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If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
Sun and Ice Conference.

Seriously.

New Mexico State's President wants to rather demote the football program to FCS or cancel the program all together.

If this happens the SBC be at 10 teams with over half of the conference having to make biannual trips to Moscow. If you go to 18 teams where the two divisions never play against each other, or one cross divisional game if you prefer, the SBC would save a ton of money on travel.

Invite the following FCS powers with good size stadiums.

Montana (25,200), Montana State (19,000), Sacramento State (21,195) and Portland State (20,483) from the Big Sky.

North Dakota State (18,700) South Dakota State (16,345 expanding to 22,500), Northern Iowa (17,190) and Missouri State (16,600) from the Missouri Valley.

All eight might make the move if all were invited together. Some or all of the Big Sky schools may be ready to make the jump first. The Missouri Valley schools could come the following year.

Consider:

All of the schools currently in or joining the Sunbelt Conference would play each other as divisional rivals, except Idaho, and they would be playing schools they would rather play anyway.

This would make the entire conference contiguous.

The savings in travel costs would be worth it alone.

Almost all of these schools are flagships.

The SBC could have a conference championship.

If the northern schools split off one day that would not really be all that bad.

The nine northern schools would be put in the "Ice" Division and the rest would be in the "Sun" Division.

Sun & Ice Conference
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RE: If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
If NMSU drops down, the Belt should kick Idaho out and invite Jax St. Then wait on Missouri State and SH State to be ready in a year or so (or UTA to start a team). I'm assuming JMU would rather stay FCS. And Liberty isn't an option.
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RE: If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
I agree these would be good adds, but Montana and Montana State do not want to make the jump to FBS. This was covered locally when the WAC came calling. They have a good thing in FCS and they know it...
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RE: If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
no more FCS call ups.
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If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
I believe it's a candidate for president, doesn't have the job yet.
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RE: If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
(05-10-2013 10:19 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  I agree these would be good adds, but Montana and Montana State do not want to make the jump to FBS. This was covered locally when the WAC came calling. They have a good thing in FCS and they know it...

That was before some of the best teams left the FCS.

That was also before talk of FBS dividing into two. The FCS might become the third tier of division one.
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RE: If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
(05-10-2013 05:35 PM)Journeyman22 Wrote:  I believe it's a candidate for president, doesn't have the job yet.

I believe he was announced this past Monday. They had an online poll in the Las Cruces sun news this week, last I saw 57% of the people who voted wanted nmsu to either drop down to FCS or drop football altogether. Only 38% were in favor of keeping their football at the FBS level.

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fwiw, one of the aggie posters on their scout board, has posted a letter from their board of regents to the community, saying "This Board of Regents is committed to supporting Aggie Athletics at a funding level that will allow our student-athletes to compete. We have reviewed the budget and see more than adequate justification to continue the investment being made"
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RE: If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
(05-09-2013 10:06 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  Sun and Ice Conference.

Seriously.

New Mexico State's President wants to rather demote the football program to FCS or cancel the program all together.

If this happens the SBC be at 10 teams with over half of the conference having to make biannual trips to Moscow. If you go to 18 teams where the two divisions never play against each other, or one cross divisional game if you prefer, the SBC would save a ton of money on travel.

Invite the following FCS powers with good size stadiums.

Montana (25,200), Montana State (19,000), Sacramento State (21,195) and Portland State (20,483) from the Big Sky.

North Dakota State (18,700) South Dakota State (16,345 expanding to 22,500), Northern Iowa (17,190) and Missouri State (16,600) from the Missouri Valley.

All eight might make the move if all were invited together. Some or all of the Big Sky schools may be ready to make the jump first. The Missouri Valley schools could come the following year.

Consider:

All of the schools currently in or joining the Sunbelt Conference would play each other as divisional rivals, except Idaho, and they would be playing schools they would rather play anyway.

This would make the entire conference contiguous.

The savings in travel costs would be worth it alone.

Almost all of these schools are flagships.

The SBC could have a conference championship.

If the northern schools split off one day that would not really be all that bad.

The nine northern schools would be put in the "Ice" Division and the rest would be in the "Sun" Division.

Sun & Ice Conference

I don't see NMSU ding that. It doesn't matter if their President wants that because it most likely requires a vote and there are probably a lot fo people who like what being in an FBS conference means.

At this point, after three MVFC teams saying no to the SBC, I don't see any of them going there. I certainly think that NDSU could go to a better football conference than the SBC anyway.
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RE: If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
(05-09-2013 11:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If NMSU drops down, the Belt should kick Idaho out and invite Jax St. Then wait on Missouri State and SH State to be ready in a year or so (or UTA to start a team). I'm assuming JMU would rather stay FCS. And Liberty isn't an option.

