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RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
(05-20-2013 10:18 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  ... Why should OSU, UM, and PSU have to share football money if Hopkins doesn't have to share LAX money? ...
Especially given that JHU isn't including that in its terms?

Remember that the committee report includes keeping its ESPNU contract and doesn't expect to share in a conference payout.

The biggest potential sticking point in those terms is not the option to leave again. Its the women's team not being in the Big Ten women's LAX. The biggest argument that JHU has going for it for the Big Ten making an exception to their "all in" tradition is that Lacrosse is all of their scholarship sports. So an affiliate relationship with their two LAX teams would be "all in", as far as their scholarship sports go.

But they are asking for an exception to be made on that, which is going to involve some negotiation. If its not a total deal breaker, I'd expect a term in the association agreement that the women's team team either be independent or in the Big Ten ~ which is to say, specifying it as "no competing conferences" rule.
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RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
(05-20-2013 06:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 05:01 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  Institutions which play all the major men's team sports, namely FBS Football, Basketball, Hockey, Lacrosse, Baseball and Soccer:

- The 3 Service Academies - where everyone is on "scholarship" and they have overwhelming male to female ratios.
- Ohio State
- Michigan, which just added men's lacrosse.
- Penn State, which just added hockey.
- UMass, which just added FBS football.

Are you trying to say that only the schools you mentioned play all of those sports?

Notre Dame?

I forgot Notre Dame. I was going through FBS conferences in my mind, and they aren't in one. I only caught the service academies due to Air Force being in the Mountain West.
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RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
(05-20-2013 05:59 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 06:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 05:01 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  Institutions which play all the major men's team sports, namely FBS Football, Basketball, Hockey, Lacrosse, Baseball and Soccer:

- The 3 Service Academies - where everyone is on "scholarship" and they have overwhelming male to female ratios.
- Ohio State
- Michigan, which just added men's lacrosse.
- Penn State, which just added hockey.
- UMass, which just added FBS football.

Are you trying to say that only the schools you mentioned play all of those sports?

Notre Dame?

I forgot Notre Dame. I was going through FBS conferences in my mind, and they aren't in one. I only caught the service academies due to Air Force being in the Mountain West.

Navy has a Hockey Team?

Add Men's Volleyball and the list shrinks to Ohio State and Penn State
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RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
(05-20-2013 06:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 05:59 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 06:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 05:01 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  Institutions which play all the major men's team sports, namely FBS Football, Basketball, Hockey, Lacrosse, Baseball and Soccer:

- The 3 Service Academies - where everyone is on "scholarship" and they have overwhelming male to female ratios.
- Ohio State
- Michigan, which just added men's lacrosse.
- Penn State, which just added hockey.
- UMass, which just added FBS football.

Are you trying to say that only the schools you mentioned play all of those sports?

Notre Dame?

I forgot Notre Dame. I was going through FBS conferences in my mind, and they aren't in one. I only caught the service academies due to Air Force being in the Mountain West.

Navy has a Hockey Team?

Add Men's Volleyball and the list shrinks to Ohio State and Penn State

volleyball? he said MENS sports! 05-stirthepot
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Re: RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
(05-20-2013 06:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 05:59 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 06:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 05:01 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  Institutions which play all the major men's team sports, namely FBS Football, Basketball, Hockey, Lacrosse, Baseball and Soccer:

- The 3 Service Academies - where everyone is on "scholarship" and they have overwhelming male to female ratios.
- Ohio State
- Michigan, which just added men's lacrosse.
- Penn State, which just added hockey.
- UMass, which just added FBS football.

Are you trying to say that only the schools you mentioned play all of those sports?

Notre Dame?

I forgot Notre Dame. I was going through FBS conferences in my mind, and they aren't in one. I only caught the service academies due to Air Force being in the Mountain West.

Navy has a Hockey Team?

Add Men's Volleyball and the list shrinks to Ohio State and Penn State

Good catch, Navy currently doesn't have a men's ice hockey team. At least not an NCAA D-1 affiliated one.

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RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
(05-20-2013 06:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Add Men's Volleyball and the list shrinks to Ohio State and Penn State
If it were ever to become a major men's sport, it wouldn't be just Ohio State and Penn State playing it in that list.

There's a reason they put the men's volleyball competition in Spring ~ compared to taking on football and soccer in the fall, or basketball and ice hockey in the winter, taking on baseball and lacrosse looks a lot more appealing.
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RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
(05-20-2013 06:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Navy has a Hockey Team?

I get a Fail on creating that list. Let's have a do-over.

Universities which play all the major/manly men's team sports (FBS FB, basketball, hockey, baseball, lacrosse, soccer):

Air Force
Army
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Massachusetts

Nobody has every single men's team sport sponsored by the NCAA, which would include men's volleyball and men's water polo. A couple of the above have volleyball, but only Air Force has water polo (but not men's volleyball, despite what Top Gun would suggest).
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RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
(05-21-2013 02:09 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  
(05-20-2013 06:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Navy has a Hockey Team?

I get a Fail on creating that list. Let's have a do-over.

Universities which play all the major/manly men's team sports (FBS FB, basketball, hockey, baseball, lacrosse, soccer):

Air Force
Army
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Massachusetts

Nobody has every single men's team sport sponsored by the NCAA, which would include men's volleyball and men's water polo. A couple of the above have volleyball, but only Air Force has water polo (but not men's volleyball, despite what Top Gun would suggest).

If you add FCS Football, which is a major men's sport, you would add Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton and Yale to your list.

In Addition, Harvard and Princeton sponsor BOTH Men's Volleyball and Water Polo.
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RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
So basically Johns Hopkins wants a temporary arrangement that they can back out of where they take no money, but give no money. And they don't want to be kicked out of the league if another school sponsors lacrosse?

I guess all that they bring to the table are the ability to get an automatic bid and prestige. That seems to favor the Big 10 more than anything. The ACC already has dominant programs and does not have an auto birth (next season they will be at 6 schools before Maryland leaves). Not sure the ACC needs or wants Hopkins if they bring nothing to the table. There would have to be some academic tie-ins to make it worthwhile.
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RE: Hopkins Report on Joining Conference: Green Light (link)
(05-21-2013 03:10 PM)Jericho Wrote:  So basically Johns Hopkins wants a temporary arrangement that they can back out of where they take no money, but give no money. And they don't want to be kicked out of the league if another school sponsors lacrosse?
Yes. Plus just their men's team, their women's still doesn't want to fight in a conference against big money AD's and their facilities arms race.

Quote: I guess all that they bring to the table are the ability to get an automatic bid and prestige. That seems to favor the Big 10 more than anything. The ACC already has dominant programs and does not have an auto birth (next season they will be at 6 schools before Maryland leaves).
But since JHU is traditional rivals of so many ACC schools, they might get the invite anyway.

Quote: Not sure the ACC needs or wants Hopkins if they bring nothing to the table. There would have to be some academic tie-ins to make it worthwhile.
There's the possibility of an upgrade of the ACC contract with ESPNU if JHU is added to the conference, even if the home games are still under the ESPNU contract with JHU. Even if its just number of appearances, that's still a bonus.

So its not certain whether there's actually nothing that JHU brings to the table, but they definitely bring more to the Big Ten ~ a conference with two blue bloods is just more interesting to follow than a conference with only one.
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