Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

$$$ & Facilities tilt strongly in the ACC Favor...3 of the Top 6 in regards to Basketball Revenue are #1 Louisville, #3 UNC & #6. Duke.

Going forward JMO the Top 7 Basketball Leagues:
1. ACC
2. B1G
3. BIG EAST
4. Pac 12
5. AAC
6. Big XII
7. SEC

(05-04-2013 08:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

$$$ & Facilities tilt strongly in the ACC Favor...3 of the Top 6 in regards to Basketball Revenue are #1 Louisville, #3 UNC & #6. Duke.

Going forward JMO the Top 7 Basketball Leagues:
1. ACC
2. B1G
3. BIG EAST
4. Pac 12
5. AAC
6. Big XII
7. SEC

Regardless of money...I'm talking about long-term success on the court. That's championships, Final Fours, top 10 rankings, etc.

(05-04-2013 08:45 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

$$$ & Facilities tilt strongly in the ACC Favor...3 of the Top 6 in regards to Basketball Revenue are #1 Louisville, #3 UNC & #6. Duke.

Going forward JMO the Top 7 Basketball Leagues:
1. ACC
2. B1G
3. BIG EAST
4. Pac 12
5. AAC
6. Big XII
7. SEC

Regardless of money...I'm talking about long-term success on the court. That's championships, Final Fours, top 10 rankings, etc.

It all tied in...even when Pitino, Coach K, Boehiem & Roy Williams retire due to that factor and the fact that UNC, Duke & Louisville are College Basketball Royalty-(one of 6 Programs with @ least Double Digit Final Four Appearance & @ least 3 NCAA Titles) those schools will have their pick of who they want as a replacement and those fanbases will demand excellence.

ACC Top 4 by far.

I agree, I think overall, the ACC will be the best basketball league after Louisville joins followed second by the Big Ten. The bottom feeders of the Big Ten are just really bad, especially when you add Rutgers along with Nebraska, Penn State and Northwestern.

Best basketball - ACC

Best football - SEC

Best combination of the two - the BiG

Cheers,
Neil

(05-04-2013 09:11 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:45 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

$$$ & Facilities tilt strongly in the ACC Favor...3 of the Top 6 in regards to Basketball Revenue are #1 Louisville, #3 UNC & #6. Duke.

Going forward JMO the Top 7 Basketball Leagues:
1. ACC
2. B1G
3. BIG EAST
4. Pac 12
5. AAC
6. Big XII
7. SEC

Regardless of money...I'm talking about long-term success on the court. That's championships, Final Fours, top 10 rankings, etc.

It all tied in...even when Pitino, Coach K, Boehiem & Roy Williams retire due to that factor and the fact that UNC, Duke & Louisville are College Basketball Royalty-(one of 6 Programs with @ least Double Digit Final Four Appearance & @ least 3 NCAA Titles) those schools will have their pick of who they want as a replacement and those fanbases will demand excellence.

I think the AAC is ahead of the PAC 12 and the new Big East. Are you kidding 5th? I would also put the Big 12 ahead of the PAC 12

Cincinnati
Memphis
Temple
UConn

Add start ups like

SMU- Larry Brown coach, top 10 recruiting class
Houston- great history, decent team last year, should contend this year


You've made good points with Boeheim, Pitino and Williams set to retire, there goes the league. Those retiring should happen within 5 years. Not sure how Louisville got into NCAA basketball royalty, but I guess your a legend in your own mind too. You're also right in that the programs will have their pick of the litter, but not because of the self proclaimed royalty, but because of money. Money does not buy everything and there is not another coach Pitino out there. SO when he is gone, he's gone and UL cannot hire another one. They can pay alot for someone and if he fails, they will owe large sums of money on his contract until they get it right and find the right guy. We have the right guy for the next 25-30 years and I'm very excited to watch Coach Cronin coach the Bearcats.


WHAT DOES THIS THREAD HAVE TO DO WITH CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT ???

NCAA Tournament champions
1980, 1986, 2013

NCAA Tournament Final Four
1959, 1972, 1975, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1986, 2005, 2012, 2013

NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1959, 1972, 1975, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1986, 1997, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013

NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
1951, 1959, 1961, 1967, 1968, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013

NCAA Tournament appearances
1951, 1959, 1961, 1964, 1967, 1968, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

Conference tournament champions
1928, 1929, 1978, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2003, 2005, 2009, 2012, 2013

Conference regular season champions
1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1993, 1994, 2005, 2009, 2013

Tradition Number National Rank
All-time NCAA Tournaments 39 5th
All-time NCAA Tournament Wins 70 6th
All-time NCAA Final Fours 10 6th
All-time victories 1697 12th
All-time Winning Percentage .661 8th

Denny Crum HOF coach
Rick Pitino HOF coach

That's how Louisville got to be college basketball royalty. Thank you, come again.

(05-05-2013 12:28 AM)omniorange Wrote:  Best basketball - ACC

Best football - SEC

Best combination of the two - the BiG

Cheers,
Neil

I think the best combo of the two will end up being the ACC in a few years. It's already headed that way.

