(05-19-2013 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:13 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 08:37 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  It's a great deal for both sides. ND gets to keep their "independence". They have better bowl opportunities. They get a great home for their Olympic sports. ACC gets more nationally televised games, more cash, better bowl tie-ins, another national brand to dangle for a conference network.

Two more cents: Texas is watching this

Yes, ND certainly derives some good benefits, but they also paid a significant cost, surrendering 45% of their schedule, while the ACC gave up nothing similar. I have no dog in this hunt and from what i can see the ACC made out much better.

The ACC gave up their long standing position of full-time membership only. That was tough for them. For 60 years they held that stance.

I am not against accounting for psychological costs, but i am not sure anyone in the ACC actually cared about that. E.g., if we asked a typical UVA fan i doubt they would even know that stance existed.

They absolutely cared. This isn't the first time someone explored the idea of partial membership with the ACC. The answer until now was always no.

(05-17-2013 11:05 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:32 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:04 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  The amount of hand wringing over Notre Dame taking a spot in one of these meaningless exhibition games is ridiculous. If you get into the play offs or the Orange Bowl, Notre Dame cannot "steal" that from you. If you're going to cry your eyes out because your team plays in Music City Bowl because Notre Dame went to the Russell Athletics Bowl, then that's just pathetic.

Hey dude... the rest of us have no problem with your ACC deal... if Wake comes up 7-5 or 6-6 and ND takes your place we could care less... and call me when you think that is fair...

Not only that, being eligible for an ACC contracted bowl game(provided they don't earn an AQ bid) while only playing 5 ACC games isn't ethical especially when ND earns a AQ bid they share none of that revenue with the ACC despite playing 5 ACC teams while earning that bid. Having your cake and eating it too.

On one hand, when ND takes a lower bowl slot that does hurt ACC teams that get knocked to an even lower bowl, but on the other, having ND in your bowl lineup will allow the ACC to sign a better roster of bowls, so on balance it is a wash.

And when ND plays an ACC team in the Orange Bowl, the ACC is paid $15 million more than when you play a B1G or SEC team, so you come out way ahead thanks to ND.

The ND deal is pure gold for the ACC. Enormous benefits and essentially no costs. Best deal ever.

Unless your team gets bounced out of a ACC contract bowl...

Let's wait and see how many bowls the ACC has. If you finish 7-5 there will be a spot regardless. If you finish 6-6 maybe there will be some case a team won't have a bowl game. Who sez they don't add another bow game or two in the next few years.

(05-19-2013 08:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:05 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:32 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Hey dude... the rest of us have no problem with your ACC deal... if Wake comes up 7-5 or 6-6 and ND takes your place we could care less... and call me when you think that is fair...

Not only that, being eligible for an ACC contracted bowl game(provided they don't earn an AQ bid) while only playing 5 ACC games isn't ethical especially when ND earns a AQ bid they share none of that revenue with the ACC despite playing 5 ACC teams while earning that bid. Having your cake and eating it too.

On one hand, when ND takes a lower bowl slot that does hurt ACC teams that get knocked to an even lower bowl, but on the other, having ND in your bowl lineup will allow the ACC to sign a better roster of bowls, so on balance it is a wash.

And when ND plays an ACC team in the Orange Bowl, the ACC is paid $15 million more than when you play a B1G or SEC team, so you come out way ahead thanks to ND.

The ND deal is pure gold for the ACC. Enormous benefits and essentially no costs. Best deal ever.

Unless your team gets bounced out of a ACC contract bowl...

Let's wait and see how many bowls the ACC has. If you finish 7-5 there will be a spot regardless. If you finish 6-6 maybe there will be some case a team won't have a bowl game. Who sez they don't add another bow game or two in the next few years.

Swofford was quoted a few days ago as saying the ACC was expecting to end up with 9 to 10 bowl tie-ins. I think thats enough to prevent any ACC bowl qualified school from ever getting left out. The ACC wil be fine with its new bowl schedule. The east conference that is in huge trouble with its bowl schedule looks like the AAC. That conference may have a bowl line-up that's worse than the MW and CUSA.

