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Quote:Your scenario isn't quite hitting all the expenses of said HS. You'll need more teachers than that trust me. You'll either need to be able to find some teachers that are dual certifited in Art/Science (which is hard to find) or you'll have to have some that teach smaller classes just to offer the right classes. Also teachers will get a prep period for planning etc

FB, I based that on an average of 28 kids per classroom. I also pointed out that specials teachers (art, music, band, etc.) needed to be funded out of the remaining 1.4 million. I also included Title I funds from the feds to help pay for Sped and other classes for special needs kids.

I stand by my math. I've been an educator for 22 years and have watched one stupid spending decision after another by an over staffed ad building.
05-16-2013 09:39 AM
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(05-15-2013 09:47 AM)fbgab Wrote:  Consolidation of districts in Michigan is sorely needed. A huge relief on the tax burden could be made. Don't even need to close any schools (although several would), just need to consolidate the districts, and eliminate a lot of the administrative overhead. Think if we cut about 1/3 of the supers in the state all making grossly over 100K a year. As well as their staff. Tens of Millions of dollars could be saved, and zero would be taken away from the actual in class instruction budget.

Absolutely.

Believe it or not, Ohio's even worse in my experience. The number of districts we have here is baffling.

Meanwhile, of course, it's the teachers getting laid off, not seeing any pay increases, being forced to pay for advanced degrees out-of-pocket just to keep a job, etc. Eliminating some of the overhead certainly seems like the right approach.
05-16-2013 09:42 AM
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(05-16-2013 09:35 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 09:29 AM)okgc Wrote:  BC Enquirer is still in business because they still have current coverage of THEIR community. A concept the corporate Mlive managers do not seem to grasp.

Right on the money on both accounts. Does the Enquirer still publish seven days a week?

Yup, it does.
05-16-2013 11:03 AM
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(05-16-2013 09:42 AM)stdatwmu Wrote:  
(05-15-2013 09:47 AM)fbgab Wrote:  Consolidation of districts in Michigan is sorely needed. A huge relief on the tax burden could be made. Don't even need to close any schools (although several would), just need to consolidate the districts, and eliminate a lot of the administrative overhead. Think if we cut about 1/3 of the supers in the state all making grossly over 100K a year. As well as their staff. Tens of Millions of dollars could be saved, and zero would be taken away from the actual in class instruction budget.

Absolutely.

Believe it or not, Ohio's even worse in my experience. The number of districts we have here is baffling.

Meanwhile, of course, it's the teachers getting laid off, not seeing any pay increases, being forced to pay for advanced degrees out-of-pocket just to keep a job, etc. Eliminating some of the overhead certainly seems like the right approach.


It's worse than you think. There's tons of double dipping by retired administrators who collect their school retirement and then come back to the same district as "consultants"

Nice gravy train if you can get on it.
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"Gubment workers".
05-16-2013 11:08 AM
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It's worse than you think. There's tons of double dipping by retired administrators who collect their school retirement and then come back to the same district as "consultants"

Nice gravy train if you can get on it.
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Almost an epidemic
05-16-2013 11:14 AM
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Prolly the same people that complain about their high taxes too.
05-16-2013 11:49 AM
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(05-15-2013 10:17 AM)fbgab Wrote:  I would think if you were looking at the Kzoo area you could do something along these lines. (again none of these schools would need to close to pull this off...but certainly a few likely would and would merge)

Merge Schoolcraft and Vicksburg Call it the Southern Kalamazoo County School District for example
Merge Otsego and Plainwell districts
Put Parchment and Comstock and Kzoo Public together.
Merge G-A and C-S
Merge Paw Paw and Mattawan
Merge Gobles and Bloomingdale
Merge Delton with Gull Lake

None of these districts in theory would need to layoff a teacher or close a building.
What I listed above is 15 separate districts currently, that I've merged into 7 new districts.
In just the greater Kzoo area alone, if assume you are removing a super making 125K, and some office staff that combine for say 75K. You have already saved $1.4 million in salary costs annually. That doesn't take into account benefits, and long term retirement pensions that will not be handed out. Do this throughout the state and you can see savings of 50-100 million a year is reasonable. Without touching classroom channeled money.

I went to highschool in G-A, I remember hearing a couple teachers say that when the two towns merged their schools there were parents that pulled their kids out. One reason mentioned was that the two towns were rivals and people didn't want their kids going to 'that town'. another issue may have been distance bussed, there is a whole lot of nothing around those towns, Delton and Gull Lake are similar and Climax - Scotts even more so.

Wonder how many Albion kids will be in Jackson schools next year.
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will some charter quickly set up shop there?
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Back to Albion.

When I was in high school, they had a really good basketball team led by Jason Moorehead and Lavall Jordan (briefly of WMU, now at Michigan as assistant coach). I saw them play in Battle Creek against Mattawan in the regionals I believe. Really really good high school team at the time.

