Aren't there some other implications that would preclude a move before June 1st? I forget why but I remember it being mentioned that that date had some significance. Can't remember if it had to do with compensation for NCAA tourney runs from VCU or ability to participate in FCS football playoffs this year. Can someone clarify that?

(05-07-2013 11:24 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Aren't there some other implications that would preclude a move before June 1st? I forget why but I remember it being mentioned that that date had some significance. Can't remember if it had to do with compensation for NCAA tourney runs from VCU or ability to participate in FCS football playoffs this year. Can someone clarify that?

June 1st is the date that JMU would need to declare to be eligible for FBS in 2015. Any time after that date and it would be 2016.

July is the date in which funds are allocated from tourney runs. Declare before that date and you get nothing.

There is NO way JMU declares before July. I would be beyond shocked if they did. They would be leaving a ton of money on the table and there's no way King/Bourne/Alger would declare before that date when they could use that money for the buyout or whatever they chose. They are too focused on present money to worry about future money or money they could potentially lose.
There may be a deal in place before July, but nothing official will happen until July.

(05-07-2013 09:01 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  Carr is the best there is. If you visit their website you will see where they did consulting for schools like App State and Montana a decade ago, about the possibility of moving up to 1A. As you well know, neither school moved up until App State, recently. Representing multiple schools is a good thing; not a bad thing, Mad victory. One of the things you dismiss is we are more desirable than most of the other schools they may be doing consulting for. They have the connections in the conference world and in addition to giving the admin the data they need to make a move up, more importantly is their role as a headhunter. Don't worry so much. In the end you will be pleased.

Not worried so much as curious

Thanks for the explanation Rufus

(05-07-2013 11:49 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  June 1st is the date that JMU would need to declare to be eligible for FBS in 2015. Any time after that date and it would be 2016.

I hate the long "purgatory" the moves forces us to live in for two or three long years. I hope it doesn't affect our attendance, even though if it does affect attendance for a few years, I believe that it will certainly bounce back and be even better when we are wearing the FBS label.

(05-07-2013 12:34 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 11:49 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  June 1st is the date that JMU would need to declare to be eligible for FBS in 2015. Any time after that date and it would be 2016.

I hate the long "purgatory" the moves forces us to live in for two or three long years. I hope it doesn't affect our attendance, even though if it does affect attendance for a few years, I believe that it will certainly bounce back and be even better when we are wearing the FBS label.

Honestly, it is more likely to help attendance. The ability to win an Fcs championship wasn't the main reason why most of our fans were showing up each week.
Odu is scheduling many road games with better known fbs and bcs teams. They have home games against nc state and va tech on or before 2018.
With better known teams, more fans will show up. Why do you think ecu and byu have the best attendance outside of the bcs? They schedule name teams. Ecu wins about 30% of the time against them.

(05-07-2013 12:34 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 11:49 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  June 1st is the date that JMU would need to declare to be eligible for FBS in 2015. Any time after that date and it would be 2016.

I hate the long "purgatory" the moves forces us to live in for two or three long years. I hope it doesn't affect our attendance, even though if it does affect attendance for a few years, I believe that it will certainly bounce back and be even better when we are wearing the FBS label.

Attendance the first few games I think will be sell outs due to excitement of moving up, even if opponent is bad. Then they will need to keep excitement going with better opponents and winning. It will test our fans, but I think it'll be far better than staying in FCS limbo.
We'll need to get used to not being in the playoffs, anyway.

(05-07-2013 09:01 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  They have the connections in the conference world and in addition to giving the admin the data they need to make a move up, more importantly is their role as a headhunter. Don't worry so much. In the end you will be pleased.

You seem confident.

(05-07-2013 01:20 PM)rufus Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:01 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  They have the connections in the conference world and in addition to giving the admin the data they need to make a move up, more importantly is their role as a headhunter. Don't worry so much. In the end you will be pleased.

You seem confident.

Pretty confident. Can't guarantee anything, but feel like we will move up. If we don't, it will be because of Alger or the BOV. If Alger is on board, it will happen.

(05-07-2013 01:50 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  Pretty confident. Can't guarantee anything, but feel like we will move up. If we don't, it will be because of Alger or the BOV. If Alger is on board, it will happen.

Well, of course, we will if Alger is on board. He makes the ultimate decision.

(05-07-2013 01:53 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 01:50 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  Pretty confident. Can't guarantee anything, but feel like we will move up. If we don't, it will be because of Alger or the BOV. If Alger is on board, it will happen.

Well, of course, we will if Alger is on board. He makes the ultimate decision.

My point is that the Athletic Administration is on board. Football Coach is on board. Fans are on board. I am now on board! No one knows where Alger stands, though.

I'm also thinking it would mean we'd have to get an at large bid to make the NCAA tournament? Not likely. It'd be a shame to see the rising sophomore class not really have much of a chance to make it back to the dance.

