(05-15-2013 10:56 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 09:52 AM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  I don't know that I would constitute a major donor, but my Duke Club rank is 284 and I decided to cut my donation in half. I kept 6 season tickets, though I don't hope to use all of them for every game anymore. Last year I couldn't give them away, while just a couple of years ago I could actually SELL any unused tickets if I chose too. Demand went down that much that fast, and I would attribute a lot of it to apathy and a really crappy schedule. This year seems worse, or maybe I'm just more apathetic and the schedule is crappier.

dont you think demand went down because supply went drastically up?

Cent, by supply going up, are you referring to the increased number of seats in the stadium or the increase in empty/available seats from year 1 of the new stadium to year 2? I believe Steeler was talking about the decrease in demand from year 1 of the new stadium to last year, which would not imply that supply went up. Just trying to understand your point here.

(05-13-2013 12:26 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I don't know if this information is readily available or not, but I was wondering if Duke Club membership and alumni giving has increased significantly since the official announcement of the Carr hire. Perhaps there is a trend up in giving going back a year to all the rumors of a move to FBS? I ask because I know that all this has prompted me to more active giving, and I hope to do more in the future. I didn't feel like I could complain about us not moving forward if I was not at least trying to put $ behind it.

I re-upped my Hanson-level donation and my six season tickets on Monday. The lady on the phone was trying to upsell me the re-parking guarantee thing, and I basically told her to call me back when we make an announcement that we're getting out of the CAA - I'm all in at that point, but if JMU is content with the status quo, then my donation will remain status quo as well.

I wasn't trying to be snide (she was a delightful lady), but with all the CAA loyalty talk (and lack of talk about anything else) coming out of JMU, I'm afraid I'm in a "show me first" state of mind. I'm very willing to up the donation significantly, but not for the same-old, same-old.

I suspect there are a lot of people out there who are in the same mindset.

(05-15-2013 12:20 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 12:26 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I don't know if this information is readily available or not, but I was wondering if Duke Club membership and alumni giving has increased significantly since the official announcement of the Carr hire. Perhaps there is a trend up in giving going back a year to all the rumors of a move to FBS? I ask because I know that all this has prompted me to more active giving, and I hope to do more in the future. I didn't feel like I could complain about us not moving forward if I was not at least trying to put $ behind it.

I re-upped my Hanson-level donation and my six season tickets on Monday. The lady on the phone was trying to upsell me the re-parking guarantee thing, and I basically told her to call me back when we make an announcement that we're getting out of the CAA - I'm all in at that point, but if JMU is content with the status quo, then my donation will remain status quo as well.

I wasn't trying to be snide (she was a delightful lady), but with all the CAA loyalty talk (and lack of talk about anything else) coming out of JMU, I'm afraid I'm in a "show me first" state of mind. I'm very willing to up the donation significantly, but not for the same-old, same-old.

I suspect there are a lot of people out there who are in the same mindset.

I also suspect there are many more people who aren't in that mindset. I think the majority of people connected to JMU, yes even those who get season tickets in football, don't have a clue of what's going on with conference re-alignment.

(05-15-2013 12:20 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 12:26 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I don't know if this information is readily available or not, but I was wondering if Duke Club membership and alumni giving has increased significantly since the official announcement of the Carr hire. Perhaps there is a trend up in giving going back a year to all the rumors of a move to FBS? I ask because I know that all this has prompted me to more active giving, and I hope to do more in the future. I didn't feel like I could complain about us not moving forward if I was not at least trying to put $ behind it.

I re-upped my Hanson-level donation and my six season tickets on Monday. The lady on the phone was trying to upsell me the re-parking guarantee thing, and I basically told her to call me back when we make an announcement that we're getting out of the CAA - I'm all in at that point, but if JMU is content with the status quo, then my donation will remain status quo as well.

I wasn't trying to be snide (she was a delightful lady), but with all the CAA loyalty talk (and lack of talk about anything else) coming out of JMU, I'm afraid I'm in a "show me first" state of mind. I'm very willing to up the donation significantly, but not for the same-old, same-old.

I suspect there are a lot of people out there who are in the same mindset.

I am right there with you. I will maintain my current level of giving, but I am not going to up another time until I see the some commitment from the JMU administration to upping our game in the Athletic Department. As long as they want to monitor the landscape so will I.

