ETSU hires a coach from a 2nd tier OVC team with one winning season.
UT-C hires a Hall of Famer.

http://www.gomocs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?S...M_ID=17700

That's how you get it done.

(05-11-2013 01:29 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  ETSU hires a coach from a 2nd tier OVC team with one winning season.
UT-C hires a Hall of Famer.

http://www.gomocs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?S...M_ID=17700

That's how you get it done.

I am very pleased with our choice for head coach- and I also think that UTC did a good job.

(05-11-2013 01:47 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 01:29 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  ETSU hires a coach from a 2nd tier OVC team with one winning season.
UT-C hires a Hall of Famer.

http://www.gomocs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?S...M_ID=17700

That's how you get it done.

I am very pleased with our choice for head coach- and I also think that UTC did a good job.

Not sure why this got its own thread, I guess he was afraid he snide comments in the other thread might get overlooked.

What we have learned.

Rodney English is the spawn of Satan.

Karen Kemp was an angel without wings who was wronged by English and
later by Sander.

He does not approve of this hire and I don't think anyone short of UCONN's coach would have met his approval, and that is is iffy.

Not at all, but when "Good enough" is good enough, that's when you drown in mediocrity. Stuff has been "good enough" long enough. I was good with our hire until I saw what a peer institution pulled, and someone we'll be playing in the very near future.
Notice Rodney didn't get the job. He's still coaching at the Georgia equivalent to Happy Valley.
Kemp should've gotten one more year, she didn't. ETSU will pay two coaches for it. Great.
I don't approve because ETSU could've and should've done better. I hope you guys are on board for better for men's basketball and football in the coming months/year, and as for the women's job, I hope our little Franklin Rebel makes me eat my words, I'll gladly in three years if she's still here and is winning games at a 22 plus clip a year, etc... will come to this board and let ya'll just roast my arse over it. I'll take a top three finish in whatever conference ETSU ends up in, I just know that if it's wherever Chattanooga is, ETSU will not make an NCAA bid.

ETSU hired a coach because they fired the last one due to poor recent performance. UTC hired a coach because theirs left for an ACC school due to success. Peer institutions, but not similar programs currently. The two jobs would attract a different pool of candidates.

(05-12-2013 06:04 PM)LetsgoBucs Wrote:  ETSU hired a coach because they fired the last one due to poor recent performance. UTC hired a coach because theirs left for an ACC school due to success. Peer institutions, but not similar programs currently. The two jobs would attract a different pool of candidates.

Don't you go using logic!!!!

It certainly didn't attract the folks that turned the job down before they hired Lane, I mean Coach Ezell.
Seriously though, I see your logic, but look at who Chattanooga just hired to run its' men's program. I would gladly agree with you except the dumpter fire that is Chattanooga men's hoops just got an assistant that most would've given at minimum a finger or toe to get.
If they can get that kind of a hire that truly is exciting, why can't ETSU?
Again, I'll eat my words if she gets things rolling, and she may very well do that, but ETSU should've been able to find and do better.

(05-13-2013 07:22 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  It certainly didn't attract the folks that turned the job down before they hired Lane, I mean Coach Ezell.
Seriously though, I see your logic, but look at who Chattanooga just hired to run its' men's program. I would gladly agree with you except the dumpter fire that is Chattanooga men's hoops just got an assistant that most would've given at minimum a finger or toe to get.
If they can get that kind of a hire that truly is exciting, why can't ETSU?
Again, I'll eat my words if she gets things rolling, and she may very well do that, but ETSU should've been able to find and do better.

I should add that I don't think she's a slam dunk hire, but considering ETSU as a program, probably not a bad hire.

I think if ETSU were hiring a men's basketball coach the candidate pool would be a much higher quality than the pool for the women's job. The main reason is history and position in conference. ETSU has a history of success in men's basketball. The women have a few short years mostly built around one four year class (Taronda, Sierra, and Latisha) and not much else. Even that period of success for the women was due to FGCU being ineligible. We've only beat FGCU once or twice since they've been in the league, if I recall correctly off the top of my head. UTC may be a disaster right now for men's basketball, but they have a history of success, they have a good facility, decent budget, and with the departure of CofC, App St, Ga Southern, and Davidson, there is no reason they shouldn't be able to compete for a conference championship every year. You could say the same about the men at ETSU other than a quality facility. On the women's side though, there is no history of success for ETSU and FGCU is a juggernaut and Stetson is a quality program right now. You have to recruit from behind against schools in better locations (Florida) where you will often be going to that state to get recruits. It's not a slam dunk job for a coaching candidate who will have choices of positions. UTC and the ETSU men's jobs are much better prospects for success.