(05-05-2013 07:23 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 12:28 AM)omniorange Wrote:  Best basketball - ACC

Best football - SEC

Best combination of the two - the BiG

Cheers,
Neil

I think the best combo of the two will end up being the ACC in a few years. It's already headed that way.

What? That's not going to happen.

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

Which conference has the best second tier that might elbow their way into the mix with the top four?
ACC- ND, NCSU, Pitt, Miami, FSU, UVA ?

(05-05-2013 10:32 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

Which conference has the best second tier that might elbow their way into the mix with the top four?
ACC- ND, NCSU, Pitt, Miami, FSU, UVA ?

Don't sell the BiG short here, with Wisconsin, Illinois, Maryland, and Purdue.

I'd still give it to the ACC, but the margin isn't as wide as some might think.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-05-2013 10:54 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 10:32 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

Which conference has the best second tier that might elbow their way into the mix with the top four?
ACC- ND, NCSU, Pitt, Miami, FSU, UVA ?

Don't sell the BiG short here, with Wisconsin, Illinois, Maryland, and Purdue.

I'd still give it to the ACC, but the margin isn't as wide as some might think.

Cheers,
Neil

Oh I wasn't just wondering who the Big10 counterpoints to those ACC schools I listed would be. I don't know that much about them.

(05-05-2013 10:32 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

Which conference has the best second tier that might elbow their way into the mix with the top four?
ACC- ND, NCSU, Pitt, Miami, FSU, UVA ?

I'd say the ACC has the best top-4, and the Big 10 has the best next 6:
Wisconsin, Illinois, Purdue, and Maryland are on the same level as Pitt and NCSU. ND, Miami, and FSU are decent, but they're no better than Iowa. Minnesota and UVA haven't done anything since the 90's.

(05-05-2013 11:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 10:32 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

Which conference has the best second tier that might elbow their way into the mix with the top four?
ACC- ND, NCSU, Pitt, Miami, FSU, UVA ?

I'd say the ACC has the best top-4, and the Big 10 has the best next 6:
Wisconsin, Illinois, Purdue, and Maryland are on the same level as Pitt and NCSU. ND, Miami, and FSU are decent, but they're no better than Iowa. Minnesota and UVA haven't done anything since the 90's.

I'd put it this way, Top 4 to ACC

Next 4 down goes to the BiG - Wisconsin, Illinois, Maryland, and Purdue over Pitt, ND, NCST, and FSU

And the bottom 6-7 to the ACC.

Now, if the BiG were to expand with Kansas and Oklahoma, then we have a real battle for supremacy.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-05-2013 08:58 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 07:23 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 12:28 AM)omniorange Wrote:  Best basketball - ACC

Best football - SEC

Best combination of the two - the BiG

Cheers,
Neil

I think the best combo of the two will end up being the ACC in a few years. It's already headed that way.

What? That's not going to happen.

Why not? How far ahead is football is the BIG now? They've only won one BCS title just like the ACC. What happens if FSU and Miami start producing like they should.... Recruiting is already starting to play out in the ACC's favor just like NFL draft picks. It's only a matter of time.

(05-04-2013 08:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

$$$ & Facilities tilt strongly in the ACC Favor...3 of the Top 6 in regards to Basketball Revenue are #1 Louisville, #3 UNC & #6. Duke.

Going forward JMO the Top 7 Basketball Leagues:
1. ACC
2. B1G
3. BIG EAST
4. Pac 12
5. AAC
6. Big XII
7. SEC

Going forward, there are going to be ten basketball conferences that will get press. I'd rank them a little differently. You're giving the PAC too much credit, and the XII not enough.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big East
4. American
5. Big XII
6. MWC
7. SEC
8. PAC-12
9. A10
10. WCC

I would rank them
ACC
B1G
Big12
AAC
Big East
MWC
SEC
PAC 12
A10
CUSA
WCC

I feel the Big 12 Conference will get stronger again in Basketball in the near future.

(05-05-2013 01:41 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 08:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Which conference has the best top four...ACC or Big 10

ACC

UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse

Big 10

Michigan, Ohio St, Indiana, Michigan St

$$$ & Facilities tilt strongly in the ACC Favor...3 of the Top 6 in regards to Basketball Revenue are #1 Louisville, #3 UNC & #6. Duke.

Going forward JMO the Top 7 Basketball Leagues:
1. ACC
2. B1G
3. BIG EAST
4. Pac 12
5. AAC
6. Big XII
7. SEC

Going forward, there are going to be ten basketball conferences that will get press. I'd rank them a little differently. You're giving the PAC too much credit, and the XII not enough.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big East
4. American
5. Big XII
6. MWC
7. SEC
8. PAC-12
9. A10
10. WCC

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big East
4. American
5. Big XII
6. SEC
7. PAC- 12
8. MWC
9. A10
10. WCC

I agree with your list for the most part but I'm not buying the MWC just yet. SEC and PAC are still better conferences IMO.