be very confusing. The Sheraton is the nicest hotel downtown Brooklyn and its walkable to Barclay, but the walk would be intimidating because it's the busiest part of Brooklyn. Cabs are not as readily available in downtown Brooklyn as they are in midtown Manhattan - especially at 11:00 or so at night when tournament games end. What restaurants are available after a game on Atlantic or Flatbush Avenues at that time of night?

NY is the nation's biggest tourist mecca, giving visitors lots to do as tournament week moves on and there are fewer games - Broadway theaters, museums, Central park, the Empire State building, Ellis Island, Little Italy and China Town, the Financial district, South street Seaport, etc. But all that stuff's in Manhattan. And again out-of-twoners would be easily confused by navigating the city from downtown Brooklyn than from midtown Manhattan.

The first time I went to NYC, I didn't have any trouble navigating my way around the Burroughs via mass transit. But I can read a map. So perhaps I'm different than most...

This is not speculative on my part. Because I'm a native New yorker, I've been asked many times to accompany out-of-towners to The City to help them get around.

Moreover, we're talking about Brooklyn here. I'm guessing that you've never been to Brooklyn. It's very different than Manhattan, which is laid out in a grid and is easier than Brooklyn to navigate. Brooklyn's dicier neighborhoods are closer to Barclay than Manhattan's are to the Garden. Accommodations in Manhattan are all within easy walking distance of the Garden or are a short taxi ride away. This is not true in Brooklyn, which does not have the late night Broadway theaters to keep the taxis running late.

You're talking about your experience in Manhattan. If you've ever been to Brooklyn, talk about that experience. The two are worlds apart.

I visited Brooklyn, Queens, and The Bronx, as well as Manhattan. I saw the Brooklyn Borrough Hall, the Brooklyn Museum, the Brooklyn Historical Society Building, Plymouth Church, the Brooklyn Botanic Garden, Prospect Park, and other places of historical interest in Brooklyn...

Now I didn't see the Barclay Center. But since it hadn't been built at that time, that's not too surprising. I've got an excellent sense of direction, so I figure I could find it fairly easily. My first visits to big cities were Singapore and Hong Kong. I also spent a few years on the Berlin Brigade Drill Team, traveling all over Europe, before I got out of the military. After that, the NYC area was a piece of cake...

the bigeast has already lost the prestigious 830pm slot on espn on championship saturday

(05-18-2013 10:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:33 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:24 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 03:32 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I have nothing against Brooklyn. I was born there and grew up there. But Barclay should never be mentioned for a college basketball tournament.

It works for the Nets because it's perfect for commuters, sitting right on top of a LIRR terminal and having easy subway access.

But a conference tournament needs accommodations for out-of-towners. The Garden has hotels right across the street. Brooklyn has very limited hotel space and nothing immediately in the vicinity of Barclay.

Out-of-towners are easily intimidated by NYC. For them, trying to find their way to the arena by subway can be very confusing. The Sheraton is the nicest hotel downtown Brooklyn and its walkable to Barclay, but the walk would be intimidating because it's the busiest part of Brooklyn. Cabs are not as readily available in downtown Brooklyn as they are in midtown Manhattan - especially at 11:00 or so at night when tournament games end. What restaurants are available after a game on Atlantic or Flatbush Avenues at that time of night?

NY is the nation's biggest tourist mecca, giving visitors lots to do as tournament week moves on and there are fewer games - Broadway theaters, museums, Central park, the Empire State building, Ellis Island, Little Italy and China Town, the Financial district, South street Seaport, etc. But all that stuff's in Manhattan. And again out-of-twoners would be easily confused by navigating the city from downtown Brooklyn than from midtown Manhattan.

The first time I went to NYC, I didn't have any trouble navigating my way around the Burroughs via mass transit. But I can read a map. So perhaps I'm different than most...

This is not speculative on my part. Because I'm a native New yorker, I've been asked many times to accompany out-of-towners to The City to help them get around.

