(04-29-2013 09:37 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I am going to very cautiously wade into these racial waters........and probably regret it at a later time.

While I do not agree with JF's stereotype about the academic pedigree of the participants of both Greekfest and last week's "festival", many of us with ties to South Hampton Roads remember too well the Greekfest riots from years ago. I, too, was a student and bartended at the Ocean Front during that time period, and remember the very racial overtones of the "exuberance" shown by the rioters during that event. It was downplayed by the media, of course, but the event was for minorities, and the rioting was performed by minorities. Whether they were students or those that congregate around students really did not matter, only the fact that distinctions were made based upon skin color, with violent consequences.

Fast forward to this weekend. My cousin (actually half-brother as our fathers were identical twins) owns a bar on the south end of the oceanfront. Due to "local knowledge" that this event had the potential to get out of hand, they added additional security for their business over the weekend...and needed it. The hotel to which the bar was attached sustained a couple thousand dollars of damage, and the extra security was well-placed to prevent the bar patrons from enduring anything more than violent and colorful language at the bar entrance.

I could not care less if this was a Shriner's conference or HBCU Spring Break, but two times in our memories, violence has ensued from catering to a specific demographic that found the Oceanfront a great place to loot, vandalize, and partake in a gang mentality detrimental to public safety. I loathe the mentality that justifies any behavior such as this.

So feel free to make your sweeping generalizations about my motives. But experience shows this type of event has been linked to issues with a certain demographic. I wish it were not the case, but such is the case.

So while JF may have made some assumptions that many of would take issue, the fact that incidents took place are not disputed. ANd I would prefer that "business" to take their business elsewhere.

I don't dispute the incidences and I'll never try to justify that behavior. I do take issue with the fact that JF made the statement he did without addressing what he said.

That being said, this sh*t happens across the nation featuring different races and none of them will ever be harped on here. In fact, there are more events that cater to a certain other demographic and they all make a sharp increase in crime--violent or not. You'll never hear vast generalizations about them that affect the entire race. I guess I'm gonna have to post it when they come out.

(04-30-2013 03:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I don't dispute the incidences and I'll never try to justify that behavior. I do take issue with the fact that JF made the statement he did without addressing what he said.

That being said, this sh*t happens across the nation featuring different races and none of them will ever be harped on here. In fact, there are more events that cater to a certain other demographic and they all make a sharp increase in crime--violent or not. You'll never hear vast generalizations about them that affect the entire race. I guess I'm gonna have to post it when they come out.

Obama had a chance to fix the black violence in this country and chickened out.

I could post articles about blacks pulling people out of their cars in the Wisconsin St fair recently, Richmond Virginia closing their mall because of black violence a few years ago, the National Guard being called in b/c NCA&T Black Panthers attacked white commuters in the 70's... ample examples EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Can you post articles of White mobs pulling Black people out of their cars and beating them in the last 30 years? If not, time to face the music - if you keep ignoring the issues facing the black community as Dear Leader O has and pulling out the race card every time someone has the balls to call it like it is, nothing will ever change no matter how much affirmitive action and minority scholarships we give.

But I will give you some credit - denial is the first stage of recovery.

Well this will all go well from this point forward.......

(04-30-2013 05:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 03:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I don't dispute the incidences and I'll never try to justify that behavior. I do take issue with the fact that JF made the statement he did without addressing what he said.

That being said, this sh*t happens across the nation featuring different races and none of them will ever be harped on here. In fact, there are more events that cater to a certain other demographic and they all make a sharp increase in crime--violent or not. You'll never hear vast generalizations about them that affect the entire race. I guess I'm gonna have to post it when they come out.

Obama had a chance to fix the black violence in this country and chickened out.

I could post articles about blacks pulling people out of their cars in the Wisconsin St fair recently, Richmond Virginia closing their mall because of black violence a few years ago, the National Guard being called in b/c NCA&T Black Panthers attacked white commuters in the 70's... ample examples EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Can you post articles of White mobs pulling Black people out of their cars and beating them in the last 30 years? If not, time to face the music - if you keep ignoring the issues facing the black community as Dear Leader O has and pulling out the race card every time someone has the balls to call it like it is, nothing will ever change no matter how much affirmitive action and minority scholarships we give.

But I will give you some credit - denial is the first stage of recovery.