(05-14-2013 08:27 AM)LetsgoBucs Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 07:22 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  It certainly didn't attract the folks that turned the job down before they hired Lane, I mean Coach Ezell.
Seriously though, I see your logic, but look at who Chattanooga just hired to run its' men's program. I would gladly agree with you except the dumpter fire that is Chattanooga men's hoops just got an assistant that most would've given at minimum a finger or toe to get.
If they can get that kind of a hire that truly is exciting, why can't ETSU?
Again, I'll eat my words if she gets things rolling, and she may very well do that, but ETSU should've been able to find and do better.

I should add that I don't think she's a slam dunk hire, but considering ETSU as a program, probably not a bad hire.

I think if ETSU were hiring a men's basketball coach the candidate pool would be a much higher quality than the pool for the women's job. The main reason is history and position in conference. ETSU has a history of success in men's basketball. The women have a few short years mostly built around one four year class (Taronda, Sierra, and Latisha) and not much else. Even that period of success for the women was due to FGCU being ineligible. We've only beat FGCU once or twice since they've been in the league, if I recall correctly off the top of my head. UTC may be a disaster right now for men's basketball, but they have a history of success, they have a good facility, decent budget, and with the departure of CofC, App St, Ga Southern, and Davidson, there is no reason they shouldn't be able to compete for a conference championship every year. You could say the same about the men at ETSU other than a quality facility. On the women's side though, there is no history of success for ETSU and FGCU is a juggernaut and Stetson is a quality program right now. You have to recruit from behind against schools in better locations (Florida) where you will often be going to that state to get recruits. It's not a slam dunk job for a coaching candidate who will have choices of positions. UTC and the ETSU men's jobs are much better prospects for success.

I told you stop using logic and now you are using facts to, enough already!!!

ETSU women's basketball wasn't funded until after football dropped. I posted those numbers awhile back. When the program got some funding, they won basketball games. Two bad years in a row. Under the logic and facts, Tony Skole and Lindsey Devine should neither one have jobs, yet they remain to have one, and some of the folks on here are fawning over Skole being a few games over .500 because of one dominant pitcher you're ready to give him an extension. 14 years, zero titles.
And even when ETSU women's hoops didn't have money, she had some successful years off and on.
Here's some logic and fact, why make a change if you cannot get an upgrade at the position? ETSU didn't get an upgrade, atleast as it sits today.
And if the Bucs have another 8-10 win season with Murry the candidate punch bowl for his replacement will have a big nasty turd in it, even with ETSU's prior successes.
Still no arena, playing basketball in the football practice facility, and having to consistently travel atleast two hours in any direction to find players, and usually four. Plus, you're not recruiting to a place that the typical college basketball player really looks to attend, I mean let's face it, ETSU's as white as biscuit flour. The sell becomes the almost open door policy for incoming freshmen and Juco's.
We'll agree to disagree and continue to do so on it, only time is going to tell if this 2nd tier candidate will blossom into something great or wither into coaching at the new high school currently being built out in Nolensville, Tennessee.

White as biscuit flower? I remember when the band impersonated Klansmen!

Of course, Rod will get upset if you call out the area on this sort of stuff, so let's sweep it under the rug and never speak of it again.

And then celebrate the mediocrity!

This said, the one thing I wanted to mention about this hire was when the search goes 47 days and you fail to release a list of finalists and wind up hiring Ezell, it becomes apparent this was not ETSU's first choice.

I do have an open mind on Ezell. I hope DeShawn Blocker stays around somehow- always liked her- but regardless.

The list of finalists not being released was the thing that got to me. If they were and they got past me, please let me know, but I would have thought the board would be talking about it if they were.

When Kemp was hired the finalists were announced. Even when Mullins was in charge the finalists for the men's job were released at Mike White's urging.

So we really don't know who the people ETSU originally shot for were, who turned them down, or really anything other than ETSU got Belmont's coach after a long wait.

