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The cost of bowl games.
Alabama's priciest BCS championship yet: $3.4 million trip to Miami

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...p_yet.html

"Alabama did not sell 2,003 of its 17,040-ticket allotment, absorbing a loss of $751,380 in unsold tickets. Alabama sold eight tickets priced at $385; 3,574 tickets at $350; 9,966 tickets at $325; and 1,489 tickets at $235. The majority of tickets Alabama held for complimentary use were priced at $350."

Why not sell the 2000 tickets and at $200 or $150? This is does not make any sense at all.
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RE: The cost of bowl games.
Alabama doesnt really have the motive of necessity to limit that loss, because in the big picture, $751,000 to them is peanuts. I think a smaller school with a more strict budget would have put a little more effort into breaking even.
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Must be nice.
In many ways.
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Dont they make like $143M in revenue? Saban's office furniture costs $751k
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RE: The cost of bowl games.
I can assure you that in the big picture Alabama has more than made up for that $3.4 million spent on that trip to Miami.
I get what you're saying though, that would be a big challenge for small schools.
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Even for small schools though, the marketing of the school's name associated with a bowl outweighs the costs. If GSo goes to say the Beef o Brady Bowl they will take 10, 000 fans to Tampa and their name will be mentioned more that week in national news and sports highlights than winning a FCS championship. Ultimately, the reality is that athletics is a marketing cost center for the school.
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RE: The cost of bowl games.
They have to make it up with an increase in merchandise sales; however, why leave $750,000 dollars on the table. That is alot of scholarship money or operations money.
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(05-07-2013 10:20 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  They have to make it up with an increase in merchandise sales; however, why leave $750,000 dollars on the table. That is alot of scholarship money or operations money.

It's really not.... at least not for Alabama. They are operating on a completely different level. There weren't any empty seats. They know what they are doing.
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(05-07-2013 10:20 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  They have to make it up with an increase in merchandise sales; however, why leave $750,000 dollars on the table. That is alot of scholarship money or operations money.

Agreed. If a FB scholly is, say, 28K/yr, that's 1/3 of your team's allotment lost for the sake of a Bowl Game. It may be a mere pittance for a school whose athletic budget is close to or exceeds 100 mil but for a school that is hovering in the 20's, that's a whole lot of lost revenue.

Don't forget, not only do you have to get your team (and support staff) there; at your school's expense, they require you to house them (and be there days ahead of time - adding to the expenses). Now, add in you are given an allotment of tickets. For arguments' sake, let's say it's 18K. You only sell 10K. The school has to pay for those other 8K tickets, no matter what. Other than some minor exposure (because, honestly, the smaller Bowls don't get that great amount of coverage), you've put you're already small/down to the penny budget further into recovery mode.

Yes, I'd like TXST to go to a Bowl game because, frankly, right now it's all we can aspire to, but I'd rather go to NO or San Antonio to spare the exorbitant expenses and not put the whole budget into a tailspin.
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Do you think Alabama put a box of tickets outside the stadium with a "FREE, Take One!" sign? It's Alabama! Somebody scratched their back... somebody got "free" tickets. The money they lost is soft money, and was more than made up for.
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Those fans don't buy through the university because they get crap tickets. That is how the bowl makes money, they sell the priority seats and give schools seats outside the 20's. the New Orleans Bowl doesn't do that, at least for the Cajuns.
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(05-07-2013 10:20 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  They have to make it up with an increase in merchandise sales; however, why leave $750,000 dollars on the table. That is alot of scholarship money or operations money.

And THAT'S exactly my point. Who cares if Alabama can afford it, it is money taken off the table.

There is only one sport in the NCAA at all levels where the championship is outsourced. Why on earth is the NCAA's potentially most lucrative postseason outsourced to the bowls and their executives? All that does is cost the Universities and Conferences money.

Even for a school like Alabama, that 750,000 could be returned to the general fund and help fund academics, rather than a bowl executive and staff, who all get over a million dollars for managing one bowl game.

For the G5, that is a huge, HUGE difference. We all love the pageantry of the bowls, but we love the pageantry of the NCAA's too.