(05-15-2013 03:29 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 12:20 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 12:26 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I don't know if this information is readily available or not, but I was wondering if Duke Club membership and alumni giving has increased significantly since the official announcement of the Carr hire. Perhaps there is a trend up in giving going back a year to all the rumors of a move to FBS? I ask because I know that all this has prompted me to more active giving, and I hope to do more in the future. I didn't feel like I could complain about us not moving forward if I was not at least trying to put $ behind it.

I re-upped my Hanson-level donation and my six season tickets on Monday. The lady on the phone was trying to upsell me the re-parking guarantee thing, and I basically told her to call me back when we make an announcement that we're getting out of the CAA - I'm all in at that point, but if JMU is content with the status quo, then my donation will remain status quo as well.

I wasn't trying to be snide (she was a delightful lady), but with all the CAA loyalty talk (and lack of talk about anything else) coming out of JMU, I'm afraid I'm in a "show me first" state of mind. I'm very willing to up the donation significantly, but not for the same-old, same-old.

I suspect there are a lot of people out there who are in the same mindset.

I am right there with you. I will maintain my current level of giving, but I am not going to up another time until I see the some commitment from the JMU administration to upping our game in the Athletic Department. As long as they want to monitor the landscape so will I.

+1

Timing sucked for my donation increase - re-parking. I agree with all the above on maintaining a certain status-quo until we see otherwise. I don't agree with dropping season tickets or even donations as the beneficiaries of our money are still student-athletes that very much deserve the opportunity JMU can afford them on and off the field.

Gave exactly the same as last year and am again in p. Not a penny more. Still have my allotment of 6 tics. That is going down at the end of the season to 4 in the future, IF I continue. If we are still playing peek-a-boo with one another and numerous conferences while the admin keeps silent and the numbers continue to decline, I will peel way back to just a quarter of what I give now. I can not and will not continue to donate what I have been doing while JMU sits and goes nowhere. C Conn, St Foolish, and Albany are not worth it. Not now and certainly not after another season of going nowhere but the diminished CAA. Talk to me with an announcement by this time next year and we will continue or grow compared to present giving levels. Sit still and I am way down. Enough coin to park somewhere to party and one or two games will be it for me. And that will be after more than a decade and a half of season tics.

I upped my giving level to $1500 and added two seats (6 total) and am not even an alum. As for "Big Boy" football, really don't care to watch Marshall play ECU -- much prefer watching the Dukes play Richmond, Delaware, and W&M. Also looking forward to the new competition (Stony Brook, Albany, CofC).

But then again I don't have an inferiority complex that requires my school to play FBS for me to support it.

(05-15-2013 05:54 PM)Phlegmish Wrote:  I upped my giving level to $1500 and added two seats (6 total) and am not even an alum. As for "Big Boy" football, really don't care to watch Marshall play ECU -- much prefer watching the Dukes play Richmond, Delaware, and W&M. Also looking forward to the new competition (Stony Brook, Albany, CofC).

But then again I don't have an inferiority complex that requires my school to play FBS for me to support it.

Its clear you don't have an inferiority complex. An impressed with yourself
complex looks much more likely. Labeling others so negatively = got a problem?

I am just tired of the constant whining (and general lack of support), so yes, I have a problem and am calling the alumni out.

(05-15-2013 06:11 PM)PiKappDuke Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 05:54 PM)Phlegmish Wrote:  I upped my giving level to $1500 and added two seats (6 total) and am not even an alum. As for "Big Boy" football, really don't care to watch Marshall play ECU -- much prefer watching the Dukes play Richmond, Delaware, and W&M. Also looking forward to the new competition (Stony Brook, Albany, CofC).

But then again I don't have an inferiority complex that requires my school to play FBS for me to support it.

Its clear you don't have an inferiority complex. An impressed with yourself
complex looks much more likely. Labeling others so negatively = got a problem?

+1

(05-15-2013 04:14 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  Timing sucked for my donation increase - re-parking. I agree with all the above on maintaining a certain status-quo until we see otherwise. I don't agree with dropping season tickets or even donations as the beneficiaries of our money are still student-athletes that very much deserve the opportunity JMU can afford them on and off the field.

