http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...twork.aspx

Article discussing the new contracts with a table listing all the existing contracts.

Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.51M (based on 11 schools - Hawaii is separate deal) (doesn't account for national bonuses, which are paid first, then the rest is distributed)
CUSA - $1.45M (based on 14 schools)
AAC - $2.02M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate) (does not count for bridge year of 2013-2014)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

Not in the table at the bottom, but the article mentions the latest ACC deal averages $260 million a year, which would be $18.5 million.

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND Grant of Rights)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

(05-06-2013 12:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND Grant of Rights)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

(05-06-2013 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND Grant of Rights)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

A GOR has value to a conference network, but the ACC doesn't have one right now. Article says this is the 3rd iteration of the contract.
1. Initial (was $12.9 million/school)
2. Expansion ($17.1 million/school w/SU and Pitt)
3. ND and GOR-$260 million average per year for the conference.

(05-06-2013 02:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND Grant of Rights)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

A GOR has value to a conference network, but the ACC doesn't have one right now. Article says this is the 3rd iteration of the contract.
1. Initial (was $12.9 million/school)
2. Expansion ($17.1 million/school w/SU and Pitt)
3. ND and GOR-$260 million average per year for the conference.

Yes, but bear in mind that (2) included a 3-year extension, and was heavily back-loaded. The ACC wouldn't be getting the big dollars until towards the end of the deal, which is what upset FSU so much.

Plus, that deal included ESPN acquiring additional sponsorship rights, such as to ACC title games.

Point i am trying to make is that ESPN didn't pay ACC $4 million more, per school, per year, just for adding Syracuse and Pitt. That extra money was generated by selling additional rights to ESPN, and for several more years.

(05-06-2013 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND Grant of Rights)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

A grant of rights absolutely has value to a network. It ensures a school will not jump ship and go to a conference who broadcasts games on a competing network.

(05-06-2013 03:19 PM)DeacKillsaDevil Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND Grant of Rights)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

A grant of rights absolutely has value to a network. It ensures a school will not jump ship and go to a conference who broadcasts games on a competing network.

I see your point, but the network's main risk is in over-paying for a now-less-valuable property should a school leave. Since that risk can be largely mitigated by clauses that stipulate a reduction in payments or renegotiation if schools leave (as in the case of ESPN's deal with the new AAC), the value of a GoR is very limited. It surely wouldn't justify paying the conference anything near $4 million more per school, per year, as per the ACC's new deal.

In contrast, the 1/2 addition of a brand like Notre Dame, now that's worth lots of money to a network. So if we analyze the ACC's boost in payments from $17 million to $21 million per school, maybe $3.5 million of that boost is for Notre Dame, and 1/2 million for the GoR?

(05-06-2013 03:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 03:19 PM)DeacKillsaDevil Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND Grant of Rights)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

A grant of rights absolutely has value to a network. It ensures a school will not jump ship and go to a conference who broadcasts games on a competing network.

I see your point, but the network's main risk is in over-paying for a now-less-valuable property should a school leave. Since that risk can be largely mitigated by clauses that stipulate a reduction in payments or renegotiation if schools leave (as in the case of ESPN's deal with the new AAC), the value of a GoR is very limited. It surely wouldn't justify paying the conference anything near $4 million more per school, per year, as per the ACC's new deal.

In contrast, the 1/2 addition of a brand like Notre Dame, now that's worth lots of money to a network. So if we analyze the ACC's boost in payments from $17 million to $21 million per school, maybe $3.5 million of that boost is for Notre Dame, and 1/2 million for the GoR?

Not quite. If you go read the articles before the GOR was signed, reports said the ND bump was over 1 mil. After the GOR was signed, the bump went to over 20.

(05-06-2013 03:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 03:19 PM)DeacKillsaDevil Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND Grant of Rights)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

A grant of rights absolutely has value to a network. It ensures a school will not jump ship and go to a conference who broadcasts games on a competing network.

I see your point, but the network's main risk is in over-paying for a now-less-valuable property should a school leave. Since that risk can be largely mitigated by clauses that stipulate a reduction in payments or renegotiation if schools leave (as in the case of ESPN's deal with the new AAC), the value of a GoR is very limited. It surely wouldn't justify paying the conference anything near $4 million more per school, per year, as per the ACC's new deal.