I've never denied that there isn't a problem and I have a history here that says as much. But I refuse to say that it's a black community problem, because there is no such thing. We don't all come from the same place, we don't all know each other, and we certainly don't have control over those we don't know. Even with that being the case, people tell it how it is everyday. No media organization would benefit off of that being known though.

BTW, I've never heard of people referring to bad whites as the 'white community'.

PS. you still haven't addressed what you actually said.

(04-30-2013 05:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Can you post articles of White mobs pulling Black people out of their cars and beating them in the last 30 years?

Here's one.
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/18/us/sev...eyglenking

(04-30-2013 05:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 05:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 03:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I don't dispute the incidences and I'll never try to justify that behavior. I do take issue with the fact that JF made the statement he did without addressing what he said.

That being said, this sh*t happens across the nation featuring different races and none of them will ever be harped on here. In fact, there are more events that cater to a certain other demographic and they all make a sharp increase in crime--violent or not. You'll never hear vast generalizations about them that affect the entire race. I guess I'm gonna have to post it when they come out.

Obama had a chance to fix the black violence in this country and chickened out.

I could post articles about blacks pulling people out of their cars in the Wisconsin St fair recently, Richmond Virginia closing their mall because of black violence a few years ago, the National Guard being called in b/c NCA&T Black Panthers attacked white commuters in the 70's... ample examples EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Can you post articles of White mobs pulling Black people out of their cars and beating them in the last 30 years? If not, time to face the music - if you keep ignoring the issues facing the black community as Dear Leader O has and pulling out the race card every time someone has the balls to call it like it is, nothing will ever change no matter how much affirmitive action and minority scholarships we give.

But I will give you some credit - denial is the first stage of recovery.

I've never denied that there isn't a problem and I have a history here that says as much. But I refuse to say that it's a black community problem, because there is no such thing. We don't all come from the same place, we don't all know each other, and we certainly don't have control over those we don't know. Even with that being the case, people tell it how it is everyday. No media organization would benefit off of that being known though.

BTW, I've never heard of people referring to bad whites as the 'white community'.

PS. you still haven't addressed what you actually said.

1 - they aren't called the white community, you know it as white trash and I have NO PROBLEM admitting they exist. Fortunately, they are dealt with accordingly and don't try to start race riots (like Jesse Jackson, I can provide audio).

2 - to address what I said... if affirmative action or minority scholarships had any effect, wouldn't it have took less than 30 years to change the gangbang mindset? Would Jay-Z still be selling millions of records glorifying the ghetto mentality?

2b - "A mind changed against it's will is of the same mindset still". When the black icon Martin Luther King, Jr. said it all, and 30 years later it's all forgotten by the people who worshipped him to support the war criminal Obama because of his skin color, you can't even begin to tell me that ANY tax payer program to benefit the ghetto serves any basis. Obama is THE example, and end of argument. Please drive thru.

(04-30-2013 09:45 PM)jh Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 05:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Can you post articles of White mobs pulling Black people out of their cars and beating them in the last 30 years?

Here's one.
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/18/us/sev...eyglenking

Good find, but I'd say police are happy to assault anyone of any race. If you can find one where the whites are not police, I will bow out and admit to being a misinformed racist. It just doesn't happen though, so I'm comfortable in my claims.

(04-30-2013 10:42 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 05:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 05:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 03:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I don't dispute the incidences and I'll never try to justify that behavior. I do take issue with the fact that JF made the statement he did without addressing what he said.

That being said, this sh*t happens across the nation featuring different races and none of them will ever be harped on here. In fact, there are more events that cater to a certain other demographic and they all make a sharp increase in crime--violent or not. You'll never hear vast generalizations about them that affect the entire race. I guess I'm gonna have to post it when they come out.

Obama had a chance to fix the black violence in this country and chickened out.

I could post articles about blacks pulling people out of their cars in the Wisconsin St fair recently, Richmond Virginia closing their mall because of black violence a few years ago, the National Guard being called in b/c NCA&T Black Panthers attacked white commuters in the 70's... ample examples EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Can you post articles of White mobs pulling Black people out of their cars and beating them in the last 30 years? If not, time to face the music - if you keep ignoring the issues facing the black community as Dear Leader O has and pulling out the race card every time someone has the balls to call it like it is, nothing will ever change no matter how much affirmitive action and minority scholarships we give.

