(04-29-2013 12:18 PM)jmusuperfan Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:45 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Should be a close game. I don't put too much credibility in the Sagarin ratings especially when you are talking D1A-D1AA crossover, but if you look at last year's final sagarin and then add 3 pts to Akron for being at home, then it looks to be a very close game.

As far as giving Bowden a hard time, he inherited a complete mess of a basket case in Akron. Last season was his first season and was just getting to know the players. I expect he will have made the best of the offseason and Akron will be improved. I think they have most of a decent offense back so they should be able to put up points. Their defense was awful last year and what caused them to lose 11 games. Chuck Amato the former NC State head coach and Florida State defensive coordinator is their current defensive coordinator so he has been around. In theory, the Zips have an all-star coaching staff.

I'm not sure what James Madison has returning and didn't follow, but I wouldn't "expect" the Dukes to win, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Dukes did win.

I would expect a close game and a toss-up similar to the Akron/UMass game last year.

We're much better than that UMass team. But, depends on which JMU team shows up....when playing FBS we have the "lets try to win this thing" team and then we also have the "lets get a check and run 50 draw plays" team.

Depends on Mickey's appetite for risk and injuries etc.

Considering our QB situation and the hot water Mickey will be in this year if we do another 6-7 win year, we'll go very conservative on the QB front which may cost us the game.

Terry Bowden has gotten huge!

(04-29-2013 12:20 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:16 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:48 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:46 AM)JMU Wrote:  Does anyone know what the payout is for this game?

The going rate for a MAC - D1AA one and done is around $250,000, but I don't know what the Akron / JMU agreement was for. If it had been an ACC or Big Ten team it would have been $350,000 for 1AA and $850,000 for 1A. App State is playing Michigan this year and in their contract it stated something like that where the payout escalated from $350K to $850K if they were to have reached 1A by the time they played this year.

I don't think those app st v mich numbers are right. I thought the deal was structured where they would receive 600k+ if they were FCS and $800k+ if they were FBS. Could be wrong but your figures sound a lot lower than what I recall reading.

You're right ATL, he doesn't know what he is talking about. App was payed 400k in 07' by Michigan. For the 2014 game App was to receive 800k as a IAA, 1 million $ if they had made the move to I-A.
http://blowingrocket.com/Local_News/stor...-id-002851

Key words that I said were "something like". I never said I had the exact numbers, just that I remember it escalating if they were FBS. Geesh.

Yeah, but you weren't even remotely close. I remembered, but wanted to provide a link- took about a minute to google it.

(04-29-2013 12:33 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:20 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:16 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:48 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  The going rate for a MAC - D1AA one and done is around $250,000, but I don't know what the Akron / JMU agreement was for. If it had been an ACC or Big Ten team it would have been $350,000 for 1AA and $850,000 for 1A. App State is playing Michigan this year and in their contract it stated something like that where the payout escalated from $350K to $850K if they were to have reached 1A by the time they played this year.

I don't think those app st v mich numbers are right. I thought the deal was structured where they would receive 600k+ if they were FCS and $800k+ if they were FBS. Could be wrong but your figures sound a lot lower than what I recall reading.

You're right ATL, he doesn't know what he is talking about. App was payed 400k in 07' by Michigan. For the 2014 game App was to receive 800k as a IAA, 1 million $ if they had made the move to I-A.
http://blowingrocket.com/Local_News/stor...-id-002851

Key words that I said were "something like". I never said I had the exact numbers, just that I remember it escalating if they were FBS. Geesh.

Yeah, but you weren't even remotely close. I remembered, but wanted to provide a link- took about a minute to google it.

I was too lazy. Im off my game.

(04-29-2013 12:43 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I was too lazy. Im off my game.

Must be the rust!

(04-29-2013 01:08 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:43 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I was too lazy. Im off my game.

Must be the rust!

Would really be hard for me to believe a $400,000.00 paycheck when only a few years back we just got a buck 50 from Duke.

(04-29-2013 01:19 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Would really be hard for me to believe a $400,000.00 paycheck when only a few years back we just got a buck 50 from Duke.

Demand they provide a link, they might not know what they are talking about...

(04-29-2013 12:25 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  Considering our QB situation and the hot water Mickey will be in this year if we do another 6-7 win year...

"Another 6 or 7 win season..."?

A couple questions...when was MM's last 6 win season? And how many of those 6 win seasons has JMU posted since his last 6 win season? Oh, and when was MM's last losing season? And how many playoffs has JMU been too, and how many of those trips have been under MM's term as HC?

Just curious about the temp of that so-called "hot water"...seems to me it's probably far too cold to make instant coffee.

(04-29-2013 03:54 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:25 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  Considering our QB situation and the hot water Mickey will be in this year if we do another 6-7 win year...

"Another 6 or 7 win season..."?

A couple questions...when was MM's last 6 win season? And how many of those 6 win seasons has JMU posted since his last 6 win season? Oh, and when was MM's last losing season? And how many playoffs has JMU been too, and how many of those trips have been under MM's term as HC?