I know this might sound like a funny question, but why do the athletes deserve it more than other students? Why do they deserve it more than the national cancer society? Why do they deserve it more than the local food bank? Couldn't they just get a student loan like a lot of us had to do?

I'm not trying to be a smart-oss, but the only reason we think they deserve it is in hopes they will bring wins to JMU and make the program and teams more of a pleasure to watch and brag about.

If you're giving back to your school, wouldn't it be a better match to give back to the academic side that likely has benefited you?

I've not given a dime to the school of business. so I'm talking about myself too.

I donate for two main reasons, 1) to try to help JMU athletics improve, and 2) to feel like/ be part of JMU nation.

I'll be honest, if JMU went to the ACC I'm not going to all the sudden donate twice the amount. But if JMU is less exciting, and I don't feel like it is on the improve (like GMU, VCU, ODU, GSU, UMAss, etc) my interest will continue to lesson which will effect my giving in the very near future. I kept my donation to the same level it was last year, but it gets to be more and more of a decision each year. It used to be a no-brainer.

I don't blame anyone for what or why they donate. That's a personal decision that each person makes. It's a donation.

Not sure what this post means, but.....

(05-15-2013 07:28 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 04:14 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  Timing sucked for my donation increase - re-parking. I agree with all the above on maintaining a certain status-quo until we see otherwise. I don't agree with dropping season tickets or even donations as the beneficiaries of our money are still student-athletes that very much deserve the opportunity JMU can afford them on and off the field.

I know this might sound like a funny question, but why do the athletes deserve it more than other students? Why do they deserve it more than the national cancer society? Why do they deserve it more than the local food bank? Couldn't they just get a student loan like a lot of us had to do?

I'm not trying to be a smart-oss, but the only reason we think they deserve it is in hopes they will bring wins to JMU and make the program and teams more of a pleasure to watch and brag about.

If you're giving back to your school, wouldn't it be a better match to give back to the academic side that likely has benefited you?

I've not given a dime to the school of business. so I'm talking about myself too.

I donate for two main reasons, 1) to try to help JMU athletics improve, and 2) to feel like/ be part of JMU nation.

I'll be honest, if JMU went to the ACC I'm not going to all the sudden donate twice the amount. But if JMU is less exciting, and I don't feel like it is on the improve (like GMU, VCU, ODU, GSU, UMAss, etc) my interest will continue to lesson which will effect my giving in the very near future. I kept my donation to the same level it was last year, but it gets to be more and more of a decision each year. It used to be a no-brainer.

I don't blame anyone for what or why they donate. That's a personal decision that each person makes. It's a donation.

Not sure what this post means, but.....

I was literally typing pretty much the same thing but decided not to write it. I couldn't agree with you more here.

Only thing I'll disagree with is that I would happily double my annual donation if we move to FBS and would be willing to triple it if we ended up in the ACC (not going to happen).

(05-15-2013 07:28 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 04:14 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  Timing sucked for my donation increase - re-parking. I agree with all the above on maintaining a certain status-quo until we see otherwise. I don't agree with dropping season tickets or even donations as the beneficiaries of our money are still student-athletes that very much deserve the opportunity JMU can afford them on and off the field.

I know this might sound like a funny question, but why do the athletes deserve it more than other students? Why do they deserve it more than the national cancer society? Why do they deserve it more than the local food bank? Couldn't they just get a student loan like a lot of us had to do?

I'm not trying to be a smart-oss, but the only reason we think they deserve it is in hopes they will bring wins to JMU and make the program and teams more of a pleasure to watch and brag about.

If you're giving back to your school, wouldn't it be a better match to give back to the academic side that likely has benefited you?

I've not given a dime to the school of business. so I'm talking about myself too.

I donate for two main reasons, 1) to try to help JMU athletics improve, and 2) to feel like/ be part of JMU nation.

I'll be honest, if JMU went to the ACC I'm not going to all the sudden donate twice the amount. But if JMU is less exciting, and I don't feel like it is on the improve (like GMU, VCU, ODU, GSU, UMAss, etc) my interest will continue to lesson which will effect my giving in the very near future. I kept my donation to the same level it was last year, but it gets to be more and more of a decision each year. It used to be a no-brainer.

I don't blame anyone for what or why they donate. That's a personal decision that each person makes. It's a donation.

Not sure what this post means, but.....