In contrast, the 1/2 addition of a brand like Notre Dame, now that's worth lots of money to a network. So if we analyze the ACC's boost in payments from $17 million to $21 million per school, maybe $3.5 million of that boost is for Notre Dame, and 1/2 million for the GoR?

I look @ it like this....ESPN/Fox did the exact same back in 2011-2012 when the Big XII did there GoR. It is an investment and it stablizes cost for the networks.

Now for the next 10-12 Years the Power Leagues are done...and ESPN & Fox have their inventory.

(05-06-2013 04:14 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 03:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 03:19 PM)DeacKillsaDevil Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

A grant of rights absolutely has value to a network. It ensures a school will not jump ship and go to a conference who broadcasts games on a competing network.

I see your point, but the network's main risk is in over-paying for a now-less-valuable property should a school leave. Since that risk can be largely mitigated by clauses that stipulate a reduction in payments or renegotiation if schools leave (as in the case of ESPN's deal with the new AAC), the value of a GoR is very limited. It surely wouldn't justify paying the conference anything near $4 million more per school, per year, as per the ACC's new deal.

In contrast, the 1/2 addition of a brand like Notre Dame, now that's worth lots of money to a network. So if we analyze the ACC's boost in payments from $17 million to $21 million per school, maybe $3.5 million of that boost is for Notre Dame, and 1/2 million for the GoR?

Not quite. If you go read the articles before the GOR was signed, reports said the ND bump was over 1 mil. After the GOR was signed, the bump went to over 20.

This article says the bump for both was $1.5 ($260/14 = $18.5)
The conference’s recent additions — Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh and Syracuse — plus the grant of rights “enhance those discussions,” Swofford added. Those moves caused ESPN to sweeten its rights offer for an all-in media deal that will average $260 million a year through 2026-27. There are other contractual elements, sources said, that could push the value higher, especially if the conference starts its own network.

If ESPN is now turning its attention to a possible ACC network, company President John Skipper wasn’t saying so at the SEC announcement in Atlanta. He refused to comment on any other conference partners, but that hasn’t stopped ACC administrators from beaming about their own potential.

This is the third version of the ACC’s deal with ESPN that started with the 2011-12 academic year. They first reopened negotiations in 2012 after the conference added Syracuse and Pittsbugh, and it was reopened again this year thanks to the addition of Notre Dame.

The power leagues are probably done for expansion till the contracts expire. Yet, there are things that could change that outcome. ESPN might want more content to start an acc network and demand uconn, cincy , etc get invites + maybe send some school's to the sec. Pretty much whatever espn wants will probably happen. Or what happens if the pac 10 threw out invites to texas, texas tech, OU, OSU, KU, and KSU. No political problems in those moving and 6 can dissolve the big 12 so the GOR is out the door. Of course, its hard to set up an 18 team pac 10, 3 pods of 6?. If the pac 10 sticks with no religious schools, maybe houston works to get to 20. I guess it just depends on how texas feels longterm about the big 12.

(05-06-2013 03:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 02:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND Grant of Rights)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

FTFY -- ACC's latest bump was due to the Grant of Rights, not ND. TerryD can explain it in detail if he shows up.

No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

A GOR has value to a conference network, but the ACC doesn't have one right now. Article says this is the 3rd iteration of the contract.
1. Initial (was $12.9 million/school)
2. Expansion ($17.1 million/school w/SU and Pitt)
3. ND and GOR-$260 million average per year for the conference.

Yes, but bear in mind that (2) included a 3-year extension, and was heavily back-loaded. The ACC wouldn't be getting the big dollars until towards the end of the deal, which is what upset FSU so much.

Plus, that deal included ESPN acquiring additional sponsorship rights, such as to ACC title games.

Point i am trying to make is that ESPN didn't pay ACC $4 million more, per school, per year, just for adding Syracuse and Pitt. That extra money was generated by selling additional rights to ESPN, and for several more years.