Seriously, if the AAC's top game is against the Big-12 #8/9 in the Liberty (assuming the AAC can even hold on to that game) then there is a good chance that the Big 12 puts 2 teams in the playoff or access bowls. I hat scenario there is no Big12 #8/9 for the Liberty. The liberty would be looking at a low CUSA pick or a middling MAC/Sunbelt school. How long will the AAC hold together when the reward for winning the AAC is a game against a mid-level Sunbelt finisher that probably just moved to FBS a couple of years ago.

(05-18-2013 12:21 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 12:08 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:28 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As a fan, if there were only say, six to eight post-season games in the entire country, I would be ok with that.

It used to be that way and it was just fine. The world didn't come to an end just because 7-4 teams didn't play in a bowl game.

But ESPN sees the December bowls as relatively cheap programming that gets good TV ratings, so the large number of minor bowls are here to stay, as long as the schools continue to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to the bowl leeches for the privilege of playing a matchup between two 6-6 teams on December 21.

Yes, and the schools lose money in those minor bowl games. From an economic POV, a team is better to go 5-7 and stay home. They make more money from the conference's revenue distribution than the 6-6 team does after losses from the bowl trip are factored in.

How boring would December be without the Bowl Games though. No, they are not that relevant, but it's for the student athletes... a reward for a hard season's work.

I watch the bowl game that Notre Dame may be in and.......I dunno, maybe one with Navy in it, perhaps/maybe one more.

That is it. I don't ever watch a lot of bowl games.

I get through December just fine.

Back in the Sixties and Seventies, there weren't that many bowls.

That made the "big bowls" on Jan. 1st something special.

Now? That chit is too watered down.

(05-19-2013 08:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:13 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 08:37 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  It's a great deal for both sides. ND gets to keep their "independence". They have better bowl opportunities. They get a great home for their Olympic sports. ACC gets more nationally televised games, more cash, better bowl tie-ins, another national brand to dangle for a conference network.

Two more cents: Texas is watching this

Yes, ND certainly derives some good benefits, but they also paid a significant cost, surrendering 45% of their schedule, while the ACC gave up nothing similar. I have no dog in this hunt and from what i can see the ACC made out much better.

The ACC gave up their long standing position of full-time membership only. That was tough for them. For 60 years they held that stance.

I am not against accounting for psychological costs, but i am not sure anyone in the ACC actually cared about that. E.g., if we asked a typical UVA fan i doubt they would even know that stance existed.

They absolutely cared. This isn't the first time someone explored the idea of partial membership with the ACC. The answer until now was always no.

Maybe a couple of admins cared, but not the broad ACC community. E.g., I lived in Maryland for 18 years and was well-versed in ACC culture, but nobody i knew ever identified a "no partial memberships in the ACC!" stance as some integral, or even partial, aspect of ACC identity and pride. I don't think anyone in the ACC ever heard of this notion until Swofford proclaimed it a couple years ago.

In contrast, something like Notre Dame's stance as a football independent is indeed an integral part of the typical Irish fan's identity, and thus a heavy psychological cost would likely be paid if ND joined a conference for football.

(05-19-2013 08:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:05 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:32 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Hey dude... the rest of us have no problem with your ACC deal... if Wake comes up 7-5 or 6-6 and ND takes your place we could care less... and call me when you think that is fair...

Not only that, being eligible for an ACC contracted bowl game(provided they don't earn an AQ bid) while only playing 5 ACC games isn't ethical especially when ND earns a AQ bid they share none of that revenue with the ACC despite playing 5 ACC teams while earning that bid. Having your cake and eating it too.

On one hand, when ND takes a lower bowl slot that does hurt ACC teams that get knocked to an even lower bowl, but on the other, having ND in your bowl lineup will allow the ACC to sign a better roster of bowls, so on balance it is a wash.

And when ND plays an ACC team in the Orange Bowl, the ACC is paid $15 million more than when you play a B1G or SEC team, so you come out way ahead thanks to ND.