Moreover, we're talking about Brooklyn here. I'm guessing that you've never been to Brooklyn. It's very different than Manhattan, which is laid out in a grid and is easier than Brooklyn to navigate. Brooklyn's dicier neighborhoods are closer to Barclay than Manhattan's are to the Garden. Accommodations in Manhattan are all within easy walking distance of the Garden or are a short taxi ride away. This is not true in Brooklyn, which does not have the late night Broadway theaters to keep the taxis running late.

You're talking about your experience in Manhattan. If you've ever been to Brooklyn, talk about that experience. The two are worlds apart.

I visited Brooklyn, Queens, and The Bronx, as well as Manhattan. I saw the Brooklyn Borrough Hall, the Brooklyn Museum, the Brooklyn Historical Society Building, Plymouth Church, the Brooklyn Botanic Garden, Prospect Park, and other places of historical interest in Brooklyn...

Now I didn't see the Barclay Center. But since it hadn't been built at that time, that's not too surprising. I've got an excellent sense of direction, so I figure I could find it fairly easily. My first visits to big cities were Singapore and Hong Kong. I also spent a few years on the Berlin Brigade Drill Team, traveling all over Europe, before I got out of the military. After that, the NYC area was a piece of cake...

Congrats! You did an excellent job enjoying The city.

I would suggest to that you are unique or at the very least rare.

Again, even for those who get around cities easily, it doesn't change the fact that there are no hotels and restaurants across the street from Barclay as there are from MSG. There are fewer taxi cabs to help you get around. It's just not as visitor friendly a location as midtown Manhattan.

(05-18-2013 12:18 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  the bigeast has already lost the prestigious 830pm slot on espn on championship saturday

Is this guy serious?

(05-18-2013 10:31 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:25 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:40 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:53 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

That is what happened when Syracuse left and you separated from Cincinnati, Memphis & UConn...Dave Gavitt saw this when he created "The Real BIG EAST"...the new BIG EAST is just the A-10 on steroids...

Actually that's not what happened at all.

A conference that has had 4 teams in the last 5 Final Fours and 5 in the last 7 is about as far from midmajor as you can get. This is a conference which includes 4 past national champions among its membership. It is by definition a power conference.

in its entire history as a conference going back to the days of the Eastern 8 in 1976-77, that A10 has sent exactly one team to the Final Four - UMass (1996). And UMass' Final Four appearance was later vacated. The comparison of the Big east with the A10 is ludicrous.

Clearly anyone who calls a top 4 conference a mid major is not playing with a full deck. Especially when you take into consideration that the big east makes more tv money than the Go5 conferences.

It like this...the new BIG EAST is not a Power League...while true it will make a little more $$$$ then the GoF schools it still going to lag far behind the P5 Leagues.

Now you have the P5 League that has Syracuse, Notre Dame and 3 Elite Basketball Brands in UNC, Duke & Louisville interested in MSG...as Tim Brando on his show on the CBS Sports Network/Host of College Football Today on the CBS Over the Air Network said yesterday...this could go down within the next couple of years and rather quickly...the new BIG EAST doesn't have the fan base, brand or $$$$ that the ACC has...myself I am fine with Greensboro but would like to split it with MSG/Greensboro...just don't be shock if it happens...

(05-18-2013 02:13 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:31 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:25 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:40 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

That is what happened when Syracuse left and you separated from Cincinnati, Memphis & UConn...Dave Gavitt saw this when he created "The Real BIG EAST"...the new BIG EAST is just the A-10 on steroids...

Actually that's not what happened at all.

A conference that has had 4 teams in the last 5 Final Fours and 5 in the last 7 is about as far from midmajor as you can get. This is a conference which includes 4 past national champions among its membership. It is by definition a power conference.

in its entire history as a conference going back to the days of the Eastern 8 in 1976-77, that A10 has sent exactly one team to the Final Four - UMass (1996). And UMass' Final Four appearance was later vacated. The comparison of the Big east with the A10 is ludicrous.

