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RE: JMU to AAC?
The MAC is at 13 football playing members. There has been some message board discussion about forcing UMass to go all athletics
or sign a Grant of Rights. The Sun Belt would be a good alternative for UMass to go to if the MAC forces the issue. Would save UMass a lot of money by going FB only in the SB if all parties agreed. If JMU doesn't want to get off the pot.
04-28-2013 04:30 AM
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RE: JMU to AAC?
I can't see any reason why the AAc would want to add anyone right now that wasn't at the level of a Cinncy or a UConn, and those kind of teams just aren't out there. By the same token, I can't see any reason why anyone would want to join the AAC without a GoR.

(04-28-2013 04:30 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  The MAC is at 13 football playing members. There has been some message board discussion about forcing UMass to go all athletics
or sign a Grant of Rights. The Sun Belt would be a good alternative for UMass to go to if the MAC forces the issue. Would save UMass a lot of money by going FB only in the SB if all parties agreed. If JMU doesn't want to get off the pot.

UMass is perfectly happy right where they are; A-10 and MAC. I don't think they'd have a problem signing a GoR with the MAC, but I doubt they'd be willing to walk from the A-10. Cooler heads will probably prevail, and a hypothetical 14th (JMU?) may very well show up to stabilize the situation.

That being said, the Sun Belt would probably be the fallback position. They've invested too much money to go back to FCS. As a fan, I'd be more than ok with them playing in a conference with App St and G Southern as a consolation prize. UMass spent years chasing them in FCS and never quite caught up. Good programs.
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RE: JMU to AAC?
JMU would be better off in the MAC to start balancing out UMass and Buffalo in the east. They could join for FB only until UMass commits to the MAC for all sports which I doubt happens anytime soon while realignment is still going on. Both of these schools would have a shot at the AAC for all sports if it is raided again. With a few years under their belt at the D1 level in the MAC they would be good additions for regional purposes to keep that conference balanced in the Northeast and Mid Atlantic region for Temple and ECU if UConn and Cinn eventually leave. They would have cheaper traveling costs while playing decent D1 competition while building their programs. If both UMass and JMU join for all sports the MAC easily becomes the number three conference outside the power 5 behind the AAC and MWC. If the AAC goes to 14 teams in the future without UConn and Cinn leaving both would still be good additions to strengthen the AAC NE position down the road providing that the new TV contract 6 years down the road increased enough to make their addition worth while.
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RE: JMU to AAC?
(04-27-2013 10:18 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  
(04-27-2013 07:34 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 09:38 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Dude, show some dignity and quit whoring ODU.

Give me a brake...... all you do is pimp JMU on our board. Like no one here will know you are a JMU a** kisser, you fool NO ONE! Everyone on the ODU board knows.

Post by example and try to Show some dignity and respect for an honest view. You are really funny!

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My JMU participation was on topic and with merit. You on the other hand are slutting ODU around even though we haven't even set foot in our new conference yet. Not only do you lack dignity, you lack respect for CUSA.

On topic.... you did not discuss JMU, you insulted me for having pride in ODU. As always your backhanded compliments and flaming is just to agitate. This is all very typical of all your post. Saying I am "whoring ODU" and "slutting ODU". Wow, and then to say I lack dignity for being proud is ridicules. It is obvious who lacks dignity. Even to say I lack respect for C-USA, again is you attempt to always instigate. I am proud of our move up to C-USA. If you had bothered to see what I posted…. I said in the future. Many things can happen in a few years. Support JMU that is fine. Pretend to be whatever you want. I have grown weary of your post that always spew hate. Be gone!

Have a wonderful day and good luck.

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RE: JMU to AAC?
(04-26-2013 04:57 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 01:30 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  If JMU were a real option, they wouldn't be, it would be ODU.

ODU in the future could bring a lot to the table. The facts:

1). Market Metro area over 1.7 million.
2). Large University 26,000 students
3) Large Corporate Sponsors in area and very supportive of the University
14). ODU Men’s Basketball historically one of the best in the country
15) FANTASTIC GROWTH IN REGION AND AT THE UNIVERSITY. Projected growth (30,000 students by 2020).

You must have different definitions for words than I do. Particularly for terms such as "large," "fantastic growth," and especially "one of the best in the country."

On the other hand, the rest of your comments about fund-raising and attendance are quite impressive for a school playing against D-1AA opponents. It's tough for a school to get that type of support when they're not playing top-notch competition, but ODU's fanbase appears to be quite dedicated.
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RE: JMU to AAC?
(04-28-2013 09:42 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
(04-27-2013 10:18 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  
(04-27-2013 07:34 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 09:38 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Dude, show some dignity and quit whoring ODU.

Give me a brake...... all you do is pimp JMU on our board. Like no one here will know you are a JMU a** kisser, you fool NO ONE! Everyone on the ODU board knows.

Post by example and try to Show some dignity and respect for an honest view. You are really funny!

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My JMU participation was on topic and with merit. You on the other hand are slutting ODU around even though we haven't even set foot in our new conference yet. Not only do you lack dignity, you lack respect for CUSA.

On topic.... you did not discuss JMU, you insulted me for having pride in ODU.

I have grown weary of your post that always spew hate.

Wait, you said I was pimping JMU. Now I was just insulting you instead?

I supported Wilder and Selig for trying to promote JMU to CUSA. Then you said they really didn't want them in the conference and were just being diplomatic. After I proved this was not the case the first time, you continued to antagonize me with your ridicules assumption.

Like I said before, CUSA has bent over backwards to accommodate ODU. It has allowed us to delay our entry into the conference to give our seniors a chance to play for an FCS National Championship It helped with ODU's schedule by setting up a full CUSA slate for us in 2014 and allowed us to play for the conference championship as well.