NMSU should have been picked up by C-USA for its bball in my opinion.
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RE: If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
(05-12-2013 12:37 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  At this point, after three MVFC teams saying no to the SBC, I don't see any of them going there. I certainly think that NDSU could go to a better football conference than the SBC anyway.
Well, lessee:

SEC, nope
Big Ten, nope
PAC-12, nope
ACC, nope
Big12, nope
The American, nope
MWC, nope
CUSA, nope
MAC, nope

... no, I really don't think North Dakota can go to a better conference than the Sunbelt. Its challenge would, rather, be convincing the Sunbelt that NDSU would be a good add.
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If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
If the SBC loses NMSU, stay at 10 and play nine conference games.
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RE: If the SBC looses NMS, the SBC should become the
(05-12-2013 02:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-12-2013 12:37 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  At this point, after three MVFC teams saying no to the SBC, I don't see any of them going there. I certainly think that NDSU could go to a better football conference than the SBC anyway.
Well, lessee:

SEC, nope
Big Ten, nope
PAC-12, nope
ACC, nope
Big12, nope
The American, nope
MWC, nope
CUSA, nope
MAC, nope

... no, I really don't think North Dakota can go to a better conference than the Sunbelt. Its challenge would, rather, be convincing the Sunbelt that NDSU would be a good add.

I don't know why you brought up North Dakota. I am talking about North Dakota State only. They could compete in the AAC, MWC, CUSA, or MAC. I think that they would fit in the CUSA the best.
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NMSU has to keep its Olympic sports in the WAC for at least another year, otherwise it will miss out on a big chunk of exit fees from future MWC members.

NMSU might also be a potential add to the MVC, which would fit well for its basketball. If the Big Sky really has a plan to get to FBS, believe NMSU would prefer to associate with western flagship/land grant universities rather than the regional universities in the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt has changed significantly since NMSU was last a member: its much more Atlantic Coast orientated than the 2000 version of the Belt. That geographic shift is less appealing to NMSU for other sports.

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(05-10-2013 10:19 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  I agree these would be good adds, but Montana and Montana State do not want to make the jump to FBS. This was covered locally when the WAC came calling. They have a good thing in FCS and they know it...
Neither Montana or Montana State have ever slammed the door shut on FBS. What they want is a regionally cohesive FBS conference in which Montana/MSU can compete without doubling their athletic budget. NMSU, Idaho, Sac St, Portland St, NDSU, UND, UCDavis would be compatible with a Montana FBS vision. La Tech, UTSA, and Texas St were not compatible because they were'nt western. Nevada, Fresno St, Hawaii etc were not because of their much higher budgets. (SJSU and Utah St probably were viewed as compatible.) Montana and Montana St simply don't have the corporate support that former Big Sky schools like Nevada and Boise St had, so any move to FBS has to be low risk and with opponents with similar treasuries.
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(05-12-2013 04:31 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  I don't know why you brought up North Dakota. I am talking about North Dakota State only.
Whatevers ~ I meant NDSU, not UND, but now that you mention it, the same would apply to UND as well as the school from my family's side of the border, USD.

Quote: They could compete in the AAC, MWC, CUSA, or MAC.
Except none of the AAC, MWC, CUSA or the MAC are going to invite them, so its beside the point whether they could fit in.

Quote: I think that they would fit in the CUSA the best.
CUSA is not looking to fill a spot, nor is The American or the MWC, and none of the Majors would consider an FCS upgrade. The Sunbelt is looking to fill a spot, and the MAC might be, but the MAC wouldn't fill a spot with NDSU.
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(05-12-2013 04:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NMSU might also be a potential add to the MVC, which would fit well for its basketball.

The comments of the Wichita president when the MVC added Loyola-Chicago imply that WSU wanted Denver but some of the poorer eastern MVC schools had a hissy fit over travel costs to Denver. If they were so upset about Denver, they'd be even less likely to consider NMSU, because it's much easier to travel to Denver than Las Cruces, and also NMSU would be more expensive because NMSU would have more sports participating in the MVC than Denver would have, thus more trips to/from Las Cruces for MVC teams.
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(05-12-2013 04:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-12-2013 04:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NMSU might also be a potential add to the MVC, which would fit well for its basketball.

The comments of the Wichita president when the MVC added Loyola-Chicago imply that WSU wanted Denver but some of the poorer eastern MVC schools had a hissy fit over travel costs to Denver. If they were so upset about Denver, they'd be even less likely to consider NMSU, because it's much easier to travel to Denver than Las Cruces, and also NMSU would be more expensive because NMSU would have more sports participating in the MVC than Denver would have, thus more trips to/from Las Cruces for MVC teams.
In an earlier interview, NMSU's new President himself had mentioned the MVC and the Big Sky, so that's why I did.