But I will give you some credit - denial is the first stage of recovery.

I've never denied that there isn't a problem and I have a history here that says as much. But I refuse to say that it's a black community problem, because there is no such thing. We don't all come from the same place, we don't all know each other, and we certainly don't have control over those we don't know. Even with that being the case, people tell it how it is everyday. No media organization would benefit off of that being known though.

BTW, I've never heard of people referring to bad whites as the 'white community'.

PS. you still haven't addressed what you actually said.

1 - they aren't called the white community, you know it as white trash and I have NO PROBLEM admitting they exist. Fortunately, they are dealt with accordingly and don't try to start race riots (like Jesse Jackson, I can provide audio).

See. That term is used to separate them from yourself. That ability is a luxury not shared by all my friend.

2 - to address what I said... if affirmative action or minority scholarships had any effect, wouldn't it have took less than 30 years to change the gangbang mindset? Would Jay-Z still be selling millions of records glorifying the ghetto mentality?

[b]No because fools are fools. You assumed that these people were affirmative action just because they were black. Who's to say that they even go to college. Do you know that you're putting down those who had nothing to do with this? Jay-Z also sells millions of records because white kids buy millions of records.

2b - "A mind changed against it's will is of the same mindset still". When the black icon Martin Luther King, Jr. said it all, and 30 years later it's all forgotten by the people who worshipped him to support the war criminal Obama because of his skin color, you can't even begin to tell me that ANY tax payer program to benefit the ghetto serves any basis. Obama is THE example, and end of argument. Please drive thru.

Wait, what? Obama has nothing to do with your characterization. We can talk bad about him any f*cking day of the week but he isn't the issue here. I'm willing to bet that if any black person is in college anywhere, you'd think the same of him. I understand that you went to Apply today, Accepted tomorrow University (or at least stand for the man who started it) but surely you understand that.

(04-30-2013 11:03 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  [quote='Jerry Falwell' pid='9285145' dateline='1367379753']
[quote='nomad2u2001' pid='9284339' dateline='1367361467']

Wait, what? Obama has nothing to do with your characterization. We can talk bad about him any f*cking day of the week but he isn't the issue here. I'm willing to bet that if any black person is in college anywhere, you'd think the same of him. I understand that you went to Apply today, Accepted tomorrow University (or at least stand for the man who started it) but surely you understand that.

The hell he doesn't... Obama and MLK are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum and you've abandoned one to worship the other.

The University you speak of has 2 black students I personally subsidize, who aren't the kind of people who shoot up a resort community. If you're against "generalizations", why do you support randomly giving people scholarships based on their color - a sweeping generalization?

(04-30-2013 11:15 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 11:03 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  [quote='Jerry Falwell' pid='9285145' dateline='1367379753']
[quote='nomad2u2001' pid='9284339' dateline='1367361467']

Wait, what? Obama has nothing to do with your characterization. We can talk bad about him any f*cking day of the week but he isn't the issue here. I'm willing to bet that if any black person is in college anywhere, you'd think the same of him. I understand that you went to Apply today, Accepted tomorrow University (or at least stand for the man who started it) but surely you understand that.

The hell he doesn't... Obama and MLK are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum and you've abandoned one to worship the other.

The University you speak of has 2 black students I personally subsidize, who aren't the kind of people who shoot up a resort community. If you're against "generalizations", why do you support randomly giving people scholarships based on their color - a sweeping generalization?

But they don't have anything to do with your generalization.

You also generalized in that one word I have in bold. I challenge you to find any message I have on this board after the year 2008 that is in support of Obama. Find it!

Those black students that you subsidize are just two of the millions that wouldn't shoot up a resort community. I also don't support affirmative action, but I'm smart enough to know that people like you won't think any higher of anyone even if it were gone.

(04-30-2013 10:49 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 09:45 PM)jh Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 05:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Can you post articles of White mobs pulling Black people out of their cars and beating them in the last 30 years?

Here's one.
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/18/us/sev...eyglenking

Good find, but I'd say police are happy to assault anyone of any race. If you can find one where the whites are not police, I will bow out and admit to being a misinformed racist. It just doesn't happen though, so I'm comfortable in my claims.