If collegiate athletics was simply about "enjoying watching the game and bragging rights" then schools would not be spending millions on collegiate athletics.

I donate to the Duke Club to improve athletics, which highlights the school, which improves interest in the school and investments into the school, which improves the lives of all the students and alumni.

Doesnt make JMU Athletics any more or less worthy of someone's money but its foolish to act that giving to JMU athletics is just about helping us win more games than the other school.

(05-15-2013 04:14 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  Timing sucked for my donation increase - re-parking. I agree with all the above on maintaining a certain status-quo until we see otherwise. I don't agree with dropping season tickets or even donations as the beneficiaries of our money are still student-athletes that very much deserve the opportunity JMU can afford them on and off the field.

We love going to the games, and I think it's counterproductive to reduce giving at this crucial time. And as you said, the beneficiaries are still the same - and still very worthy of our support.

It may come to pass that a slate full of Elons, Stony Brooks and Albanys change the math for me to the point that I buy Homecoming tix and pay to park somewhere, but I'm not there yet. Nowhere near.

But I'm much more willing to invest more in a program that is progressing. Staying in the CAA at this point is the polar opposite of progress. If we want to stay small timey, then the product (and the fan interest/donations) will be small timey as well.

Can't have it both ways.

Adam Smith brilliantly taught us that capital would flow to where it is most deserved.

There are many reasons why JMUs alumni giving percentage and endowment size are the lowest in the CAA, one of them is no longer president.

(05-15-2013 07:08 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 06:11 PM)PiKappDuke Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 05:54 PM)Phlegmish Wrote:  I upped my giving level to $1500 and added two seats (6 total) and am not even an alum. As for "Big Boy" football, really don't care to watch Marshall play ECU -- much prefer watching the Dukes play Richmond, Delaware, and W&M. Also looking forward to the new competition (Stony Brook, Albany, CofC).

But then again I don't have an inferiority complex that requires my school to play FBS for me to support it.

Its clear you don't have an inferiority complex. An impressed with yourself
complex looks much more likely. Labeling others so negatively = got a problem?

+1

+2

(05-15-2013 08:11 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 07:28 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 04:14 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  Timing sucked for my donation increase - re-parking. I agree with all the above on maintaining a certain status-quo until we see otherwise. I don't agree with dropping season tickets or even donations as the beneficiaries of our money are still student-athletes that very much deserve the opportunity JMU can afford them on and off the field.

I know this might sound like a funny question, but why do the athletes deserve it more than other students? Why do they deserve it more than the national cancer society? Why do they deserve it more than the local food bank? Couldn't they just get a student loan like a lot of us had to do?

I'm not trying to be a smart-oss, but the only reason we think they deserve it is in hopes they will bring wins to JMU and make the program and teams more of a pleasure to watch and brag about.

If you're giving back to your school, wouldn't it be a better match to give back to the academic side that likely has benefited you?

I've not given a dime to the school of business. so I'm talking about myself too.

I donate for two main reasons, 1) to try to help JMU athletics improve, and 2) to feel like/ be part of JMU nation.

I'll be honest, if JMU went to the ACC I'm not going to all the sudden donate twice the amount. But if JMU is less exciting, and I don't feel like it is on the improve (like GMU, VCU, ODU, GSU, UMAss, etc) my interest will continue to lesson which will effect my giving in the very near future. I kept my donation to the same level it was last year, but it gets to be more and more of a decision each year. It used to be a no-brainer.

I don't blame anyone for what or why they donate. That's a personal decision that each person makes. It's a donation.

Not sure what this post means, but.....

If collegiate athletics was simply about "enjoying watching the game and bragging rights" then schools would not be spending millions on collegiate athletics.

I donate to the Duke Club to improve athletics, which highlights the school, which improves interest in the school and investments into the school, which improves the lives of all the students and alumni.

Doesnt make JMU Athletics any more or less worthy of someone's money but its foolish to act that giving to JMU athletics is just about helping us win more games than the other school.

Well Dolly - it looks like we donate for the same reason.

Saw that the Madison Forever Vision Fund's Alumni Matching Gift Challenge reached it's $300,000 goal.

(05-31-2013 09:29 PM)hburg Wrote:  Saw that the Madison Forever Vision Fund's Alumni Matching Gift Challenge reached it's $300,000 goal.

Now if they can just communicate a vision.