The ND deal is pure gold for the ACC. Enormous benefits and essentially no costs. Best deal ever.

Unless your team gets bounced out of a ACC contract bowl...

Let's wait and see how many bowls the ACC has. If you finish 7-5 there will be a spot regardless. If you finish 6-6 maybe there will be some case a team won't have a bowl game. Who sez they don't add another bow game or two in the next few years.

I seriously doubt that any ACC team will ever actually have to stay at home during bowl season because Notre Dame took an ACC slot. Will ACC teams end up playing in Bowl Y instead of Bowl X because of Notre Dame? Sure, but since X will never be a major, BCS-level bowl, it is a trivial price to pay. There is no psychological difference between, e.g., playing in the Belk Bowl as opposed to the Music City Bowl.

(05-19-2013 10:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 08:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:05 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:32 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  Not only that, being eligible for an ACC contracted bowl game(provided they don't earn an AQ bid) while only playing 5 ACC games isn't ethical especially when ND earns a AQ bid they share none of that revenue with the ACC despite playing 5 ACC teams while earning that bid. Having your cake and eating it too.

On one hand, when ND takes a lower bowl slot that does hurt ACC teams that get knocked to an even lower bowl, but on the other, having ND in your bowl lineup will allow the ACC to sign a better roster of bowls, so on balance it is a wash.

And when ND plays an ACC team in the Orange Bowl, the ACC is paid $15 million more than when you play a B1G or SEC team, so you come out way ahead thanks to ND.

The ND deal is pure gold for the ACC. Enormous benefits and essentially no costs. Best deal ever.

Unless your team gets bounced out of a ACC contract bowl...

Let's wait and see how many bowls the ACC has. If you finish 7-5 there will be a spot regardless. If you finish 6-6 maybe there will be some case a team won't have a bowl game. Who sez they don't add another bow game or two in the next few years.

I seriously doubt that any ACC team will ever actually have to stay at home during bowl season because Notre Dame took an ACC slot. Will ACC teams end up playing in Bowl Y instead of Bowl X because of Notre Dame? Sure, but since X will never be a major, BCS-level bowl, it is a trivial price to pay. There is no psychological difference between, e.g., playing in the Belk Bowl as opposed to the Music City Bowl.

It is a win/win...if Notre Dame goes to the Playoffs...they keep all if that cash as they should...if they go to an Access Bowl they keep that cash as they should or if they go to the Orange Bowl against the highest available ACC School they keep that cash as well.

They help with the ACC Non CFP Level Bowl Lineup and they share in that revenue...improved lineup=more cash for the ACC.

It also seems with the addition of Notre Dame the ACC, and SEC are playing each other more often in bowls which is a benefit to the ACC, as long as they win on a even basis.

(05-19-2013 12:31 PM)baggerbob Wrote:  It also seems with the addition of Notre Dame the ACC, and SEC are playing each other more often in bowls which is a benefit to the ACC, as long as they win on a even basis.

Look @ it like this as well...if/when the ACC Network is up & running which network will have 95% of the content of the Best College Football Conference(SEC) & 100% of the content of the best College Basketball Conference-(ACC). It also within those two leagues the fastest growing population regions in the United States & all the while ESPN has the exclusive rights to the CFP. They are the "true winners".

Quo, not many ND fans are bitching and moaning about this ACC deal.

It is far better (from ND's perspective) than being a full member of the Big Ten or Big East (C7) or being a partial member of the AAC or Big 12.

What other options would you have provided for ND to consider?

(05-19-2013 01:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Quo, not many ND fans are bitching and moaning about this ACC deal.

It is far better (from ND's perspective) than being a full member of the Big Ten or Big East (C7) or being a partial member of the AAC or Big 12.

What other options would you have provided for ND to consider?

Let see...ND going forward plays Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt & NC State in Basketball...they play Virginia, UNC, Clemson, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Pitt & Louisville in Baseball. They control 7 Games in Football and have their own Over the Air Network to broadcast those games...has complete Access to the CFP and the CFP Bowls in the Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Peach Bowl & Fiesta Bowl along with the Non CFP Bowls like the Gator Bowl, Capitol One Bowl & Russell Athletic Bowl.

