(05-12-2013 03:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 11:56 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  This fall will be 30 years since i stepped on our campus for the first time and i've never seen fan morale so low. There seems to be bewilderment about how to move forward.

That's a fancy trick to pull off from Louisiana!! You are no USF insider.

Agreed. I don't see that low morale he speaks off, in fact I see new excitement around Taggart and what the football team can accomplish, I see continuos excitement at Heath and the BEST basketball incoming class in USF history. The sports team have the best facilities ever in USF history and programs such as women's basketball, softball, golf, soccer and tennis have proven to be nationally ranked in past few years.

Those are all positive developments and reasons to be hopeful for improvement in our performances on the fields, courts, etc. But the fans I interact with tend to be very down about the big picture, being left out of the P5. Even online, on BullsPen realignment is far and away the most-discussed topic. Everyone wants out of the AAC. That's just the way it is.

(05-10-2013 11:17 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  In the wake of its Final Four, it is hard to overlook WSU, but it's also hard to overlook the fact that they have a tiny market and are in a state of only 3 million people where the college sports scene is already dominated by 2Big XII schools, one of which has a legendary basketball program. All of these factors combine to severely limit WSU's growth potential.

Tiny?! I would hardly call the 69th largest tv market in the country "tiny".

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets.

(05-12-2013 03:57 PM)Ixiah Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 11:17 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  In the wake of its Final Four, it is hard to overlook WSU, but it's also hard to overlook the fact that they have a tiny market and are in a state of only 3 million people where the college sports scene is already dominated by 2Big XII schools, one of which has a legendary basketball program. All of these factors combine to severely limit WSU's growth potential.

Tiny?! I would hardly call the 69th largest tv market in the country "tiny".

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets.

OK, how about "pretty darn small"?

(05-12-2013 03:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 03:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 11:56 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  This fall will be 30 years since i stepped on our campus for the first time and i've never seen fan morale so low. There seems to be bewilderment about how to move forward.

That's a fancy trick to pull off from Louisiana!! You are no USF insider.

Agreed. I don't see that low morale he speaks off, in fact I see new excitement around Taggart and what the football team can accomplish, I see continuos excitement at Heath and the BEST basketball incoming class in USF history. The sports team have the best facilities ever in USF history and programs such as women's basketball, softball, golf, soccer and tennis have proven to be nationally ranked in past few years.

Those are all positive developments and reasons to be hopeful for improvement in our performances on the fields, courts, etc. But the fans I interact with tend to be very down about the big picture, being left out of the P5. Even online, on BullsPen realignment is far and away the most-discussed topic. Everyone wants out of the AAC. That's just the way it is.

Of course we all want to be in those conferences but that doesn't mean that interest and support of the program will go down while we are not in them.
I feel good about the future of USF athletics.

(05-12-2013 04:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 03:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 03:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 11:56 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  This fall will be 30 years since i stepped on our campus for the first time and i've never seen fan morale so low. There seems to be bewilderment about how to move forward.

That's a fancy trick to pull off from Louisiana!! You are no USF insider.

Agreed. I don't see that low morale he speaks off, in fact I see new excitement around Taggart and what the football team can accomplish, I see continuos excitement at Heath and the BEST basketball incoming class in USF history. The sports team have the best facilities ever in USF history and programs such as women's basketball, softball, golf, soccer and tennis have proven to be nationally ranked in past few years.

Those are all positive developments and reasons to be hopeful for improvement in our performances on the fields, courts, etc. But the fans I interact with tend to be very down about the big picture, being left out of the P5. Even online, on BullsPen realignment is far and away the most-discussed topic. Everyone wants out of the AAC. That's just the way it is.

Of course we all want to be in those conferences but that doesn't mean that interest and support of the program will go down while we are not in them.

I feel good about the future of USF athletics.

I sure hope you are right, but unfortunately, fan interest does tend to covary with the attractiveness of opposition, even at established football powers. E.g., where I'm at near LSU, when Auburn is in town the stadium is SRO and it costs $150 at least to buy a ticket on gameday outside the stadium. But when it's rent-a-win week like vs. Western Kentucky last year, you can get tix in the parking lot for $15, even though the game is officially sold out, and there are a lot fewer RVs tailgaiting around the stadium.

I fear that fan support/interest might decline now that bigger names like Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, and Syracuse won't be coming to RJS anymore and will be replaced by smaller names. We're going to be fighting human nature to build more support in this new AAC environment.