Clearly anyone who calls a top 4 conference a mid major is not playing with a full deck. Especially when you take into consideration that the big east makes more tv money than the Go5 conferences.

It like this...the new BIG EAST is not a Power League...while true it will make a little more $$$$ then the GoF schools it still going to lag far behind the P5 Leagues.

Now you have the P5 League that has Syracuse, Notre Dame and 3 Elite Basketball Brands in UNC, Duke & Louisville interested in MSG...as Tim Brando on his show on the CBS Sports Network/Host of College Football Today on the CBS Over the Air Network said yesterday...this could go down within the next couple of years and rather quickly...the new BIG EAST doesn't have the fan base, brand or $$$$ that the ACC has...myself I am fine with Greensboro but would like to split it with MSG/Greensboro...just don't be shock if it happens...

You also have a league who can't give away tix for the first 3 rounds. People won't travel when the tournament is close but now all of a sudden they will pack the rafters for every session.

Also tell Creighton they don't have the fan base. Hahaha

(05-18-2013 02:13 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:31 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:25 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:40 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

That is what happened when Syracuse left and you separated from Cincinnati, Memphis & UConn...Dave Gavitt saw this when he created "The Real BIG EAST"...the new BIG EAST is just the A-10 on steroids...

Actually that's not what happened at all.

A conference that has had 4 teams in the last 5 Final Fours and 5 in the last 7 is about as far from midmajor as you can get. This is a conference which includes 4 past national champions among its membership. It is by definition a power conference.

in its entire history as a conference going back to the days of the Eastern 8 in 1976-77, that A10 has sent exactly one team to the Final Four - UMass (1996). And UMass' Final Four appearance was later vacated. The comparison of the Big east with the A10 is ludicrous.

Clearly anyone who calls a top 4 conference a mid major is not playing with a full deck. Especially when you take into consideration that the big east makes more tv money than the Go5 conferences.

It like this...the new BIG EAST is not a Power League...while true it will make a little more $$$$ then the GoF schools it still going to lag far behind the P5 Leagues.

Now you have the P5 League that has Syracuse, Notre Dame and 3 Elite Basketball Brands in UNC, Duke & Louisville interested in MSG...as Tim Brando on his show on the CBS Sports Network/Host of College Football Today on the CBS Over the Air Network said yesterday...this could go down within the next couple of years and rather quickly...the new BIG EAST doesn't have the fan base, brand or $$$$ that the ACC has...myself I am fine with Greensboro but would like to split it with MSG/Greensboro...just don't be shock if it happens...

Talking about fan base, the ACC doesn't have a school with?n 200 miles of MSG. The ACC couldn't sell out its tournament in Greensboro within driving distance of its fan base, but those same "no shows" are going to put in an appearance at MSG???

You seem to be pretty confident in your assessments of power leagues and what will happen in the future. Based on what?

Somehow the Pac-12 is a power league simply because they play big time football? Outside of UCLA, who in that league does anything in basketball?

To be a power league, don't you actually have to challenge for a championship once in a while? The Pac-12 hasn't made the Final Four even once in the past 5 years while members of the new Big East have been there 3 times in those same 5 years. Only UCLA (3 times) has been there at all in the past 12 years while the new Big East has had 4 different schools get there a total of 5 times.

How about the Big XII? Only Kansas (twice) to the Final Four in the past 9 years while the new Big East has had 3 different schools there a total of 4 times in the same period. Even when you throw in West Virginia's Final four when it was in the Big East, they still don't match the new Big East.

Florida looked like they were going to give Kentucky some real competition in basketball a few years ago. But since their back-to-back titles, the SEC has reverted to form. In the past 7 years since, we've seen Kentucky go to the final four twice without a single other team from the SEC getting there while new Big East teams have made 4 trips by 3 different schools.

The ACC is clearly the best basketball conference in the country now and The B1G has the depth to send someone to the Final Four on a regular basis, but what in the world differentiates the other so-called power conferences from the new Big East???

(05-18-2013 12:28 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:33 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:24 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 03:32 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I have nothing against Brooklyn. I was born there and grew up there. But Barclay should never be mentioned for a college basketball tournament.