(05-19-2013 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 08:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:13 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, ND certainly derives some good benefits, but they also paid a significant cost, surrendering 45% of their schedule, while the ACC gave up nothing similar. I have no dog in this hunt and from what i can see the ACC made out much better.

The ACC gave up their long standing position of full-time membership only. That was tough for them. For 60 years they held that stance.

I am not against accounting for psychological costs, but i am not sure anyone in the ACC actually cared about that. E.g., if we asked a typical UVA fan i doubt they would even know that stance existed.

They absolutely cared. This isn't the first time someone explored the idea of partial membership with the ACC. The answer until now was always no.

Maybe a couple of admins cared, but not the broad ACC community. E.g., I lived in Maryland for 18 years and was well-versed in ACC culture, but nobody i knew ever identified a "no partial memberships in the ACC!" stance as some integral, or even partial, aspect of ACC identity and pride. I don't think anyone in the ACC ever heard of this notion until Swofford proclaimed it a couple years ago.

In contrast, something like Notre Dame's stance as a football independent is indeed an integral part of the typical Irish fan's identity, and thus a heavy psychological cost would likely be paid if ND joined a conference for football.

You're not that well versed in ACC culture. Read this article and you'll undertand how the ACC had to change who they are to admit ND as a partial member:

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...1491.story

(05-19-2013 01:26 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Quo, not many ND fans are bitching and moaning about this ACC deal.

It is far better (from ND's perspective) than being a full member of the Big Ten or Big East (C7) or being a partial member of the AAC or Big 12.

What other options would you have provided for ND to consider?

Let see...ND going forward plays Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt & NC State in Basketball...they play Virginia, UNC, Clemson, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Pitt & Louisville in Baseball. They control 7 Games in Football and have their own Over the Air Network to broadcast those games...has complete Access to the CFP and the CFP Bowls in the Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Peach Bowl & Fiesta Bowl along with the Non CFP Bowls like the Gator Bowl, Capitol One Bowl & Russell Athletic Bowl.

Yep, Jack Swarbrick should resign, then shoot himself in the face with a .357 Magnum, the incompetent louse.

(05-19-2013 03:09 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:26 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Quo, not many ND fans are bitching and moaning about this ACC deal.

It is far better (from ND's perspective) than being a full member of the Big Ten or Big East (C7) or being a partial member of the AAC or Big 12.

What other options would you have provided for ND to consider?

Let see...ND going forward plays Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt & NC State in Basketball...they play Virginia, UNC, Clemson, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Pitt & Louisville in Baseball. They control 7 Games in Football and have their own Over the Air Network to broadcast those games...has complete Access to the CFP and the CFP Bowls in the Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Peach Bowl & Fiesta Bowl along with the Non CFP Bowls like the Gator Bowl, Capitol One Bowl & Russell Athletic Bowl.

Yep, Jack Swarbrick should resign, then shoot himself in the face with a .357 Magnum, the incompetent louse.

Probably the best AD in the country after Tom Jurich. Shaking my head at this thread.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-19-2013 01:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 08:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:13 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The ACC gave up their long standing position of full-time membership only. That was tough for them. For 60 years they held that stance.

I am not against accounting for psychological costs, but i am not sure anyone in the ACC actually cared about that. E.g., if we asked a typical UVA fan i doubt they would even know that stance existed.

They absolutely cared. This isn't the first time someone explored the idea of partial membership with the ACC. The answer until now was always no.

Maybe a couple of admins cared, but not the broad ACC community. E.g., I lived in Maryland for 18 years and was well-versed in ACC culture, but nobody i knew ever identified a "no partial memberships in the ACC!" stance as some integral, or even partial, aspect of ACC identity and pride. I don't think anyone in the ACC ever heard of this notion until Swofford proclaimed it a couple years ago.