(05-12-2013 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I fear that fan support/interest might decline now that bigger names like Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, and Syracuse won't be coming to RJS anymore and will be replaced by smaller names. We're going to be fighting human nature to build more support in this new AAC environment.

LMAO! You were saying the same thing when Louisville and Rutgers were still part of the conference.
Fact is, those Northeast teams (outside of WVU) have very little cache in Texas and Florida.

(05-12-2013 11:02 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I fear that fan support/interest might decline now that bigger names like Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, and Syracuse won't be coming to RJS anymore and will be replaced by smaller names. We're going to be fighting human nature to build more support in this new AAC environment.

LMAO! You were saying the same thing when Louisville and Rutgers were still part of the conference.
Fact is, those Northeast teams (outside of WVU) have very little cache in Texas and Florida.

Of course I was, as i was comparing Louisville and Rutgers coming to USF with even bigger names from other AQ conferences. A name like Rutgers is a lesser name than say FSU, but a bigger name than Tulsa.

Fact is, if you don't think that USF fans would rather see Pitt, Rutgers, and Syracuse come to RJS as opposed to the new AAC backfill members, you don't know anything about USF's "market", just as you knew absolutely nothing about what was going to happen to the Big East during last year's realignment, playoffs negotiations, and media deals negotiations. Nobody was more abjectly wrong about so many things.

(05-13-2013 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  you knew absolutely nothing about what was going to happen to the Big East during last year's realignment, playoffs negotiations, and media deals negotiations. Nobody was more abjectly wrong about so many things.

And that speaks to the reason why you are here.

You think you were proven right and want to rub salt in the wounds of true fans.

Fact is, nobody was proven wrong or right. The particulars of realignment kept changing as the landscape was shifting.

NOBODY will EVER know what kind of deal the conference would have brokered if the BIG wouldn't have raided Maryland and Rutgers. You certainly don't. Beyond that point, every projection by FANS was moot.

People weren't proven wrong. The dynamics had changed.

As for the Tulsa/Syracuse comparison, I stand by what I said. Cuse is not anymore a sexy football name than Tulsa. Tulsa has actually been doin work these last few years (winning the Liberty Bowl and beating ND).

You simply have zero clue, and you're obviously not a CFB fan.

South Florida is basically South New Jersey so of course any NE school is a bigger draw than any of the Southern (non florida) AAC teams.

UCF fans never minded playing Tulsa. It developed into one of the better rivalries of 2.0.

If USF didnt get their 7 free BCS years they wouldn't mind either.

(05-13-2013 08:31 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  South Florida is basically South New Jersey so of course any NE school is a bigger draw than any of the Southern (non florida) AAC teams.

UCF fans never minded playing Tulsa. It developed into one of the better rivalries of 2.0.

If USF didnt get their 7 free BCS years they wouldn't mind either.

Believe me, former Big East fans are well aware of Tulsa's success. So much so, that they've tried to piggyback from it and poach coaches Kragthorpe (UL) and Graham (PITT).

And, try as they did, they couldn't steal Tulsa's shine. Blankenship looks like a real gem.

(Quo has no clue what I'm talking about. )

(05-13-2013 08:31 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  South Florida is basically South New Jersey so of course any NE school is a bigger draw than any of the Southern (non florida) AAC teams.

UCF fans never minded playing Tulsa. It developed into one of the better rivalries of 2.0.

If USF didnt get their 7 free BCS years they wouldn't mind either.

No question, the attitude of myself and other USF fans is shaped by having spent 8 years in a BCS-AQ conference. There is a difference between having spent your whole life in a trailer park and having grown up in one but then moved up to a nice house for 8 years only to lose that house and have to move back to the trailer park. Once you have a taste of a better life it's hard to go back.

That's just the unique situation USF, UConn, and Cincy are in right now.

"7 free BCS years..."

You sad, bitter, little man...

(05-13-2013 08:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 08:31 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  South Florida is basically South New Jersey so of course any NE school is a bigger draw than any of the Southern (non florida) AAC teams.

UCF fans never minded playing Tulsa. It developed into one of the better rivalries of 2.0.

If USF didnt get their 7 free BCS years they wouldn't mind either.

No question, the attitude of myself and other USF fans is shaped by having spent 8 years in a BCS-AQ conference. There is a difference between having spent your whole life in a trailer park and having grown up in one but then moved up to a nice house for 8 years only to lose that house and have to move back to the trailer park. Once you have a taste of a better life it's hard to go back.

That's just the unique situation USF, UConn, and Cincy are in right now.

How did you feel when you were an ECU fan, Quo?