BTW, ESPN owns seven bowls. That's part of the answer right there.

I keep hoping one day, the NCAA will man up and institute a playoff system, let conferences opt in and then sell the broadcast rights. Because the NCAA usually covers travel costs, schools would make more and eventually the pressure would be there for all conferences to join. Then, the BCS or whatever crap is there can go the way of the NIT, which used to be the Men's Basketball premier postseason tournament.

You can still have bowls and do a playoff, just like basketball has the NCAA's and the NIT.
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(05-07-2013 10:43 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  Do you think Alabama put a box of tickets outside the stadium with a "FREE, Take One!" sign? It's Alabama! Somebody scratched their back... somebody got "free" tickets. The money they lost is soft money, and was more than made up for.

Agreed. The article states, "Alabama did not sell 2,003 of its 17,040-ticket allotment, absorbing a loss of $751,380 in unsold tickets." That tells me that Alabama gave away 2,003 tickets to various boosters and absorbed the cost. Wasn't the game sold out? I have a hard time believing Alabama didn't sell their 17,040 allotment for a NC game when UL easily sold theirs for the NO Bowl.
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The NO Bowl probably has an allotment of 10,000 and is two hours away. Most teams and schools can't say that second part.
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(05-07-2013 11:29 AM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  
(05-07-2013 10:43 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  Do you think Alabama put a box of tickets outside the stadium with a "FREE, Take One!" sign? It's Alabama! Somebody scratched their back... somebody got "free" tickets. The money they lost is soft money, and was more than made up for.

Agreed. The article states, "Alabama did not sell 2,003 of its 17,040-ticket allotment, absorbing a loss of $751,380 in unsold tickets." That tells me that Alabama gave away 2,003 tickets to various boosters and absorbed the cost. Wasn't the game sold out? I have a hard time believing Alabama didn't sell their 17,040 allotment for a NC game when UL easily sold theirs for the NO Bowl.


More than likely those 2,000 tickets were for the Band, 2 per player for there family, and school officials.
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(05-07-2013 12:32 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The NO Bowl probably has an allotment of 10,000 and is two hours away. Most teams and schools can't say that second part.

Nice try. I didn't state it in the first post but UL actually sold almost double that. And to what many would call a minor bowl.

17,000 tickets for a school with one of the most rabid fanbases in the country for their 3rd NC game in 4 years? It was probably ridiculous how fast those 15,000 tickets sold. The university saved those 2,000 leftover tickets for boosters, or like ValleyBoy said, player's families (illegal benefit?) and school officials. Alabama took the hit because they can. I don't know why you guys are making a big deal of all of this.
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I think all non-bcs bowls should be on campus games. Mid-Majors just don't have the national fanbases that the traditional powers do. I doubt Ark State vs Uconn could fill a stadium in Orlando.
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(05-07-2013 03:00 PM)The Black Flag Wrote:  I think all non-bcs bowls should be on campus games. Mid-Majors just don't have the national fanbases that the traditional powers do. I doubt Ark State vs Uconn could fill a stadium in Orlando.

I think bowl games should get regional participants whenever possible. Arkansas State vs Tulsa in Dallas or Little Rock would be a sellout, or nearly so, as would a bowl game in New Orleans or Mobile with UL vs USM.
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(05-07-2013 01:29 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  
(05-07-2013 12:32 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The NO Bowl probably has an allotment of 10,000 and is two hours away. Most teams and schools can't say that second part.

Nice try. I didn't state it in the first post but UL actually sold almost double that. And to what many would call a minor bowl.

17,000 tickets for a school with one of the most rabid fanbases in the country for their 3rd NC game in 4 years? It was probably ridiculous how fast those 15,000 tickets sold. The university saved those 2,000 leftover tickets for boosters, or like ValleyBoy said, player's families (illegal benefit?) and school officials. Alabama took the hit because they can. I don't know why you guys are making a big deal of all of this.

The Cajuns actually passed 20,000 tickets sold from the ticket office on campus with five days remaining before the game. I know some actually went directly to the Super Dome ticket office to get suites or tickets in better locations as the ticket office was seating in the upper deck or endzone by that time.
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(05-07-2013 11:11 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(05-07-2013 10:20 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  They have to make it up with an increase in merchandise sales; however, why leave $750,000 dollars on the table. That is alot of scholarship money or operations money.