Just curious about the temp of that so-called "hot water"...seems to me it's probably far too cold to make instant coffee.

I agree...Mickey has made JMU football. People have lost the perspective of where things were with Alex Wood...

(04-29-2013 03:54 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:25 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  Considering our QB situation and the hot water Mickey will be in this year if we do another 6-7 win year...

"Another 6 or 7 win season..."?

A couple questions...when was MM's last 6 win season? And how many of those 6 win seasons has JMU posted since his last 6 win season? Oh, and when was MM's last losing season? And how many playoffs has JMU been too, and how many of those trips have been under MM's term as HC?

Just curious about the temp of that so-called "hot water"...seems to me it's probably far too cold to make instant coffee.

2009 and 2010 were 6 win seasons.
2011 and 2012 were 7 win regular seasons....2011 was 8 when you count our play in victory at EKU.

In 2011 (as many here forget) we needed a whole lot of help on the last weekend to sneak into the playoffs. We then beat EKU on a last second FG before fighting hard at NDSU.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that MM is on the warm seat. If we miss the playoffs this year, his seat is red hot. I'm sorry, but what he did from 2004 (sans 2005) to 2008 is now 1/2 a 1/2 decade in the past. 2011 was a nice season for a lot of programs.....but we're spending close to $7 million on an FCS team. Expectations are high, admittedly thanks to MM.

(04-29-2013 03:59 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:54 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:25 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  Considering our QB situation and the hot water Mickey will be in this year if we do another 6-7 win year...

"Another 6 or 7 win season..."?

A couple questions...when was MM's last 6 win season? And how many of those 6 win seasons has JMU posted since his last 6 win season? Oh, and when was MM's last losing season? And how many playoffs has JMU been too, and how many of those trips have been under MM's term as HC?

Just curious about the temp of that so-called "hot water"...seems to me it's probably far too cold to make instant coffee. :coffee3:

2009 and 2010 were 6 win seasons.
2011 and 2012 were 7 win regular seasons....2011 was 8 when you count our play in victory at EKU.

In 2011 (as many here forget) we needed a whole lot of help on the last weekend to sneak into the playoffs. We then beat EKU on a last second FG before fighting hard at NDSU.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that MM is on the warm seat. If we miss the playoffs this year, his seat is red hot. I'm sorry, but what he did from 2004 (sans 2005) to 2008 is now 1/2 a 1/2 decade in the past. 2011 was a nice season for a lot of programs.....but we're spending close to $7 million on an FCS team. Expectations are high, admittedly thanks to MM.

Funny how many people tend to forget how JMU has only been mediocre the past 4 seasons.

(04-29-2013 03:59 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:54 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:25 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  Considering our QB situation and the hot water Mickey will be in this year if we do another 6-7 win year...

"Another 6 or 7 win season..."?

A couple questions...when was MM's last 6 win season? And how many of those 6 win seasons has JMU posted since his last 6 win season? Oh, and when was MM's last losing season? And how many playoffs has JMU been too, and how many of those trips have been under MM's term as HC?

Just curious about the temp of that so-called "hot water"...seems to me it's probably far too cold to make instant coffee.

2009 and 2010 were 6 win seasons.
2011 and 2012 were 7 win regular seasons....2011 was 8 when you count our play in victory at EKU.

In 2011 (as many here forget) we needed a whole lot of help on the last weekend to sneak into the playoffs. We then beat EKU on a last second FG before fighting hard at NDSU.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that MM is on the warm seat. If we miss the playoffs this year, his seat is red hot. I'm sorry, but what he did from 2004 (sans 2005) to 2008 is now 1/2 a 1/2 decade in the past. 2011 was a nice season for a lot of programs.....but we're spending close to $7 million on an FCS team. Expectations are high, admittedly thanks to MM.

No doubt in your mind...but quite honestly I don't see any change in the HC position short of a complete scandal. You may not like it, but MM will retire long before he's ever removed as HC. Oh, and you conveniently didn't answer all of my questions...when was MM's last losing season?

The truth is the FB team been competitive in every season you discount as just 6-7 win seasons (those were winning seasons by the way) and the notion that it's been a whole "1/2 decade in the past" since JMU posted a noteworthy season is laughable. I'll take a 21-16 win over a ranked VT team any year. And it's not like JMU hasn't enjoyed high rankings in the polls, or knocked off top teams (like #1 ranked W&M).

The worst kind of FB fans are the types (like those found at Alabama or Texas) that whine and carry-on about not winning a NC every year. Unfortunately, that mentality is present in our own fanbase, and it is something that I hope will change (not with a new HC) but with a bit of perspective about why colleges really play the game.

yeah, that $400K figure seems high. I would expect a bottom feeder like Akron to pay about half of that.
As far as the game goes, let's not kid ourselves. Akron will be, and should be, the favorite. JMU won't be a 32 pt underdog like they were in the epic upset of Virginia Tech, but they will be an underdog nonetheless.
Home field and 85 scholarships do make a difference even if the talent is very comparable.
Additionally, Terry Bowden is a very good coach that I would consider a notch above Mickey since he has achieved at the highest level of college football.