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-new...g-football

Suspect the MVC really just wanted a Chicago school for the media market. Denver, Kansas City, or Nashville could be future markets. If the fuss is truly about travel, Denver is a school that could almost certainly find affiliate status for all its sports except M/W basketball, and W volleyball. With the needs of the WAC, Summit, and MPSF for affiliate membership, NMSU could probably find numerous affiliate memberships if travel for non-revenue sports in the MVC is truly that bad of an issue.
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(05-12-2013 04:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 10:19 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  I agree these would be good adds, but Montana and Montana State do not want to make the jump to FBS. This was covered locally when the WAC came calling. They have a good thing in FCS and they know it...
Neither Montana or Montana State have ever slammed the door shut on FBS. What they want is a regionally cohesive FBS conference in which Montana/MSU can compete without doubling their athletic budget. NMSU, Idaho, Sac St, Portland St, NDSU, UND, UCDavis would be compatible with a Montana FBS vision. La Tech, UTSA, and Texas St were not compatible because they were'nt western. Nevada, Fresno St, Hawaii etc were not because of their much higher budgets. (SJSU and Utah St probably were viewed as compatible.) Montana and Montana St simply don't have the corporate support that former Big Sky schools like Nevada and Boise St had, so any move to FBS has to be low risk and with opponents with similar treasuries.

Do you think the majority of the schools I mentioned would consider leaving together?

Another question regarding your school, with all of the money flowing into the State of North Dakota what are the prospects of UND increasing its football stadium (or dome) capacity? With all that money floating around someone should be able to put something together.
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(05-12-2013 08:21 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  
(05-12-2013 04:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 10:19 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  I agree these would be good adds, but Montana and Montana State do not want to make the jump to FBS. This was covered locally when the WAC came calling. They have a good thing in FCS and they know it...
Neither Montana or Montana State have ever slammed the door shut on FBS. What they want is a regionally cohesive FBS conference in which Montana/MSU can compete without doubling their athletic budget. NMSU, Idaho, Sac St, Portland St, NDSU, UND, UCDavis would be compatible with a Montana FBS vision. La Tech, UTSA, and Texas St were not compatible because they were'nt western. Nevada, Fresno St, Hawaii etc were not because of their much higher budgets. (SJSU and Utah St probably were viewed as compatible.) Montana and Montana St simply don't have the corporate support that former Big Sky schools like Nevada and Boise St had, so any move to FBS has to be low risk and with opponents with similar treasuries.

Do you think the majority of the schools I mentioned would consider leaving together?

Another question regarding your school, with all of the money flowing into the State of North Dakota what are the prospects of UND increasing its football stadium (or dome) capacity? With all that money floating around someone should be able to put something together.
I believe the Big Sky and WAC are working together to dismantle the Summit League. The net effect would be the Big Sky getting the FBS potential schools while the WAC getting more schools to form an eastern division and pair with UMKC and Chicago St. The WAC still retains the ability to offer schools FBS status, so it can offer the Big Sky schools that want FBS affiliate status (those Big Sky schools would stay in the Big Sky except for football during an FBS transition). After an FBS transition, eight FBS schools are enough to elevate the Big Sky to FBS. So effectively a symbiotic relationship is established between the WAC and Big Sky, the WAC effectively gives FBS status to the Big Sky schools wanting it, while the Big Sky works to chew up the Summit League and funnel non-football schools to the WAC.

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UND's master plan has a retractable roof over a 30,000 seat remodeled on-campus stadium. About 10,000 seats of that exist now on just one side. A $20 mill 100 yd indoor practice facility is being built just beyond the visitors side, with offices being underneath where the visitor's stands would be. A retractable roof isn't necessary for obtaining 15,000+ seats, but the main stands would need extensive renovations and upgrades.

UND's current home domed field can be made into a horseshoe with expansion on one end, making it more than 15,000 seats. Alternatively, since the "arena" part of the Alerus Center includes a large convention center/hotel complex under the same roof, tickets to a standing room only beer garden can be sold getting the fan count above 15,000.

The oil boom has made some UND grads very wealthy, especially a select few that had the foresight to buy up mineral rights. For the most part, they haven't adjusted to the facts of their new wealth yet. A number of small Bakken oil companies are now valued at billions, but their founders are primarily in Houston, Oklahoma City, Denver, and Austin. There are other grads who have made fortunes in banking, precious metal mining, and gambling that are thought to be contemplating major athletic donations.
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