In contrast, something like Notre Dame's stance as a football independent is indeed an integral part of the typical Irish fan's identity, and thus a heavy psychological cost would likely be paid if ND joined a conference for football.

You're not that well versed in ACC culture. Read this article and you'll undertand how the ACC had to change who they are to admit ND as a partial member:

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...1491.story

Did Teel ever write an "Oops!" column less than one year later?

Has his sense of "equity" healed yet, I wonder.

You are absolutely correct, the ACC had to swallow some pride and force a bit of a culture change upon themselves to vote ND into the conference as a partial member.

I think it was/is a smart move and a good partnership for both sides.

(05-19-2013 03:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 08:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I am not against accounting for psychological costs, but i am not sure anyone in the ACC actually cared about that. E.g., if we asked a typical UVA fan i doubt they would even know that stance existed.

They absolutely cared. This isn't the first time someone explored the idea of partial membership with the ACC. The answer until now was always no.

Maybe a couple of admins cared, but not the broad ACC community. E.g., I lived in Maryland for 18 years and was well-versed in ACC culture, but nobody i knew ever identified a "no partial memberships in the ACC!" stance as some integral, or even partial, aspect of ACC identity and pride. I don't think anyone in the ACC ever heard of this notion until Swofford proclaimed it a couple years ago.

In contrast, something like Notre Dame's stance as a football independent is indeed an integral part of the typical Irish fan's identity, and thus a heavy psychological cost would likely be paid if ND joined a conference for football.

You're not that well versed in ACC culture. Read this article and you'll undertand how the ACC had to change who they are to admit ND as a partial member:

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...1491.story

Did Teel ever write an "Oops!" column less than one year later?

Has his sense of "equity" healed yet, I wonder.

You are absolutely correct, the ACC had to swallow some pride and force a bit of a culture change upon themselves to vote ND into the conference as a partial member.

I think it was/is a smart move and a good partnership for both sides.

I don't think he did an"oops" article, but he did write some that suggested talks were occurring before the deal was signed. I almost wonder if he forgot he wrote that piece a year earlier.

Personally, I'm a big fan of the ND deal. There's a part of me that doesn't want ND to join full-time yet. There's a mystique with ND that will diminish if they joined a conference full time. Now 10-15 years down the road I may change my mind and want them full-time.

(05-19-2013 03:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 03:09 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:26 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Quo, not many ND fans are bitching and moaning about this ACC deal.

It is far better (from ND's perspective) than being a full member of the Big Ten or Big East (C7) or being a partial member of the AAC or Big 12.

What other options would you have provided for ND to consider?

Let see...ND going forward plays Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt & NC State in Basketball...they play Virginia, UNC, Clemson, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Pitt & Louisville in Baseball. They control 7 Games in Football and have their own Over the Air Network to broadcast those games...has complete Access to the CFP and the CFP Bowls in the Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Peach Bowl & Fiesta Bowl along with the Non CFP Bowls like the Gator Bowl, Capitol One Bowl & Russell Athletic Bowl.

Yep, Jack Swarbrick should resign, then shoot himself in the face with a .357 Magnum, the incompetent louse.

Probably the best AD in the country after Tom Jurich. Shaking my head at this thread.

Cheers,
Neil

Jack Swarbrick-Notre Dame, Jeremy Foley-Florida & Tom Jurich-Louisville are the Gold Standard when it comes to AD in College Athletics.

(05-19-2013 03:31 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 03:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 03:09 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:26 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Quo, not many ND fans are bitching and moaning about this ACC deal.

It is far better (from ND's perspective) than being a full member of the Big Ten or Big East (C7) or being a partial member of the AAC or Big 12.

What other options would you have provided for ND to consider?

Let see...ND going forward plays Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt & NC State in Basketball...they play Virginia, UNC, Clemson, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Pitt & Louisville in Baseball. They control 7 Games in Football and have their own Over the Air Network to broadcast those games...has complete Access to the CFP and the CFP Bowls in the Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Peach Bowl & Fiesta Bowl along with the Non CFP Bowls like the Gator Bowl, Capitol One Bowl & Russell Athletic Bowl.