I expect justice to be served as JMU owes Terry Bowden. His Samford team did not deserve to beat the Dukes in the '91 playoffs and that last second field goal was good, it was good, it was good. It is on my list as one of the top 10 worst calls I've ever witnessed.

JMU offense led by former NC State HC Mike OCain going up against Akron defense led by former NC State HC Chuck Amato.....

(04-29-2013 06:15 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  JMU offense led by former NC State HC Mike OCain going up against Akron defense led by former NC State HC Chuck Amato.....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hA610Xmduv8

Chuck has style
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(04-29-2013 04:36 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  yeah, that $400K figure seems high. I would expect a bottom feeder like Akron to pay about half of that.
As far as the game goes, let's not kid ourselves. Akron will be, and should be, the favorite. JMU won't be a 32 pt underdog like they were in the epic upset of Virginia Tech, but they will be an underdog nonetheless.
Home field and 85 scholarships do make a difference even if the talent is very comparable.
Additionally, Terry Bowden is a very good coach that I would consider a notch above Mickey since he has achieved at the highest level of college football.

I expect justice to be served as JMU owes Terry Bowden. His Samford team did not deserve to beat the Dukes in the '91 playoffs and that last second field goal was good, it was good, it was good. It is on my list as one of the top 10 worst calls I've ever witnessed.

Which begs the question why is JMU playing @ a school that avg about 40% of the attendance of JMU and can't pay JMU close to what JMU would make at a home game. I've said it before-with the new stadium it doesn't make sense for JMU to play @ a I-A for around 400K and up. Paid:
2010 VT: 450k
2011 UNC: 350k (1st season of the new stadium).
2012 WVU @ Fed Ex: 385K based on the below?

"....JMU, a Football Championship Subdivision school in Harrisonburg, Va., is guaranteed $350,000 for the game, but can make an additional $150,000 in an attendance incentive.

The Dukes, who have about 20,000 alumni in the Washington, D.C., metro area, would make $10 for every ticket sold beyond 42,500 up to 57,500........
http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/201106260119

Attendance was listed at 45,511:
http://www.jmusports.com/fls/14400/stats...u-0915.htm

Posted this on the "11 games it is" thread earlier this week:
Akron's home game attendance last yr:
UCF: 12,616
Morgan State: 9,933
Miami of Ohio: 8,211
Bowling Green: 10, 102
Northern Illinois: 7,074
UMass: 7716
Avg:9275
http://www.gozips.com/sports/fball/2012-13/schedule

They ranked 119 of 120 I-A teams, only ahead of Eastern Michigan. Pathetic.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...attendance

(04-29-2013 06:36 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Posted this on the "11 games it is" thread earlier this week:
Akron's home game attendance last yr:
UCF: 12,616
Morgan State: 9,933
Miami of Ohio: 8,211
Bowling Green: 10, 102
Northern Illinois: 7,074
UMass: 7716
Avg:9275
http://www.gozips.com/sports/fball/2012-13/schedule

They ranked 119 of 120 I-A teams, only ahead of Eastern Michigan. Pathetic.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...attendance

we are exactly on the same page.

(04-29-2013 06:35 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 04:36 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  yeah, that $400K figure seems high. I would expect a bottom feeder like Akron to pay about half of that.
As far as the game goes, let's not kid ourselves. Akron will be, and should be, the favorite. JMU won't be a 32 pt underdog like they were in the epic upset of Virginia Tech, but they will be an underdog nonetheless.
Home field and 85 scholarships do make a difference even if the talent is very comparable.
Additionally, Terry Bowden is a very good coach that I would consider a notch above Mickey since he has achieved at the highest level of college football.

I expect justice to be served as JMU owes Terry Bowden. His Samford team did not deserve to beat the Dukes in the '91 playoffs and that last second field goal was good, it was good, it was good. It is on my list as one of the top 10 worst calls I've ever witnessed.

Which begs the question why is JMU playing @ a school that avg about 40% of the attendance of JMU and can't pay JMU close to what JMU would make at a home game. I've said it before-with the new stadium it doesn't make sense for JMU to play @ a I-A for around 400K and up. Paid:
2010 VT: 450k
2011 UNC: 350k (1st season of the new stadium).
2012 WVU @ Fed Ex: 385K based on the below?

"....JMU, a Football Championship Subdivision school in Harrisonburg, Va., is guaranteed $350,000 for the game, but can make an additional $150,000 in an attendance incentive.

The Dukes, who have about 20,000 alumni in the Washington, D.C., metro area, would make $10 for every ticket sold beyond 42,500 up to 57,500........
http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/201106260119

Attendance was listed at 45,511:
http://www.jmusports.com/fls/14400/stats...u-0915.htm

The Dukes, who have about 20,000 alumni in the Washington, D.C., metro area, would make $10 for every ticket sold beyond 42,500 up to 57,500.

How much is St. Francis paying us to go to play them?