Those guys could have been good Broncos if there was mutual interest.
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(05-17-2013 11:51 AM)EA3 Wrote:  Back to Albion.

When I was in high school, they had a really good basketball team led by Jason Moorehead and Lavall Jordan (briefly of WMU, now at Michigan as assistant coach). I saw them play in Battle Creek against Mattawan in the regionals I believe. Really really good high school team at the time.

Those guys could have been good Broncos if there was mutual interest.

Just read that Moorehead originally signed with EMU, but failed to qualify academically. I didn't know that.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=13...3431,97573
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Albion has historically had very good teams, my junior year we lost in the semi-finals @MSU, my senior year we were ranked #1 all season until we were upset by a very good Jackson Lumen Christi team, who themselves got to the quarterfinals. They had a kid named Joe Schlaack who went on to play at Marshall University.

With respect to Moorhead, his father was a childcare worker of mine in the orphanage. He (the father) played BB at Hillsdale, then had a tryout for the Knicks (last player cut in about 1969 or so). The Knicks kept Don May instead (All American from Dayton). If I'm not mistaken, Ken may have played briefly for the LA Stars of the old ABA.
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We lost to albion my senior year by one point twice when the had David washington who went to minnesota with the coach and another kid went to idaho st. They lost to chris webber in the semis. We skipped school to go watch. Webber looked like a man among kindergarteners. ... will never forget him bringing the ball up the court dunking and the blocking a shoot then bringing it up and drilling a three. He was just messing around.
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I remember that whole deal. Washington was not a superstar, but coach Milton Barnes went to Minnesota as an asst., then I think to emu, then to the globetrotters.
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(05-17-2013 06:03 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  I remember that whole deal. Washington was not a superstar, but coach Milton Barnes went to Minnesota as an asst., then I think to emu, then to the globetrotters.

Washington was 6-10 and could jump but could do little else. Barnes was the head coach at emu. Quick search shows he is now the head coach of the US Virgin Island national team which seems like good work if u can get it.
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Very nice work if you can get it.
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Now that I think about, coach Milton Barnes played ball at Albion College and they finished 2nd in the nation in D3 in about 1976 or so.
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Interesting how "school of choice" may have affected Albion Schools. According to this article 671 Albion students are already enrolled elsewhere costing Albion Schools a possible $4,680,386 in revenue.

Sorry if this is 'old' news to some of you.

Quote:source BC Enquirer
Where are Albion’s kids?

The Albion Public Schools Board of Education voted Tuesday to stop offering grades 9 through 12 and to send Albion high school students to Marshall High School. They did so to cover a projected $945,000 budget shortfall that many argued was caused by Albion students attending other districts through the state’s Schools of Choice program.
The numbers below show full-time equivalency students, which measures the time a student spends in class and not just a head count. A half-day kindergarten student, for example, would be 0.5 FTEs.
District Albion students enrolled
Homer Community Schools 171.3
Concord Community Schools 129
Springport Public Schools 128
Mar Lee School 103
Marshall Public Schools 86.57
Western School District 28
Olivet Community Schools 12.51
Hanover-Horton School District 5
Jackson Public Schools 3
Northwest Community Schools 2
Lakeview School District 1.51
Battle Creek Public Schools 1
Harper Creek Community Schools 1
TOTAL 671.89
This school year, Albion received $6,966 per FTE from the state. That means if all of these Schools of Choice students returned to Albion, the district would have $4,680,386 more revenue.
Source: MI School Data dashboard.
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(05-17-2013 01:09 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  Albion has historically had very good teams, my junior year we lost in the semi-finals @MSU, my senior year we were ranked #1 all season until we were upset by a very good Jackson Lumen Christi team, who themselves got to the quarterfinals. They had a kid named Joe Schlaack who went on to play at Marshall University.

With respect to Moorhead, his father was a childcare worker of mine in the orphanage. He (the father) played BB at Hillsdale, then had a tryout for the Knicks (last player cut in about 1969 or so). The Knicks kept Don May instead (All American from Dayton). If I'm not mistaken, Ken may have played briefly for the LA Stars of the old ABA.

I thought his name was Joe Slack. He scored 44 against us.
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(06-10-2013 08:42 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 01:09 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  Albion has historically had very good teams, my junior year we lost in the semi-finals @MSU, my senior year we were ranked #1 all season until we were upset by a very good Jackson Lumen Christi team, who themselves got to the quarterfinals. They had a kid named Joe Schlaack who went on to play at Marshall University.

With respect to Moorhead, his father was a childcare worker of mine in the orphanage. He (the father) played BB at Hillsdale, then had a tryout for the Knicks (last player cut in about 1969 or so). The Knicks kept Don May instead (All American from Dayton). If I'm not mistaken, Ken may have played briefly for the LA Stars of the old ABA.

I thought his name was Joe Slack. He scored 44 against us.


Probably I spelled it wrong. He called me on my cell two years ago or so. I had never formally met him before, so I was kind of shocked. He works as a substance abuse counselor.
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