And THAT'S exactly my point. Who cares if Alabama can afford it, it is money taken off the table.

There is only one sport in the NCAA at all levels where the championship is outsourced. Why on earth is the NCAA's potentially most lucrative postseason outsourced to the bowls and their executives? All that does is cost the Universities and Conferences money.

Even for a school like Alabama, that 750,000 could be returned to the general fund and help fund academics, rather than a bowl executive and staff, who all get over a million dollars for managing one bowl game.

For the G5, that is a huge, HUGE difference. We all love the pageantry of the bowls, but we love the pageantry of the NCAA's too.

BTW, ESPN owns seven bowls. That's part of the answer right there.

I keep hoping one day, the NCAA will man up and institute a playoff system, let conferences opt in and then sell the broadcast rights. Because the NCAA usually covers travel costs, schools would make more and eventually the pressure would be there for all conferences to join. Then, the BCS or whatever crap is there can go the way of the NIT, which used to be the Men's Basketball premier postseason tournament.

You can still have bowls and do a playoff, just like basketball has the NCAA's and the NIT.

the bowl games started out being owned by the conferences that is why the NCAA does not own them

the D1-AA playoffs did not start until 1978 and by that time the bowl games for D1-A were 70+ years old (the first Rose Bowl in 1902) and the conferences had no interest in giving that up

there was a time in history when airplanes and private jets and the like did not fly all over everywhere much less for a cheap price and a time when people did not have reliable cars they could jump in and drive for 5-6 hours with their family and friends

and there was a time when a bowl game was more than just two teams coming to play a game it was a city wide event with major things going on and associated with it

it is popular to only try and remember back to when the BCS started in 1996 and cry that the "big boys kept us out and don't want to play with us"......yes because by then the big boys had put decades and decades into building the bowl games into what they were and the little guys were playing playoff games in front of half full stadiums down in D1-AA and not getting on TV and getting no revenue for their efforts

there was a time when there were only 3 over the air TV networks instead of 250 channels of crap and ESPN The Ocho so TV stations could pick and choose what they wanted to show so they went for the things people actually wanted to see VS something that gets some warm bodies half paying attention in front of the set

basketball is not football.....you can't play back to back to back football games even with different teams on the same field often times unless you want some teams playing on torn up crap and especially before the time when there was artificial turf

basketball teams and basketball courts can take game after game after game or at worst play a game every other day.....you can't subject football teams to that specially at the end of the season and for the "important games"

it is popular to pretend there was some great conspiracy to prevent the little guys from having a fair chance, but the reality is it was not possible to have any type of a meaningful playoff in 1902.....1942......1962 or even into the 1970s and by then the bowls had been built into something that was a major attraction and there was still only a few TV channels to show them on and they were owned and controlled by the conferences and featured conference matchups and they were a draw for the people in the MAJOR cities that hosted them as well because of the other things that went on in conjunction with them...the idea that all of that should just be tossed aside so the "little guys" with few fans, few viewers, no draw for general "football fans" and the like is just a fallacy in the minds of those that can't remember past last week much less that conferences put a great deal of time and effort to build up those bowls

things change, but that does not mean that they will change where one day the NCAA says "hey look how poorly the "fair" D1-AA playoffs do lets force the major conferences into that model"......especially when the major conferences will answer with...BYE! and BYE! will probably include all their sports as well as football and the NCAA can go back to being the arbitrator of fairness and equality like before the CFA came into existence and pushed TV revenues through the roof VS what the NCAA was pulling off

and the reality is for most of history the NCAA was not even pulling off a basketball playoff that was the NIT doing that and it was in the biggest city in the USA with plenty of infrastructure and local fans and it was INVITATIONAL so they could make sure to not be stuck with dead weight and it was basketball with much smaller teams, the ability to host multiple games one after the other and for teams to play 2-3 games in a weeks time span VS one game a week.....so the NCAA is not the super hero of championships and playoffs they are the johnny come lately and new kid on the block
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