It works for the Nets because it's perfect for commuters, sitting right on top of a LIRR terminal and having easy subway access.

But a conference tournament needs accommodations for out-of-towners. The Garden has hotels right across the street. Brooklyn has very limited hotel space and nothing immediately in the vicinity of Barclay.

Out-of-towners are easily intimidated by NYC. For them, trying to find their way to the arena by subway can be very confusing. The Sheraton is the nicest hotel downtown Brooklyn and its walkable to Barclay, but the walk would be intimidating because it's the busiest part of Brooklyn. Cabs are not as readily available in downtown Brooklyn as they are in midtown Manhattan - especially at 11:00 or so at night when tournament games end. What restaurants are available after a game on Atlantic or Flatbush Avenues at that time of night?

NY is the nation's biggest tourist mecca, giving visitors lots to do as tournament week moves on and there are fewer games - Broadway theaters, museums, Central park, the Empire State building, Ellis Island, Little Italy and China Town, the Financial district, South street Seaport, etc. But all that stuff's in Manhattan. And again out-of-twoners would be easily confused by navigating the city from downtown Brooklyn than from midtown Manhattan.

The first time I went to NYC, I didn't have any trouble navigating my way around the Burroughs via mass transit. But I can read a map. So perhaps I'm different than most...

This is not speculative on my part. Because I'm a native New yorker, I've been asked many times to accompany out-of-towners to The City to help them get around.

Moreover, we're talking about Brooklyn here. I'm guessing that you've never been to Brooklyn. It's very different than Manhattan, which is laid out in a grid and is easier than Brooklyn to navigate. Brooklyn's dicier neighborhoods are closer to Barclay than Manhattan's are to the Garden. Accommodations in Manhattan are all within easy walking distance of the Garden or are a short taxi ride away. This is not true in Brooklyn, which does not have the late night Broadway theaters to keep the taxis running late.

You're talking about your experience in Manhattan. If you've ever been to Brooklyn, talk about that experience. The two are worlds apart.

I visited Brooklyn, Queens, and The Bronx, as well as Manhattan. I saw the Brooklyn Borrough Hall, the Brooklyn Museum, the Brooklyn Historical Society Building, Plymouth Church, the Brooklyn Botanic Garden, Prospect Park, and other places of historical interest in Brooklyn...

Now I didn't see the Barclay Center. But since it hadn't been built at that time, that's not too surprising. I've got an excellent sense of direction, so I figure I could find it fairly easily. My first visits to big cities were Singapore and Hong Kong. I also spent a few years on the Berlin Brigade Drill Team, traveling all over Europe, before I got out of the military. After that, the NYC area was a piece of cake...

Congrats! You did an excellent job enjoying The city.

I would suggest to that you are unique or at the very least rare.

Again, even for those who get around cities easily, it doesn't change the fact that there are no hotels and restaurants across the street from Barclay as there are from MSG. There are fewer taxi cabs to help you get around. It's just not as visitor friendly a location as midtown Manhattan.

Like I said, I've always had a good sense of direction...

I remember once the wife and I were going to visit her brother while he was living in Pittsburgh, and she wanted to go see this hairstylist that had been profiled in some magazine. I figured while we were in the area, I'd go up to Wexford and visit my uncle. She kept asking me to stop and get directions, but I deferred, saying we'd call them once we got near my uncle's place...

We got off I-79 at Franklin Village, and I pulled up to a phone booth at the post office there. I called the place to get directions and they asked me where I was. I told them, and they asked me which direction I was facing. I was looking at the Post Office, and they told me to turn around. They were in this blue building just down the hill about a block away. It freaked my wife out, and since that day she never bugged me about directions again...

(05-18-2013 02:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 12:28 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:33 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:24 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The first time I went to NYC, I didn't have any trouble navigating my way around the Burroughs via mass transit. But I can read a map. So perhaps I'm different than most...

