http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hagel-sex...YqDV7WG3kU

Quote:"We need cultural change, where every service member is treated with dignity and respect, where all allegations of inappropriate behavior are treated with seriousness, where victims' privacy is protected, where bystanders are motivated to intervene and where offenders know that they will be held accountable by strong and effective systems of justice," Hagel said.
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he was "terribly disappointed" that the military is not doing a better job to prevent sexual assault.

"It appears to me we're going to have to change the mindset of the military," Reid said.

An admirable goal, but how does one go about initiating and guiding a cultural change in the military?

What have they been doing for the last 5 years? Is this a new phenomenon?

Maybe we need to change our expectations of putting men and women together in remote places, or men and women together, or
get a better soldier, sailor, or airmen, or just hire the Chinese to do it.

Give it time. the Chinese will be hiring us to protect their American interests.

(05-08-2013 12:33 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Maybe we need to change our expectations of putting men and women together in remote places, or men and women together, or
get a better soldier, sailor, or airmen, or just hire the Chinese to do it.

THIS!!!

The same people who run around screaming that "Teens cant help but humping like bunnies" seem to think that drive ends with puberty...

There is no excuse for what is being done to these women and the men need to be severely punished but the policy of putting men and women together in high stress situations away from their sexual partners needs to be examined.

Guess what is the #1 cause for involuntary separation from the Navy for Officers? Sexual Misconduct charges.

(05-08-2013 12:33 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Maybe we need to change our expectations of putting men and women together in remote places, or men and women together, or
get a better soldier, sailor, or airmen, or just hire the Chinese to do it.

Next comes blacks and whites can't serve together. I guess when the south rises again, you can get your wish. Women in the kitchen and segregate the military(if not enslave the blacks again).

(05-08-2013 12:47 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Guess what is the #1 cause for involuntary separation from the Navy for Officers? Sexual Misconduct charges.

So they get fired.

How's about doing a little time, like the rest of us would.

The Israelis have somewhat more dire manpower needs than we do.

So they end up sending mixed-gender tank crews out on patrol. When they do, they issue them condoms.

We need more of a practical approach to this situation.

let's all keep in mind that sexual assault is not the same as consensual sex

Sexual Misconduct as addressed involves multiple charges, ranging from sexual assault to sexual harassment, to having an inappropriate relationship to adultery.

Some of it is totally consensual.

(05-08-2013 01:06 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Sexual Misconduct as addressed involves multiple charges, ranging from sexual assault to sexual harassment, to having an inappropriate relationship to adultery.

Some of it is totally consensual.

... which would be a valid response had I, the pentagon, or the article said sexual misconduct. But we didn't, we said sexual assault.

Per the article:

Quote:The Pentagon uses the term "sexual assault" to refer to a range of crimes, including rape, sexual assault, nonconsensual sodomy, aggravated sexual contact, abusive sexual contact, and attempts to commit these offenses.

I really don't know what to do here. We have the cockiest of the cocky in the service and a lot think that they have an invitation for anything. The only thing that I can see is--once we are out of these wars--is making sure we become pretty selective in the entrance process and in re-enlistment.

(05-08-2013 12:37 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 12:33 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Maybe we need to change our expectations of putting men and women together in remote places, or men and women together, or
get a better soldier, sailor, or airmen, or just hire the Chinese to do it.

THIS!!!

The same people who run around screaming that "Teens cant help but humping like bunnies" seem to think that drive ends with puberty...

The irony is thick, especially when sexual "freedom" is pushed so hard.

Quote:There is no excuse for what is being done to these women and the men need to be severely punished but the policy of putting men and women together in high stress situations away from their sexual partners needs to be examined.

There's not need for an excuse.

The issue here is ethics. The US, by popular vote, is explicitly demanding an aChristian society (AL leads the way). They want all trappings of Christianity thrown out, regardless of what it meant to Western Civ. These are the inevitable consequences, as shown empirically by any study of history.

AL (et. al.) can pretend reality doesn't exist all he wants, it's not going away.

So I guess that I'm the only one who thinks that all of this left wing social engineering in our military is designed for one purpose. Weaken them as a fighting force.

Let's review:

- funding decreases (and I'm not saying that this is necessarily bad)
- DADT, gays in the military
- women allowed in certain combat roles
- attacks on those of faith (Christians) in the military
- a litmus test for commanders - will they order troops to fire on civilians?
- sweeping those commanders who wanted to send support to Benghazi out and replacing them with somebody who will toe the line

These all lead me in one direction. These actions don't occur in a vacuum.

Feel free to call me a RW whack job. You would anyways.

Let's not forget, a lot of this social engineering, as your properly call it, was started under slick willy and his wife. And it is well known they absolutely looooathed the military and their Cabinet members were pretty clear that they viewed the US military and our strength as a Nation as a superpower the root of a lot of the ills around the world.

Weaken the US, everybody will love us. Peace, love and happiness... And now under zerO it's more of the same only on steroids.

(05-08-2013 04:00 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  So I guess that I'm the only one who thinks that all of this left wing social engineering in our military is designed for one purpose. Weaken them as a fighting force.

Let's review:

- funding decreases (and I'm not saying that this is necessarily bad)
- DADT, gays in the military
- women allowed in certain combat roles
- attacks on those of faith (Christians) in the military
- a litmus test for commanders - will they order troops to fire on civilians?
- sweeping those commanders who wanted to send support to Benghazi out and replacing them with somebody who will toe the line

These all lead me in one direction. These actions don't occur in a vacuum.

Feel free to call me a RW whack job. You would anyways.

I've heard just as many stories of attacks on atheists in the military.

I think having a military overseas when the main threat attacks from within is just as loathsome as this social engineering. Their effect as a fighting force is for naught if they are away from the threat.

(05-08-2013 04:27 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I think having a military overseas when the main threat attacks from within is just as loathsome as this social engineering. Their effect as a fighting force is for naught if they are away from the threat.

You may be on to something. Especially if the military assets we DO have overseas aren't or won't be used, even when US citizens are in imminent danger...

(05-08-2013 04:27 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  I've heard just as many stories of attacks on atheists in the military.

You just got an A in false equivalency.

What you speak of is individuals attacking others over their beliefs.

What I'm talking about is INSTITUTIONAL attacks by our very own government on those of faith in the military.

BIG difference there and you know it.