CUSA may go to 16 and JMU would be a strategic add for ODU. It is the reason our AD, Head Coach and numerous fans are lobbying for their entry. But yeah, I guess your Athletic Director and your Head Football Coach who represent the university that you have so much pride in are pimping JMU too.

By the way, I read your post. The points you made are good and the reason ODU does not need to be pimped. You did forget to mention the fact that the sleeping football giant has risen from the hallowed recruiting grounds of the 757. A region that saw it's native son and 16th pick, EJ Manuel of Florida State added to the list of 757 players in the NFL. Ooops, was I pimping there?
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RE: JMU to AAC?
I am curious as to why adding JMU to CUSA would be so strategic for ODU?
An in state rivalry would be nice, but is one game a year the 'end-all' for either program? We can still have that in-state rivalry with JMU in the MAC or SBC.
Basketball; and non revenue sports? We can play JMU at the same DIV 1 level anytime.
Let's face it, neither of us is Auburn or Alabama.

For CUSA; JMU's very small media market and lack of major local and regional corporate sponsors would make JMU another mouth to feed as an FCS move up in an already large conference - at least in the short term.
This would be problematic indeed if the group of five goes to the 12m revenue cap.

For ODU specifically, there is the question of adding another competitor for statewide recruits if JMU moves up to any conference.
However, and this is the most important issue; if JMU moves up to CUSA, ODU could lose substantial regional television coverage. Every time JMU and ODU football games overlap, a decision would have to be made in markets like Richmond, Roanoke, and NoVa as to which team to carry, when otherwise ODU coverage would be guaranteed.

This was the primary stated reason that UVA fought so hard to keep Virginia Tech out of the ACC.

BTW, you two ODU fans need to back away from the personal attacks. 04-cheers

Oh, and back on topic;
The AAC did not consider ODU or Charlotte. They are certainly not going to add JMU.
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RE: JMU to AAC?
(04-28-2013 07:59 AM)panite Wrote:  JMU would be better off in the MAC to start balancing out UMass and Buffalo in the east. They could join for FB only until UMass commits to the MAC for all sports which I doubt happens anytime soon while realignment is still going on.
The thing about UMass going all-sports is their affiliation agreement allows the MAC to demand they go all-sports or go home two years after Temple leaves. Then Temple left, because the Old Big East came calling, so the MAC lost the Northeast Corridor football games they had been hoping for when they invited UMass, and come July 1 the two years are up.

All the stuff about JMU joining the MAC now hoping for conference realignment to open up a spot in some other conference later ... that suggests one possible reason that the MAC might be considering a GOR. If JMU wants to play those games, it can talk to the Sunbelt about joining FB-only.
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RE: JMU to AAC?
(04-29-2013 09:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-28-2013 07:59 AM)panite Wrote:  JMU would be better off in the MAC to start balancing out UMass and Buffalo in the east. They could join for FB only until UMass commits to the MAC for all sports which I doubt happens anytime soon while realignment is still going on.
The thing about UMass going all-sports is their affiliation agreement allows the MAC to demand they go all-sports or go home two years after Temple leaves. Then Temple left, because the Old Big East came calling, so the MAC lost the Northeast Corridor football games they had been hoping for when they invited UMass, and come July 1 the two years are up.

All the stuff about JMU joining the MAC now hoping for conference realignment to open up a spot in some other conference later ... that suggests one possible reason that the MAC might be considering a GOR. If JMU wants to play those games, it can talk to the Sunbelt about joining FB-only.

+1 Bruce.

The MAC has slowly learned it's lesson and the next addition to the MAC will be signing up for the long-haul. 10+ years to start.

The MAC handed UCF an invitation on a silver platter and UCF took it and ran.
Temple got a good deal, but at least they put them on a 5-year term contract and when that term was up they told Temple they would walk away unless they signed a large buyout. Temple did not want to sign that as it was just 3 months before they joined the Big East and had to of been talking to them and knew they had a high chance of joining and would be flushing the money down the toilet ($5 million to the MAC), but did so anyways as getting dropped from the MAC and then having the Big East invite falling through (Villanova or other reason) would have been too risky.

UMass was given only a 2-year out for the MAC to walk, and The MAC is letting them know they need a decision (probably before July 1).

The MAC has been bad negotiators, but are at least improving. The next team joining will be signing up for the long-haul or not at all. No more football only and no more springboards for the FCS or sick FBS teams (Temple).
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RE: JMU to AAC?
I don't think JMU would have a problem signing a GoR to the MAC. They much speculated "new EC conference" isn't going to happen anytime soon, and that is the only place JMU would hope to go.
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RE: JMU to AAC?
(04-29-2013 09:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 09:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-28-2013 07:59 AM)panite Wrote:  JMU would be better off in the MAC to start balancing out UMass and Buffalo in the east. They could join for FB only until UMass commits to the MAC for all sports which I doubt happens anytime soon while realignment is still going on.
The thing about UMass going all-sports is their affiliation agreement allows the MAC to demand they go all-sports or go home two years after Temple leaves. Then Temple left, because the Old Big East came calling, so the MAC lost the Northeast Corridor football games they had been hoping for when they invited UMass, and come July 1 the two years are up.

All the stuff about JMU joining the MAC now hoping for conference realignment to open up a spot in some other conference later ... that suggests one possible reason that the MAC might be considering a GOR. If JMU wants to play those games, it can talk to the Sunbelt about joining FB-only.

The MAC has been bad negotiators, but are at least improving. The next team joining will be signing up for the long-haul or not at all. No more football only and no more springboards for the FCS or sick FBS teams (Temple).

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