This is not speculative on my part. Because I'm a native New yorker, I've been asked many times to accompany out-of-towners to The City to help them get around.

Moreover, we're talking about Brooklyn here. I'm guessing that you've never been to Brooklyn. It's very different than Manhattan, which is laid out in a grid and is easier than Brooklyn to navigate. Brooklyn's dicier neighborhoods are closer to Barclay than Manhattan's are to the Garden. Accommodations in Manhattan are all within easy walking distance of the Garden or are a short taxi ride away. This is not true in Brooklyn, which does not have the late night Broadway theaters to keep the taxis running late.

You're talking about your experience in Manhattan. If you've ever been to Brooklyn, talk about that experience. The two are worlds apart.

I visited Brooklyn, Queens, and The Bronx, as well as Manhattan. I saw the Brooklyn Borrough Hall, the Brooklyn Museum, the Brooklyn Historical Society Building, Plymouth Church, the Brooklyn Botanic Garden, Prospect Park, and other places of historical interest in Brooklyn...

Now I didn't see the Barclay Center. But since it hadn't been built at that time, that's not too surprising. I've got an excellent sense of direction, so I figure I could find it fairly easily. My first visits to big cities were Singapore and Hong Kong. I also spent a few years on the Berlin Brigade Drill Team, traveling all over Europe, before I got out of the military. After that, the NYC area was a piece of cake...

Congrats! You did an excellent job enjoying The city.

I would suggest to that you are unique or at the very least rare.

Again, even for those who get around cities easily, it doesn't change the fact that there are no hotels and restaurants across the street from Barclay as there are from MSG. There are fewer taxi cabs to help you get around. It's just not as visitor friendly a location as midtown Manhattan.

Like I said, I've always had a good sense of direction...

I remember once the wife and I were going to visit her brother while he was living in Pittsburgh, and she wanted to go see this hairstylist that had been profiled in some magazine. I figured while we were in the area, I'd go up to Wexford and visit my uncle. She kept asking me to stop and get directions, but I deferred, saying we'd call them once we got near my uncle's place...

We got off I-79 at Franklin Village, and I pulled up to a phone booth at the post office there. I called the place to get directions and they asked me where I was. I told them, and they asked me which direction I was facing. I was looking at the Post Office, and they told me to turn around. They were in this blue building just down the hill about a block away. It freaked my wife out, and since that day she never bugged me about directions again...

I'm the same way. We'd have fun traveling together. Whether it's a dusty country road or a a big city, my curiosity always leads me to find my way to some place interesting. I drive friends and family nuts because I always find parking spots near my destination even in the heart of midtown Manhattan.

(05-18-2013 02:44 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:13 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:31 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:25 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  That is what happened when Syracuse left and you separated from Cincinnati, Memphis & UConn...Dave Gavitt saw this when he created "The Real BIG EAST"...the new BIG EAST is just the A-10 on steroids...

Actually that's not what happened at all.

A conference that has had 4 teams in the last 5 Final Fours and 5 in the last 7 is about as far from midmajor as you can get. This is a conference which includes 4 past national champions among its membership. It is by definition a power conference.

in its entire history as a conference going back to the days of the Eastern 8 in 1976-77, that A10 has sent exactly one team to the Final Four - UMass (1996). And UMass' Final Four appearance was later vacated. The comparison of the Big east with the A10 is ludicrous.

Clearly anyone who calls a top 4 conference a mid major is not playing with a full deck. Especially when you take into consideration that the big east makes more tv money than the Go5 conferences.

It like this...the new BIG EAST is not a Power League...while true it will make a little more $$$$ then the GoF schools it still going to lag far behind the P5 Leagues.

Now you have the P5 League that has Syracuse, Notre Dame and 3 Elite Basketball Brands in UNC, Duke & Louisville interested in MSG...as Tim Brando on his show on the CBS Sports Network/Host of College Football Today on the CBS Over the Air Network said yesterday...this could go down within the next couple of years and rather quickly...the new BIG EAST doesn't have the fan base, brand or $$$$ that the ACC has...myself I am fine with Greensboro but would like to split it with MSG/Greensboro...just don't be shock if it happens...