(05-13-2013 08:18 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  you knew absolutely nothing about what was going to happen to the Big East during last year's realignment, playoffs negotiations, and media deals negotiations. Nobody was more abjectly wrong about so many things.

And that speaks to the reason why you are here.

You think you were proven right and want to rub salt in the wounds of true fans.

Fact is, nobody was proven wrong or right. The particulars of realignment kept changing as the landscape was shifting.

No, fact is, while none of us were exactly right, some of us were far more correct than others. You were the most-wrong of everyone. And what's worse, at the time, you disparaged others for voicing opinions that turned out to be FAR more accurate than yours. According to you, if someone voiced any of the following beliefs, they were a "troll" or someone who hated the Big East:

1) Anyone who didn't think the Big East was going to sign a media deal for at least $17 million per school/per year.

2) Anyone who didn't think the Big East would retain AQ.

3) Anyone who didn't think the Big East was getting STRONGER and MORE VALUABLE when it lost a Pitt or Syracuse but signed a Houston, a Memphis, or a Temple.

4) Anyone who doubted that Aresco was a genius who was going to use his genius media knowledge to sign a massive media contract.

5) Anyone who thought the C7 was going to end up with the "Big East" name.

The irony of course was that to the extent someone like myself was wrong, it was that i was OVERLY optimistic about what was going to happen with the Big East. You were just batsh*t-crazy in your predictions.

You see, one aspect of predicting what is going to happen in the future is making a correct assessment of "how the landscape will shift" and "how the dynamics might change" during the time-frame when decisions are being made. Some of us were just a lot, a whole lot, better at it than others.

But you keep on keeping on, as if none of that happened.

(05-13-2013 09:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 08:18 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  you knew absolutely nothing about what was going to happen to the Big East during last year's realignment, playoffs negotiations, and media deals negotiations. Nobody was more abjectly wrong about so many things.

And that speaks to the reason why you are here.

You think you were proven right and want to rub salt in the wounds of true fans.

Fact is, nobody was proven wrong or right. The particulars of realignment kept changing as the landscape was shifting.

No, fact is, while none of us were exactly right, some of us were far more correct than others. You were the most-wrong of everyone. And what's worse, at the time, you disparaged others for voicing opinions that turned out to be FAR more accurate than yours. According to you, if someone voiced any of the following beliefs, they were a "troll" or someone who hated the Big East:

1) Anyone who didn't think the Big East was going to sign a media deal for at least $17 million per school/per year.

2) Anyone who didn't think the Big East would retain AQ.

3) Anyone who didn't think the Big East was getting STRONGER and MORE VALUABLE when it lost a Pitt or Syracuse but signed a Houston, a Memphis, or a Temple.

4) Anyone who doubted that Aresco was a genius who was going to use his genius media knowledge to sign a massive media contract.

5) Anyone who thought the C7 was going to end up with the "Big East" name.

The irony of course was that to the extent someone like myself was wrong, it was that i was OVERLY optimistic about what was going to happen with the Big East. You were just batsh*t-crazy in your predictions.

You see, one aspect of predicting what is going to happen in the future is making a correct assessment of "how the landscape will shift" and "how the dynamics might change" during the time-frame when decisions are being made. Some of us were just a lot, a whole lot, better at it than others.

But you keep on keeping on, as if none of that happened.

Is there any doubt about this (wo)man's love for the AAC? Or why she's here.

There's no reason to make this about facts. Facts change. But your posting slant remains the same, regardless of the facts.

(05-12-2013 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  This fall will be 30 years since i stepped on our campus for the first time and i've never seen fan morale so low. There seems to be bewilderment about how to move forward.

This has more to do with the campus being in Temple Terrace than the school competing in the AAC.

(05-13-2013 09:30 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  This fall will be 30 years since i stepped on our campus for the first time and i've never seen fan morale so low. There seems to be bewilderment about how to move forward.

This has more to do with the campus being in Temple Terrace than the school competing in the AAC.

Temple Terrace tried to annex USF years ago. Failed, lol. :)

(05-13-2013 09:05 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 08:18 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  you knew absolutely nothing about what was going to happen to the Big East during last year's realignment, playoffs negotiations, and media deals negotiations. Nobody was more abjectly wrong about so many things.

And that speaks to the reason why you are here.

You think you were proven right and want to rub salt in the wounds of true fans.

Fact is, nobody was proven wrong or right. The particulars of realignment kept changing as the landscape was shifting.