Yep, Jack Swarbrick should resign, then shoot himself in the face with a .357 Magnum, the incompetent louse.

Probably the best AD in the country after Tom Jurich. Shaking my head at this thread.

Cheers,
Neil

Jack Swarbrick-Notre Dame, Jeremy Foley-Florida & Tom Jurich-Louisville are the Gold Standard when it comes to AD in College Athletics.

Jeremy Foley definitely belongs in there as well. Good catch. I'm sure there are probably one or two West of the Mississippi as well, but my knowledge is less in that region. The only one who quickly comes to mind is DeLoss Dodds but he shoots his mouth off more than he should.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-19-2013 03:26 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 03:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 08:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  They absolutely cared. This isn't the first time someone explored the idea of partial membership with the ACC. The answer until now was always no.

Maybe a couple of admins cared, but not the broad ACC community. E.g., I lived in Maryland for 18 years and was well-versed in ACC culture, but nobody i knew ever identified a "no partial memberships in the ACC!" stance as some integral, or even partial, aspect of ACC identity and pride. I don't think anyone in the ACC ever heard of this notion until Swofford proclaimed it a couple years ago.

In contrast, something like Notre Dame's stance as a football independent is indeed an integral part of the typical Irish fan's identity, and thus a heavy psychological cost would likely be paid if ND joined a conference for football.

You're not that well versed in ACC culture. Read this article and you'll undertand how the ACC had to change who they are to admit ND as a partial member:

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...1491.story

Did Teel ever write an "Oops!" column less than one year later?

Has his sense of "equity" healed yet, I wonder.

You are absolutely correct, the ACC had to swallow some pride and force a bit of a culture change upon themselves to vote ND into the conference as a partial member.

I think it was/is a smart move and a good partnership for both sides.

I don't think he did an"oops" article, but he did write some that suggested talks were occurring before the deal was signed. I almost wonder if he forgot he wrote that piece a year earlier.

Personally, I'm a big fan of the ND deal. There's a part of me that doesn't want ND to join full-time yet. There's a mystique with ND that will diminish if they joined a conference full time. Now 10-15 years down the road I may change my mind and want them full-time.

I am @ the point I don't want Notre Dame as a Full Member. Keep the current deal as is...it doesn't hurt the full members and I am all for ND keeping what sets them apart from everyone else. That identity actually helps the ACC IMO because we play them 5 games a year and our schools when we play the, get the ND rub & they help out big time with our Non CFP Bowl Lineup and i suspect they will help out big time with the upcoming ACC Network with ND Basketball/Baseball. Not that those two sports are better then any of the full members but their fans are going to want to watch them play and that will help with distribution especially in the Chicago area and the Northeast.

(05-19-2013 03:38 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 03:31 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 03:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 03:09 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:26 PM)Maize Wrote:  Let see...ND going forward plays Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt & NC State in Basketball...they play Virginia, UNC, Clemson, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Pitt & Louisville in Baseball. They control 7 Games in Football and have their own Over the Air Network to broadcast those games...has complete Access to the CFP and the CFP Bowls in the Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Peach Bowl & Fiesta Bowl along with the Non CFP Bowls like the Gator Bowl, Capitol One Bowl & Russell Athletic Bowl.

Yep, Jack Swarbrick should resign, then shoot himself in the face with a .357 Magnum, the incompetent louse.

Probably the best AD in the country after Tom Jurich. Shaking my head at this thread.

Cheers,
Neil

Jack Swarbrick-Notre Dame, Jeremy Foley-Florida & Tom Jurich-Louisville are the Gold Standard when it comes to AD in College Athletics.

Jeremy Foley definitely belongs in there as well. Good catch. I'm sure there are probably one or two West of the Mississippi as well, but my knowledge is less in that region. The only one who quickly comes to mind is DeLoss Dodds but he shoots his mouth off more than he should.

Cheers,
Neil

Nah, will not put Dodds on that list, nobody get less bang for their bucks then the Texas/Big XII Leader...