You also have a league who can't give away tix for the first 3 rounds. People won't travel when the tournament is close but now all of a sudden they will pack the rafters for every session.

Also tell Creighton they don't have the fan base. Hahaha

Crunching the 2012 attendance numbers, the 10 team Big East still averages 9,976 fans a game (from 10,881) which would probably put them 5th out of all conferences where they were 4th before. Not having Syracuse and UCONN drops the numbers but not drastically.

(05-17-2013 07:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:02 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  nothing says ACC like New York City

It does now with NY's #1 team in the ACC.

The Knicks are joining the ACC?

(05-18-2013 03:26 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:02 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  nothing says ACC like New York City

It does now with NY's #1 team in the ACC.

The Knicks are joining the ACC?

(05-18-2013 10:17 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:40 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:53 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Can't wait to see all the big talkers after B retires.

It is the actual definition. They only one taking it as a negative is you.

"many believe the term "mid-major" was originally coined by the sports media in order to distinguish between BCS and non-BCS conference teams"

Your league doesn't play FBS football. That makes it a mid-major by definition. No one is saying that is a bad thing. Good lord some people look for any reason to get pissed off.

(05-17-2013 08:18 PM)moo Wrote:  From the ESPN link:

Quote:Sources said MSG can get out of its deal before 2026 if the new Big East doesn't reach certain benchmarks. That would open the door for the ACC

I expect for Duke and UNC to throw a huge temper tantrum about this, but to eventually go along with the MSG plan. ESPN will have a big hand in this as well.

I think there will be one last Big East tournament at MSG, and I think those "certain benchmarks," i.e. tickets sold, won't be met. Creighton and Butler have nice fanbases, but they certainly won't be able to replace the crowds that programs like Louisville and Syracuse brought to MSG.

Half of Duke is from New Jersey. They would love to play in the Garden.

(05-18-2013 03:26 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:02 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  nothing says ACC like New York City

It does now with NY's #1 team in the ACC.

The Knicks are joining the ACC?

Har Har...It was obvious I was talking about the #1 college team in NY. Maybe I wasn't clear but I meant NY the state.

(05-18-2013 02:48 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:13 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:31 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:25 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  That is what happened when Syracuse left and you separated from Cincinnati, Memphis & UConn...Dave Gavitt saw this when he created "The Real BIG EAST"...the new BIG EAST is just the A-10 on steroids...

Actually that's not what happened at all.

A conference that has had 4 teams in the last 5 Final Fours and 5 in the last 7 is about as far from midmajor as you can get. This is a conference which includes 4 past national champions among its membership. It is by definition a power conference.

in its entire history as a conference going back to the days of the Eastern 8 in 1976-77, that A10 has sent exactly one team to the Final Four - UMass (1996). And UMass' Final Four appearance was later vacated. The comparison of the Big east with the A10 is ludicrous.

Clearly anyone who calls a top 4 conference a mid major is not playing with a full deck. Especially when you take into consideration that the big east makes more tv money than the Go5 conferences.

It like this...the new BIG EAST is not a Power League...while true it will make a little more $$$$ then the GoF schools it still going to lag far behind the P5 Leagues.

Now you have the P5 League that has Syracuse, Notre Dame and 3 Elite Basketball Brands in UNC, Duke & Louisville interested in MSG...as Tim Brando on his show on the CBS Sports Network/Host of College Football Today on the CBS Over the Air Network said yesterday...this could go down within the next couple of years and rather quickly...the new BIG EAST doesn't have the fan base, brand or $$$$ that the ACC has...myself I am fine with Greensboro but would like to split it with MSG/Greensboro...just don't be shock if it happens...

Talking about fan base, the ACC doesn't have a school with?n 200 miles of MSG. The ACC couldn't sell out its tournament in Greensboro within driving distance of its fan base, but those same "no shows" are going to put in an appearance at MSG???