Now, I find it very disturbing that the finalists weren't released. As I said, White was rather influential in getting the men's basketball candidates released back in 2003 and the finalists were released when Kemp was hired.

It speaks of either having contempt of giving information to your fans or trying to hide the fact you didn't get the coach you wanted.

Ezell deserves better.

And to me, that's worse than releasing a list of finalists and then not getting any of them. That happened once- when Keener Frye was hired as the AD in 1994. None of the top three finalists wanted the job and so Frye got it.

Guess what? It didn't hurt Frye at all. Football enjoyed great success. Good coaches like DeChellis and Kemp were hired. Frye insisted and won ETSU getting priority over high school broadcasts (and had to take the broadcasts away from WJCW for a year to win that battle). He was looked at as a local, hailing from Gate City, and was very respected.

The worst thing that you could have said about the AD search then was that ETSU shot high (Jim Weaver, late of UNLV, was a candidate and wound up going to Virginia Tech and leading them into the ACC).

And then Stanton came in.

The end.

(05-14-2013 01:14 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  White as biscuit flower? I remember when the band impersonated Klansmen!

Of course, Rod will get upset if you call out the area on this sort of stuff, so let's sweep it under the rug and never speak of it again.

And then celebrate the mediocrity!

Not sure if Lover was talking about race being the issue or if he meant the area was boring. If IS talking race then he way the hell off the mark.
We lost two players this year, (who transfered, not kicked off) Mario and Junior, White and Hispanic, last year JC Ward left (he might have been pressured but wasn't offiically kicked off) also white. Race has nothing to do with players leaving, Bartow runs them all off, I would say it is probably a pretty even split 50/50 on race of players who have left which is much higher then scholarship percentage. I would sayif there is a problem in recruiting these kids it is where they are recruited from. When ETSU's recruiting base was mostly NC,SC,KY,VA and of course TN we didn't seem to have that big a problem. Also we had a different coach of course which is 90% of the problem anyway.

Fry also hired Paul Hamilton who had as much to do with ETSU dropping football as Stanton and Mullins. They wanted to get rid of it and he was such a terrible coach he made it easy for them. Also not sure I am buying that whole "at Mike White's urging" and "White was rather influential". That would imply he actually did something during
the Stanton/Mullins era other then say yes Sir, right away, Sir. I will release you bundle of lies and swear it is the gods honest truth Sir. Thank you Sir.

EDIT: I at first included No Sir in that list but got to thinking he would never have said no to Mullins so I removed it.

(05-14-2013 02:12 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:14 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  White as biscuit flower? I remember when the band impersonated Klansmen!

Of course, Rod will get upset if you call out the area on this sort of stuff, so let's sweep it under the rug and never speak of it again.

And then celebrate the mediocrity!

Not sure if Lover was talking about race being the issue or if he meant the area was boring. If IS talking race then he way the hell off the mark.
We lost two players this year, (who transfered, not kicked off) Mario and Junior, White and Hispanic, last year JC Ward left (he might have been pressured but wasn't offiically kicked off) also white. Race has nothing to do with players leaving, Bartow runs them all off, I would say it is probably a pretty even split 50/50 on race of players who have left which is much higher then scholarship percentage. I would sayif there is a problem in recruiting these kids it is where they are recruited from. When ETSU's recruiting base was mostly NC,SC,KY,VA and of course TN we didn't seem to have that big a problem. Also we had a different coach of course which is 90% of the problem anyway.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the post I made, but that's why we call you Rod Spin.

(05-14-2013 02:53 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Sir. I will release you bundle of lies and swear it is the gods honest truth Sir.

White once tried to get me to sign a document that was a bundle of lies.

But White did push for Mullins to release the candidates.

Regardless, you really think Hamilton was responsible for ETSU dropping football? You want to say you didn't think he was a good coach, that's one thing.

But the guy had more winning records than losing, which is something most ETSU coaches couldn't say. He also was probably the most responsible guy for making sure there was a team in 2003, as the original plan was to drop the program immediately.

You can tell me he should have done this or that, and I will say that sometimes he suffered from delusional optimism, but in his post-ETSU career he helped Brevard College start a football program.

Thinking the Bucs could have produced a victory or two more in 1997 is one thing.

Saying Paul Hamilton is as responsible for dropping football as Paul Stanton or David Mullins?

No.