(05-17-2013 10:20 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote: So government (IRS) persecution of conservatives is okay?
Is that how most people in Boone feel about Franklin Graham?
No one said it is ok. But when you are trying to put yourself on the cross to play the martyr because of religion when in fact it has NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with politics, you come off as a hypocrite.
The reality is that real data on athletics and what LU brings to the table has been shared and ignored numerous times.
Oh you mean your track and field and underwater basket weaving dominance? It certainly isn't football, baseball or basketball.
I've laid it all out there, including the lack of Big Wins in football and Hoops. I've given a fair assessment. You choose not to read and accept it. I highly doubt this conference will look at LU's athletics as a liability.
I'd say it's more of a "dead weight" kind of rational as far as sports go. Falwell/Creation studies are what make you a PR liability.
If it makes you feel better, your finances, facilites and TV network are redeeming qualities. Over all though, it would be a piss poor add.
Complete desperation for members is your only hope.
(05-17-2013 12:46 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote: No one said it is ok. But when you are trying to put yourself on the cross to play the martyr because of religion when in fact it has NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with politics, you come off as a hypocrite.
The reality is that real data on athletics and what LU brings to the table has been shared and ignored numerous times.
Oh you mean your track and field and underwater basket weaving dominance? It certainly isn't football, baseball or basketball.
I've laid it all out there, including the lack of Big Wins in football and Hoops. I've given a fair assessment. You choose not to read and accept it. I highly doubt this conference will look at LU's athletics as a liability.
I'd say it's more of a "dead weight" kind of rational as far as sports go. Falwell/Creation studies are what make you a PR liability.
If it makes you feel better, your finances, facilites and TV network are redeeming qualities. Over all though, it would be a piss poor add.
Complete desperation for members is your only hope.
Dude, if you grind that Ax of yours long enough, it'll be gone. so I'm all for it. You look at things with a bent that is unrivaled. Most others are able to see the positives.
Liberty athletics is strong and growing. Football has won 5 big south championships out of the last 6. You can say that is not a high level, but it's the one we are in for now. Women's basketball is dominant and has been successful in the NCAA tourney. Men's hoops has been a bit of a struggle lately, but won the conference tourney and made the Big Dance this year while this was happening at App State:
Make fun of Track or Cross Country all you want, but these are significantly dominant programs that your Presidents and ADs will be impressed with. This goes for other growing programs as well.
Liberty is financially growing while most public institutions are having many financial issues. Facilities are to notch. Liability? I think not.
I'm don't really want to argue with you any longer on this, because it's a waste of typing. The good news is that I believe you are representative of a very small group. Most people and officials, will see the up-side just fine.
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2013 02:16 PM by knucklehead.)
We'll just have to see what happens.
Really don't think LU has a chance with the SBC.
But no one knows except the SB presidents.
Have found out a lot about LU.
Some good and some not so much.
Do know that 90% of their posters seem like good people regardless.
(05-17-2013 02:26 PM)GoApps70 Wrote: We'll just have to see what happens.
Really don't think LU has a chance with the SBC. But no one knows except the SB presidents. Have found out a lot about LU.
Some good and some not so much. Do know that 90% of their posters seem like good people regardless.
I like all the bold ones, thanks! lol
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2013 02:40 PM by knucklehead.)
(05-17-2013 01:41 PM)knucklehead Wrote: I've laid it all out there, including the lack of Big Wins in football and Hoops. I've given a fair assessment. You choose not to read and accept it. I highly doubt this conference will look at LU's athletics as a liability.
I'd say it's more of a "dead weight" kind of rational as far as sports go. Falwell/Creation studies are what make you a PR liability.
If it makes you feel better, your finances, facilites and TV network are redeeming qualities. Over all though, it would be a piss poor add.
Complete desperation for members is your only hope.
I'll say this: knucklehead has taken off the Flame colored glasses in assessing the athletics program. He was frank about it and noted the shortcomings.
He was also optimistic (as well he should be, given he is a fan) of the future of Liberty athletics.
But at the same time, I think DrGonzo is correct in his statement that complete desperation is Liberty's best hope. And it has nothing to do with athletic potential.
(05-17-2013 01:41 PM)knucklehead Wrote: I've laid it all out there, including the lack of Big Wins in football and Hoops. I've given a fair assessment. You choose not to read and accept it. I highly doubt this conference will look at LU's athletics as a liability.
I'd say it's more of a "dead weight" kind of rational as far as sports go. Falwell/Creation studies are what make you a PR liability.
If it makes you feel better, your finances, facilites and TV network are redeeming qualities. Over all though, it would be a piss poor add.
Complete desperation for members is your only hope.
I'll say this: knucklehead has taken off the Flame colored glasses in assessing the athletics program. He was frank about it and noted the shortcomings.
He was also optimistic (as well he should be, given he is a fan) of the future of Liberty athletics.
But at the same time, I think DrGonzo is correct in his statement that complete desperation is Liberty's best hope. And it has nothing to do with athletic potential.
Thanks you sir.
Isn't desperation where the SBC is now? Getting 12 by June 1 has a financial payoff if I remember correctly.
(05-17-2013 01:41 PM)knucklehead Wrote: I've laid it all out there, including the lack of Big Wins in football and Hoops. I've given a fair assessment. You choose not to read and accept it. I highly doubt this conference will look at LU's athletics as a liability.