Does getting attacked in McDonalds count? Or does it have to be in a car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pcRpyRnSnc

Here's one where he was pulled from a car, but it's just a bit outside the 30-year timeframe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Turks

White mob kills black man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gri...er_victim)

And another. New York seems to have a problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_Hawkins

Ok, so he hadn't quite gotten into his car yet.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/06/...?hpt=hp_p1

Don't think I buy the extent to this one, but I'll let you decide for yourself.
http://www.zimbio.com/Black+History+Mont...obs+Hunted

Let me give you a little perspective on how bad this actually was since many of you don't seem to know, understand or think it was a big deal.

30-40k African American college kids basically took over the oceanfront this past weekend. They all congregated in nearly the same area and mayhem ensued.

It wasn't just 3 shootings and 3 stabbings, there were many more armed robberies and assaults.

Vacationers who came down with their families were basically trapped in their hotel rooms the entire weekend because if they went outside they would be harassed, subject to drunken idiots, cursing and that's if they were lucky.

Many beach businesses were vandalized, costing store owners thousands of dollars to repair. The negative press involved with this as well as the locals and regulars "staying away" also cost bars and diners a ton of money. The reporting of this news is going to hurt tourism in the area badly.

And don't give me that "whenever you get this many people it goes badly" bullsh.t. The shamrock marathon in va beach draws thousands and thousands of people and oh, guess what, no shootings or stabbings!

What happened was 30-40k African American students gathered in the same area, some idiots started acted dumb, because there were so many people they saw that their were no immediate repercussions and so things escalated worse and worse to the point the riot police had to be called it, as did the mounted police, they peppered sprayed large groups of people and arrested hundreds.

I'm sorry, but that needs to be addressed by the African American community. If you want respect, your young college students need to earn it and not behave like savages.

And again, this doesn't even describe the entire ordeal. The local news channels have done solid reporting. Business owners were trapped in their businesses because if they went outside they would be harassed or worse. Their were multiple armed robberies. Several waitresses were assaulted by young college women and men over the course of the weekend and when the cops were called, no one came because they were busy breaking up mini riots.

I'm sorry, but this was just flat out disgusting.

If this had been a large group of white people assaulting black kids, black store owners and shooting and stabbing people, the entire f.cking world would come down on va beach.

But because it was a bunch of rioting African American minorities, it's swept under the rug for fear of offending any of the race baiters.

F.cking disgusting. The worst part is the cops were completely overpowered and pretty much useless.

One of the shootings actually happened 40 feet away from the police commissioner!!! No bullsh.t, you can look it up, it happened right in front of him and the deputy police commissioner!

This weekend was the single biggest argument that has ever been made for allowing law abiding private citizens to be armed.

This is a HUGE deal and I'm disgusted that some of you are acting like race isn't important in this and this isn't that big of a deal. Pathetic

(05-01-2013 03:55 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  This is a HUGE deal and I'm disgusted that some of you are acting like race isn't important in this and this isn't that big of a deal. Pathetic

Go on (and on and on and on)

(05-01-2013 03:55 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Let me give you a little perspective on how bad this actually was since many of you don't seem to know, understand or think it was a big deal.

30-40k African American college kids basically took over the oceanfront this past weekend. They all congregated in nearly the same area and mayhem ensued.

It wasn't just 3 shootings and 3 stabbings, there were many more armed robberies and assaults.

Vacationers who came down with their families were basically trapped in their hotel rooms the entire weekend because if they went outside they would be harassed, subject to drunken idiots, cursing and that's if they were lucky.

Many beach businesses were vandalized, costing store owners thousands of dollars to repair. The negative press involved with this as well as the locals and regulars "staying away" also cost bars and diners a ton of money. The reporting of this news is going to hurt tourism in the area badly.

And don't give me that "whenever you get this many people it goes badly" bullsh.t. The shamrock marathon in va beach draws thousands and thousands of people and oh, guess what, no shootings or stabbings!

What happened was 30-40k African American students gathered in the same area, some idiots started acted dumb, because there were so many people they saw that their were no immediate repercussions and so things escalated worse and worse to the point the riot police had to be called it, as did the mounted police, they peppered sprayed large groups of people and arrested hundreds.

I'm sorry, but that needs to be addressed by the African American community. If you want respect, your young college students need to earn it and not behave like savages.