You seem to be pretty confident in your assessments of power leagues and what will happen in the future. Based on what?

Somehow the Pac-12 is a power league simply because they play big time football? Outside of UCLA, who in that league does anything in basketball?

To be a power league, don't you actually have to challenge for a championship once in a while? The Pac-12 hasn't made the Final Four even once in the past 5 years while members of the new Big East have been there 3 times in those same 5 years. Only UCLA (3 times) has been there at all in the past 12 years while the new Big East has had 4 different schools get there a total of 5 times.

How about the Big XII? Only Kansas (twice) to the Final Four in the past 9 years while the new Big East has had 3 different schools there a total of 4 times in the same period. Even when you throw in West Virginia's Final four when it was in the Big East, they still don't match the new Big East.

Florida looked like they were going to give Kentucky some real competition in basketball a few years ago. But since their back-to-back titles, the SEC has reverted to form. In the past 7 years since, we've seen Kentucky go to the final four twice without a single other team from the SEC getting there while new Big East teams have made 4 trips by 3 different schools.

The ACC is clearly the best basketball conference in the country now and The B1G has the depth to send someone to the Final Four on a regular basis, but what in the world differentiates the other so-called power conferences from the new Big East???

The last National Championship from the New Big East was 1985. That is the difference between them and the other conferences, the real Big East won 5 since then, and all those schools have gone elsewhere.

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  No one is saying tear up the Big East Contract with MSG... all the talk I've seen from MSG and ACC is about several years down the road after the current Greensboro contract ends and if the Big East does not reach specific benchmarks in the coming year or two. MSG usually has ironclad contracts with specific ways out! I've both worked for and dealt with them before in Hartford at the Civic Center (XL Center).

Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

Any conference not in the Power 5 or really Power 4 Conference (football now drives the boat and ACC is the new Big East using good basketball to offset average football) is now a mid major unfortunately in terms of sports perception.

(05-18-2013 03:26 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:44 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:13 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:31 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:25 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Actually that's not what happened at all.

A conference that has had 4 teams in the last 5 Final Fours and 5 in the last 7 is about as far from midmajor as you can get. This is a conference which includes 4 past national champions among its membership. It is by definition a power conference.

in its entire history as a conference going back to the days of the Eastern 8 in 1976-77, that A10 has sent exactly one team to the Final Four - UMass (1996). And UMass' Final Four appearance was later vacated. The comparison of the Big east with the A10 is ludicrous.

Clearly anyone who calls a top 4 conference a mid major is not playing with a full deck. Especially when you take into consideration that the big east makes more tv money than the Go5 conferences.

It like this...the new BIG EAST is not a Power League...while true it will make a little more $$$$ then the GoF schools it still going to lag far behind the P5 Leagues.

Now you have the P5 League that has Syracuse, Notre Dame and 3 Elite Basketball Brands in UNC, Duke & Louisville interested in MSG...as Tim Brando on his show on the CBS Sports Network/Host of College Football Today on the CBS Over the Air Network said yesterday...this could go down within the next couple of years and rather quickly...the new BIG EAST doesn't have the fan base, brand or $$$$ that the ACC has...myself I am fine with Greensboro but would like to split it with MSG/Greensboro...just don't be shock if it happens...

You also have a league who can't give away tix for the first 3 rounds. People won't travel when the tournament is close but now all of a sudden they will pack the rafters for every session.

Also tell Creighton they don't have the fan base. Hahaha

Crunching the 2012 attendance numbers, the 10 team Big East still averages 9,976 fans a game (from 10,881) which would probably put them 5th out of all conferences where they were 4th before. Not having Syracuse and UCONN drops the numbers but not drastically.

I predict a bigger drop off. You are not factoring in the number of fans schools like a Syracuse would bring in for GTown, Nova, Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence and SJU home games and also the X Factor that the departing schools are the biggest draw on the calendar for the remaining BE schools. You are losing two schools that bring over 21/22k fans a game. UConn actually has been dropping attendance lately...Cuse and Ville are the two big attendance losses.