I'd say it's more of a "dead weight" kind of rational as far as sports go. Falwell/Creation studies are what make you a PR liability.
If it makes you feel better, your finances, facilites and TV network are redeeming qualities. Over all though, it would be a piss poor add.
Complete desperation for members is your only hope.
I'll say this: knucklehead has taken off the Flame colored glasses in assessing the athletics program. He was frank about it and noted the shortcomings.
He was also optimistic (as well he should be, given he is a fan) of the future of Liberty athletics.
But at the same time, I think DrGonzo is correct in his statement that complete desperation is Liberty's best hope. And it has nothing to do with athletic potential.
Thanks you sir.
Isn't desperation where the SBC is now? Getting 12 by June 1 has a financial payoff if I remember correctly.
Wouldn't think so knucklehead. SBC has normally been @ 8 teams. This idea of going to 12 is just something that Benson wants more than the SBC presidents it seems. They could add half a dozen schools not named LU if they really wanted right away. They just want what they want specifically in certain schools. Just like the LU fans want what they want specifically. Not a huge chance both would turn out to be the same, but who knows, keep the faith.
(05-17-2013 01:41 PM)knucklehead Wrote: I've laid it all out there, including the lack of Big Wins in football and Hoops. I've given a fair assessment. You choose not to read and accept it. I highly doubt this conference will look at LU's athletics as a liability.
I'd say it's more of a "dead weight" kind of rational as far as sports go. Falwell/Creation studies are what make you a PR liability.
If it makes you feel better, your finances, facilites and TV network are redeeming qualities. Over all though, it would be a piss poor add.
Complete desperation for members is your only hope.
I'll say this: knucklehead has taken off the Flame colored glasses in assessing the athletics program. He was frank about it and noted the shortcomings.
He was also optimistic (as well he should be, given he is a fan) of the future of Liberty athletics.
But at the same time, I think DrGonzo is correct in his statement that complete desperation is Liberty's best hope. And it has nothing to do with athletic potential.
Thanks you sir.
Isn't desperation where the SBC is now? Getting 12 by June 1 has a financial payoff if I remember correctly.
Wouldn't think so knucklehead. SBC has normally been @ 8 teams. This idea of going to 12 is just something that Benson wants more than the SBC presidents it seems. They could add half a dozen schools not named LU if they really wanted right away. They just want what they want specifically in certain schools. Just like the LU fans want what they want specifically. Not a huge chance both would turn out to be the same, but who knows, keep the faith.
Kudos for the fair assessment GoApps70. I do not know if LU will ever get in the SBC or not, but the anger/hatred/ bias/whatever shown by certain posters is unbelievable (especially by those posters who are only very recent adds themselves). LU just wants for their athletic programs the same opportunities that Georgia Southern and Appalachian State have recently received. Their fans should not be vilified for that.
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2013 03:57 PM by Jacque.)
(05-17-2013 02:26 PM)GoApps70 Wrote: We'll just have to see what happens.
Really don't think LU has a chance with the SBC.
But no one knows except the SB presidents.
Have found out a lot about LU.
Some good and some not so much.
Do know that 90% of their posters seem like good people regardless.
90%? That's where I'm at now!
And I prefer the meme 'Did someone say Binders full of women?"
As nice as those pictures are, does Liberty seriously not have seats on the visitors side right now? Is that because the existing ones were removed in preparation of new construction or have there not been visitor stands? The proposal pictures are very nice, I just find a lack of visitor seating a little odd.
(05-17-2013 09:38 PM)Pike51 Wrote: As nice as those pictures are, does Liberty seriously not have seats on the visitors side right now? Is that because the existing ones were removed in preparation of new construction or have there not been visitor stands? The proposal pictures are very nice, I just find a lack of visitor seating a little odd.
There is seating on both sides. Mone side has 'regular ' seating and the other has the suites press box etc. IIRC, the plan is to have both sides look the same when they expand again.
(05-17-2013 09:38 PM)Pike51 Wrote: As nice as those pictures are, does Liberty seriously not have seats on the visitors side right now? Is that because the existing ones were removed in preparation of new construction or have there not been visitor stands? The proposal pictures are very nice, I just find a lack of visitor seating a little odd.
There ar close to 8K seats on that side. You just can't see them from that angle. We have heard the plan is to put an upper deck on that side with more suite etc. upon an invite.
(05-17-2013 09:38 PM)Pike51 Wrote: As nice as those pictures are, does Liberty seriously not have seats on the visitors side right now? Is that because the existing ones were removed in preparation of new construction or have there not been visitor stands? The proposal pictures are very nice, I just find a lack of visitor seating a little odd.
There ar close to 8K seats on that side. You just can't see them from that angle. We have heard the plan is to put an upper deck on that side with more suite etc. upon an invite.
Ok, it just looks like no seating which was strange. Appreciate you clearing that up.
(05-18-2013 08:37 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote: knuckle I heard they were thinking about an indoor practice field under a bubble .... was that scratch for the real grass one?
(05-18-2013 08:37 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote: knuckle I heard they were thinking about an indoor practice field under a bubble .... was that scratch for the real grass one?
Just saw that as a vague rumor. not sure.
heard something about tearing down softball and putting the indoor there something about old worthington
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