And again, this doesn't even describe the entire ordeal. The local news channels have done solid reporting. Business owners were trapped in their businesses because if they went outside they would be harassed or worse. Their were multiple armed robberies. Several waitresses were assaulted by young college women and men over the course of the weekend and when the cops were called, no one came because they were busy breaking up mini riots.

I'm sorry, but this was just flat out disgusting.

If this had been a large group of white people assaulting black kids, black store owners and shooting and stabbing people, the entire f.cking world would come down on va beach.

But because it was a bunch of rioting African American minorities, it's swept under the rug for fear of offending any of the race baiters.

F.cking disgusting. The worst part is the cops were completely overpowered and pretty much useless.

One of the shootings actually happened 40 feet away from the police commissioner!!! No bullsh.t, you can look it up, it happened right in front of him and the deputy police commissioner!

This weekend was the single biggest argument that has ever been made for allowing law abiding private citizens to be armed.

This is a HUGE deal and I'm disgusted that some of you are acting like race isn't important in this and this isn't that big of a deal. Pathetic

I'm actually not pretending like race isn't a big deal. But I take offense at the term 'community'. Do you think we have meetings or something?

If you're angry at the national media for not reporting this, I'm just as angry that they are more invested in not reporting the positives either. You act like there's nobody addressing this and I don't blame you because they don't show it. I see this seriously addressed everyday. But as I've said, we don't all know each other, contrary to popular belief. We can control our idiots as much as you can control yours. Our problem is that we can't separate ourselves from them in the eyes of the masses like you can.

Also, is race not important when people get beat up and shot in Panama City?

(04-30-2013 11:55 PM)jh Wrote:  Does getting attacked in McDonalds count? Or does it have to be in a car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pcRpyRnSnc

Here's one where he was pulled from a car, but it's just a bit outside the 30-year timeframe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Turks

White mob kills black man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Griffith_(manslaughter_victim) not murder

And another. New York seems to have a problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_Hawkins
80's

Ok, so he hadn't quite gotten into his car yet.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/06/...?hpt=hp_p1
Not surprised CNN covered this, but not the 3 shot in VA beach

Don't think I buy the extent to this one, but I'll let you decide for yourself.
http://www.zimbio.com/Black+History+Mont...obs+Hunted
Typical from the left that people defending themselves are portrayed as "mobs of white murderers"

Not to get in a pissing match, but you found 1 since the 80's. Thanks for proving my point, and nice sources BTW. I am a man of my word so I will happily back out of this argument (after some fun facts) since you found one single case of whites attacking a black in 30 years... congrats.

- By the time they are age 20 and 21.4% of black males versus 1.4% of white males will be incarcerated by age 30. (U.S. Department of Justice)

- Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey. (U.S. Department of Justice)

- Young blacks (under 18) are more violent than previous generations and are 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than young whites. (U.S. Department of Justice)

- Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims"

- Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

- According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks. (U.S. Department of Justice)

- When all the crime figures are calculated, it appears that black Americans have committed at least 170 million crimes against white Americans in the past 30 years. It is the great defining disaster of American life and American ideals since World War II.

(05-02-2013 01:23 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Not to get in a pissing match, but you found 1 since the 80's. Thanks for proving my point, and nice sources BTW. I am a man of my word so I will happily back out of this argument (after some fun facts) since you found one single case of whites attacking a black in 30 years... congrats.

That wasn't all you agreed to do. Go on, just admit it.

You apparently aren't very good at math. You keep talking about the last 30 years but then want to ignore incidents that happened during the 80s. Thirty years ago was 1983 (which is why I noted the one from the 80s that didn't count). 1983 to 1993 is 10 years. 1993 to 2003 is 10 years. And 2003 to 2013 is 10 years. 10+10+10=30.

Or counting. Even if you take out the two that counted from the 80s (and I have no problem not counting the Katrina one), there were still two.

You only asked for one. I provided one. You pretended that one didn't count and asked for one more. I provided four. You made up the rules, you established the terms. So quit whining and do what you promised to do.

Wow, I hope we don't have a repeat? It's time for another greekfest. Monday night action?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=101...=2&theater

I can't wait to visit VA Beach.

Oh wait, I can.

Even the cops hold tasers sideways like Ghetto mafia (3:10)

Va Beach is by far and away the worst beach I have been to with respect to riff raff. I'll never go back and I live 30 minutes away.