(05-07-2013 02:01 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I'm also thinking it would mean we'd have to get an at large bid to make the NCAA tournament? Not likely. It'd be a shame to see the rising sophomore class not really have much of a chance to make it back to the dance.

With our typical OOC schedule, the basketball team has almost no shot of an at-large bid, regardless of how strong they may be. We would need a nearly undefeated season to get an at-large with a roughly #300 strength of schedule.

Even so, we shouldn't let that fear hold us back. We will probably face that situation eventually, if we do ever decide to leave the CAA.

(05-07-2013 01:58 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 01:53 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 01:50 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  Pretty confident. Can't guarantee anything, but feel like we will move up. If we don't, it will be because of Alger or the BOV. If Alger is on board, it will happen.

Well, of course, we will if Alger is on board. He makes the ultimate decision.

My point is that the Athletic Administration is on board. Football Coach is on board. Fans are on board. I am now on board! No one knows where Alger stands, though.

That seems like a greater-than-trivial detail. If he is another Linwood Rose, then we will not be going anywhere in his lifetime.

(05-07-2013 02:10 PM)rufus Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 01:58 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 01:53 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 01:50 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  Pretty confident. Can't guarantee anything, but feel like we will move up. If we don't, it will be because of Alger or the BOV. If Alger is on board, it will happen.

Well, of course, we will if Alger is on board. He makes the ultimate decision.

My point is that the Athletic Administration is on board. Football Coach is on board. Fans are on board. I am now on board! No one knows where Alger stands, though.

That seems like a greater-than-trivial detail. If he is another Linwood Rose, then we will not be going anywhere in his lifetime.

If he was another Linwood rose then you would have never heard the rumor that we have a sbc invite waiting acceptance and that we have a consulting company examining our future.
We would be doing nothing. Have some confidence.

(05-07-2013 02:13 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 02:10 PM)rufus Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 01:58 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 01:53 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 01:50 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  Pretty confident. Can't guarantee anything, but feel like we will move up. If we don't, it will be because of Alger or the BOV. If Alger is on board, it will happen.

Well, of course, we will if Alger is on board. He makes the ultimate decision.

My point is that the Athletic Administration is on board. Football Coach is on board. Fans are on board. I am now on board! No one knows where Alger stands, though.

That seems like a greater-than-trivial detail. If he is another Linwood Rose, then we will not be going anywhere in his lifetime.

If he was another Linwood rose then you would have never heard the rumor that we have a sbc invite waiting acceptance and that we have a consulting company examining our future.
We would be doing nothing. Have some confidence.

Fair point. The statement that he cosigned after the announcement on GMU's departure was much more transparent than any athletics communication from Rose during his entire term.

Quote:1) Although JMU could support a move to FBS, there is no viable FBS conference available, so JMU should remain in the CAA/FCS.

I guess I'm still stuck on this possibility. There does seem to me to be some weight to the rumors that the Sun Belt is interested in JMU, but some of its member schools are so far afield, and their profiles so different, that I could see the decision being that a Sun Belt membership doesn't make sense. The MAC hasn't shown any interest in expanding has largely been excluded from the national discussion, and I continue to think we don't fit what the CUSA and the AAC are looking for in new members. I'm personally of the opinion that we move up immediately, but I could see a risk-averse, budget-realistic (because that is a more fair term than "-conscious") administration deciding that a Sun Belt move is not viable.

I also don't think we would have released a statement from Bourne a while back stating our displeasure with the departure of Mason and the fate of the CAA if we were pleased where we stand.
Alger talks over and over about JMU becoming national and not regional. Part of becoming national is recognition, and unfortunately athletics plays a part (unless you're Ivy League, I suppose). To get that national recognition, staying in a CAA league falling apart and FCS football crumbling is not the answer.
It's no longer a question of "if", but "when". Hopefully the "when" comes before all the doors close, otherwise a national vision may not be there for a long time.

(05-07-2013 02:39 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  I also don't think we would have released a statement from Bourne a while back stating our displeasure with the departure of Mason and the fate of the CAA if we were pleased where we stand.

Come on man. Have you not seen or heard anything from the last 3 years of conference realignment? How many countless times have we seen ADs from big time programs state how pleased they are to be in the conference they're in, only to announce a move literally the next day??
The only thing the statement you refer to does is show that we're not as stupid as Liberty, openly announcing that we'll jump ship at the first sign of a taker.

In Liberty's defense (did I just type that?), there's not many conferences ranked below the Big South. Big South doesn't have a lot of leverage if they feel like Liberty or any other school wasn't giving the conference the appropriate level of respect.

(05-07-2013 04:05 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  In Liberty's defense (did I just type that?), there's not many conferences ranked below the Big South. Big South doesn't have a lot of leverage if they feel like Liberty or any other school wasn't giving the conference the appropriate level of respect.

Does the CAA strike fear in current members that walk the respect line? JMU could publically state that the CAA sucks with no consequence other than Bourne feeling the need to personally present flowers to his butt sore buddy Tom.