All of these media contracts are back loaded.
CBS was starting to lose too much money on "March Madness" because they are in the last couple of years of the contract. That is why CBS brought in several "partners" (TBS, Tru-TV) to help with their losses.
The point is that all media companies want to lengthen contracts it delays the inevitable.

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

Does the Big XII have equal revenue distribution?

(05-06-2013 04:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 04:14 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 03:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 03:19 PM)DeacKillsaDevil Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  No, it was because of ND. A grant of rights brings with it no real quantifiable value to a network.

A grant of rights absolutely has value to a network. It ensures a school will not jump ship and go to a conference who broadcasts games on a competing network.

I see your point, but the network's main risk is in over-paying for a now-less-valuable property should a school leave. Since that risk can be largely mitigated by clauses that stipulate a reduction in payments or renegotiation if schools leave (as in the case of ESPN's deal with the new AAC), the value of a GoR is very limited. It surely wouldn't justify paying the conference anything near $4 million more per school, per year, as per the ACC's new deal.

In contrast, the 1/2 addition of a brand like Notre Dame, now that's worth lots of money to a network. So if we analyze the ACC's boost in payments from $17 million to $21 million per school, maybe $3.5 million of that boost is for Notre Dame, and 1/2 million for the GoR?

Not quite. If you go read the articles before the GOR was signed, reports said the ND bump was over 1 mil. After the GOR was signed, the bump went to over 20.

This article says the bump for both was $1.5 ($260/14 = $18.5)
The conference’s recent additions — Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh and Syracuse — plus the grant of rights “enhance those discussions,” Swofford added. Those moves caused ESPN to sweeten its rights offer for an all-in media deal that will average $260 million a year through 2026-27. There are other contractual elements, sources said, that could push the value higher, especially if the conference starts its own network.

If ESPN is now turning its attention to a possible ACC network, company President John Skipper wasn’t saying so at the SEC announcement in Atlanta. He refused to comment on any other conference partners, but that hasn’t stopped ACC administrators from beaming about their own potential.

This is the third version of the ACC’s deal with ESPN that started with the 2011-12 academic year. They first reopened negotiations in 2012 after the conference added Syracuse and Pittsbugh, and it was reopened again this year thanks to the addition of Notre Dame.

I think that 260 million is wrong. I believe that was pre-GOR. Article below was submitted after the GOR was signed and it clearly states the avg will go above 20.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

(05-06-2013 10:13 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Whoa. CUSA gets $4.4M/year for their CCG! I had only previously seen that reported at $1M/year. Good find.

Based on that chart, the average annual payout per school:

Have-nots:
MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

Haves:
ACC - $17.14M (not including latest bump for ND)
XII - $20M
B1G - $16M (based on eventual 14 schools)
PAC - $20.83M
SEC - $14.64M (not including SEC Network)

Does the Big XII have equal revenue distribution?

Yes. It was one of the conditions of the reconciliation of 2011.

The correct per-school average for the MWC is $1.51M because the money is only being split 11 ways. Hawaii is foregoing its share in exchange for keeping all of the $2.4M annual income from its local PPV deal.

Also I don't think the MWC has negotiated the payout for its CCG yet.

(05-06-2013 04:29 PM)bluesox Wrote:  The power leagues are probably done for expansion till the contracts expire. Yet, there are things that could change that outcome. ESPN might want more content to start an acc network and demand uconn, cincy , etc get invites + maybe send some school's to the sec. Pretty much whatever espn wants will probably happen. Or what happens if the pac 10 threw out invites to texas, texas tech, OU, OSU, KU, and KSU. No political problems in those moving and 6 can dissolve the big 12 so the GOR is out the door. Of course, its hard to set up an 18 team pac 10, 3 pods of 6?. If the pac 10 sticks with no religious schools, maybe houston works to get to 20. I guess it just depends on how texas feels longterm about the big 12.

I doubt that the PAC 12 would ever pull the trigger on six teams at once. Maybe four to get to sixteen. Six would be an organizational nightmare at the same time. Four won't dissolve the Big XII. Lots of Texas schools glad to move up and take their place...and their money.

Is the AAC really only making $4 million total for 7 years of basketball on CBS Sports? That has to be a misprint.