No, fact is, while none of us were exactly right, some of us were far more correct than others. You were the most-wrong of everyone. And what's worse, at the time, you disparaged others for voicing opinions that turned out to be FAR more accurate than yours. According to you, if someone voiced any of the following beliefs, they were a "troll" or someone who hated the Big East:

1) Anyone who didn't think the Big East was going to sign a media deal for at least $17 million per school/per year.

2) Anyone who didn't think the Big East would retain AQ.

3) Anyone who didn't think the Big East was getting STRONGER and MORE VALUABLE when it lost a Pitt or Syracuse but signed a Houston, a Memphis, or a Temple.

4) Anyone who doubted that Aresco was a genius who was going to use his genius media knowledge to sign a massive media contract.

5) Anyone who thought the C7 was going to end up with the "Big East" name.

The irony of course was that to the extent someone like myself was wrong, it was that i was OVERLY optimistic about what was going to happen with the Big East. You were just batsh*t-crazy in your predictions.

You see, one aspect of predicting what is going to happen in the future is making a correct assessment of "how the landscape will shift" and "how the dynamics might change" during the time-frame when decisions are being made. Some of us were just a lot, a whole lot, better at it than others.

But you keep on keeping on, as if none of that happened.

Is there any doubt about this (wo)man's love for the AAC? Or why she's here.

There's no reason to make this about facts. Facts change. But your posting slant remains the same, regardless of the facts.

None of us love the AAC. We all want to make the best of it, but get out as soon as possible. That is a fact. And it is no surprise at all that you dislike discussion of facts. Your posting history shows you much prefer to live in fantasy lands.

(05-13-2013 12:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:05 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 08:18 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  you knew absolutely nothing about what was going to happen to the Big East during last year's realignment, playoffs negotiations, and media deals negotiations. Nobody was more abjectly wrong about so many things.

And that speaks to the reason why you are here.

You think you were proven right and want to rub salt in the wounds of true fans.

Fact is, nobody was proven wrong or right. The particulars of realignment kept changing as the landscape was shifting.

No, fact is, while none of us were exactly right, some of us were far more correct than others. You were the most-wrong of everyone. And what's worse, at the time, you disparaged others for voicing opinions that turned out to be FAR more accurate than yours. According to you, if someone voiced any of the following beliefs, they were a "troll" or someone who hated the Big East:

1) Anyone who didn't think the Big East was going to sign a media deal for at least $17 million per school/per year.

2) Anyone who didn't think the Big East would retain AQ.

3) Anyone who didn't think the Big East was getting STRONGER and MORE VALUABLE when it lost a Pitt or Syracuse but signed a Houston, a Memphis, or a Temple.

4) Anyone who doubted that Aresco was a genius who was going to use his genius media knowledge to sign a massive media contract.

5) Anyone who thought the C7 was going to end up with the "Big East" name.

The irony of course was that to the extent someone like myself was wrong, it was that i was OVERLY optimistic about what was going to happen with the Big East. You were just batsh*t-crazy in your predictions.

You see, one aspect of predicting what is going to happen in the future is making a correct assessment of "how the landscape will shift" and "how the dynamics might change" during the time-frame when decisions are being made. Some of us were just a lot, a whole lot, better at it than others.

But you keep on keeping on, as if none of that happened.

Is there any doubt about this (wo)man's love for the AAC? Or why she's here.

There's no reason to make this about facts. Facts change. But your posting slant remains the same, regardless of the facts.

None of us love the AAC. We all want to make the best of it, but get out as soon as possible. That is a fact. And it is no surprise at all that you dislike discussion of facts. Your posting history shows you much prefer to live in fantasy lands.

I think EVERYONE on this board knows that, its just pointless to constantly harp on it.
Bottomline its out of our hands wether any of our schools will be invited to move up or not, so until that time I think most of all would rather enjoy our seasons as best as we can and enjoy and root for this league rather than constantly pointing out that we rather be elsewhere.
Its like repeating to your wife EVERY single day that you rather be elsewhere with the model that wont have you. Whats the point, other than making your life and everyoneelses miserable.

(05-13-2013 12:32 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think EVERYONE on this board knows that, its just pointless to constantly harp on it. Bottomline its out of our hands wether any of our schools will be invited to move up or not, so until that time I think most of all would rather enjoy our seasons as best as we can and enjoy and root for this league rather than constantly pointing out that we rather be elsewhere.
Its like repeating to your wife EVERY single day that you rather be elsewhere with the model that wont have you. Whats the point, other than making your life and everyone elses miserable.

Agreed.