(04-25-2013 12:09 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I want to talk about this:

(04-23-2013 09:19 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The triple option will break your spirit. Get ready.

OK, we all agree that the Power 5 Conferences are typically going to rope in the better recruits, and as such will have the better teams top to bottom over time. The Cartels have made sure of that.

So what did we Go5 Conferences do? We adopted offenses that give teams that aren't as loaded with talent the ability to score on those that are. Primarily, varaiations of the spread, and to a lesser extent the option, are the favorites.

In 2006, Troy hired "mad-hatter" offensive guru Tony Franklin to come in and take complete control of the offense. We went from a power running formation to the 5-wide spread in a matter of months. Using the same players we had recruited for our I formation offense, plus JUCO transfer (SBC Offensive POTY) Omar Haugabook, we became the top offense in the Conference.

I know a lot of Ga Southern fans are used to running all over the competiton, and I suspect they will have decent success at the FBS level once they're settled in.

The problem I see them having is the same one both Ga Tech and the Naval Academy have, they are ball control offenses and don't score a lot of TDs compared to most spread teams.

Last season's Troy vs Navy game I believe is a good indication of how Southern will fare early on in the SBC.





I played the runningback position from 6th grade until I finished my Senior season, so I was always a fan of the running game. And when my Trojans switched over to the spread I was a little hesitant. But the results are hard to argue, the spread works.

I believe it to be not just a superior passing offense than the option, but also a equal running offense to it. Making the Spread the better of the two. Not only can you score quickly and sometimes at will, but you can also run the clock when needed.

So what say you? I suspect Ga Southern fans will respond in mass. Let's keep this civil, I think it can be a strong debate. Any insults or name calling will be removed and dealt with.

I just wanted to make a couple of comments here before I read through 6 pages of comments. I'm sure somewhere in there this has been said, but just incase:

GSU's offense is the: "SPREAD OPTION" so.. it is still the spread and a 5 receiver set.

Also, we score a bunch of Touchdowns. We average almost 40 points per game.

Our problems wont be scoring, it will be "can we score more than you". Dont expect too many low scoring games unless OUR defense steps up. I'm sure there will be few games were our offense sputters, but who has an offense that doesnt do that sometimes?

(04-25-2013 02:11 PM)tyler90wm Wrote:  Speaking of offenses, I just read an article that's pretty relevant; it studied tempo in college football.




Troy and MT were two of the top ten fastest offenses in college football in the last five years.

Link to article

Is this supposed to be some sort of example of how many points that the SBC offenses are going to score on GA Southern?

Is this supposed to tell us something about how tough or great the programs that we are going to face are going to be?

We know the SBC has some good offense. We respect some of them: ULL,ArkSt,Troy etc.

But serioulsy, Anybody else noticing how far down that list that the best FBS conference falls? I just wouldnt put this stat up as any evidence of dominance from the SBC offenses. Also, we score fast at times.

Here is little rule we live by: "He who controls the ground, Controls the Game" & "Control the Clock and you control the game". Fast offenseses can certainly work and control the clock in a way. But those two rules usually go hand in hand. Our style of play usually allows us to be in control. In my experinece the "flying circus" offenses usually fall. You may take less time between snaps, you may take more snaps per game, but all that hast makes waste sometimes. Just as the spread option or 3-O or whatever you want to call it is not unbeatble, neither is your version of "the spread". As has been stated. GSU running our offense is one of the winingest programs in D1 Football History. That could change, I wont believe that unless I see it.

GATA

(04-25-2013 12:17 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  We struggled against it in Atlanta this year, every time our offense got off the field, GT turned it over and the offense had to trudge back out there and score again. Our spirit was definitely broken.

Yea GT wasn't running the TO anywhere close to the efficiency that we were last year. You can ask any Dawg fan that. Which brings up another point, we weren't that great last year, a lot of fans said that it wasn't going to be our year but we still made it to fargo. Idk how we are going to do in 2014 but I wouldn't start thinking we are going to be a easy W because it wont be.

(04-25-2013 05:48 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  We don't run the 3-O? Thats hilarious. You wrote 3 paragraphs of mostly nonsense in an effort to sound smart. What a FAIL.

PJ calls it the spread option.

Is he wrong too?

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(04-25-2013 08:59 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 05:48 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  We don't run the 3-O? Thats hilarious. You wrote 3 paragraphs of mostly nonsense in an effort to sound smart. What a FAIL.

PJ calls it the spread option.

Is he wrong too?

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Why do you always go for the anti gay comeback, when there's no sexual
connotation to anything on this board? That's just weird, man.
And now back to the point, I know what our offense is called, and both PJ's version and Jeff Monken's version are different versions of the triple option. The entire mesh with the fullback read play is all triple option, and it is all we ran when it counted down the stretch last year.
Your statement that we don't really run the triple option is false and misleading. Not even close to being true.

I'm not wasting my time reading every reply, so if this is redundant, oh well !
My response is, just ask ODU,



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That was 25 minutes well spent, cant stand ODUs coach. I see our true problem being stopping the other team and of course, being able to kick the football through the uprights. We were flat out terrible on special teams. Hopefully the new kicker from up north will solve that problem.

(04-25-2013 10:07 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 08:59 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 05:48 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  We don't run the 3-O? Thats hilarious. You wrote 3 paragraphs of mostly nonsense in an effort to sound smart. What a FAIL.

PJ calls it the spread option.

Is he wrong too?

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Why do you always go for the anti gay comeback, when there's no sexual
connotation to anything on this board? That's just weird, man.
And now back to the point, I know what our offense is called, and both PJ's version and Jeff Monken's version are different versions of the triple option. The entire mesh with the fullback read play is all triple option, and it is all we ran when it counted down the stretch last year.
Your statement that we don't really run the triple option is false and misleading. Not even close to being true.

But what about when we run midline option? Or load option? Or speed option? Or counter option? Or zone dive?

We run triple option plays yes. Our offense is not technically called the triple option, it's a spread option offense.

I typically refer to it as the triple option myself with my friends and other Georgia Southern fans, but I think it's important that football fans of other schools understand the beauty of our offense like we do and how much of it is prevalent in college football as a whole. The concepts are the same all over, we just look "different" while doing it.

Whatever. You just wrote three paragraphs and said nothing. Yes we mix in other stuff, but the base of it all is the triple option. Who in the hell would even argue with that? Only you.

(04-25-2013 10:35 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  Whatever. You just wrote three paragraphs and said nothing. Yes we mix in other stuff, but the base of it all is the triple option. Who in the hell would even argue with that? Only you.

What play is the triple option?

This is how I look at the triple option. Its like picking up a girl, dating her for months, taking her out to eat, taking her home, get her naked....and then falling asleep. Great build up and then nothing.

(04-25-2013 10:44 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 10:35 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  Whatever. You just wrote three paragraphs and said nothing. Yes we mix in other stuff, but the base of it all is the triple option. Who in the hell would even argue with that? Only you.

What play is the triple option?

Basically every single play we run out of the flex bone is the triple. What the hell, man. You're a trip if you're going to argue that we don't run the option. Rubes are slipping.

That is a very odd statement, ASUtodd.

I love the App St folks posting in this thread about their "winning record" against Southern and saying stuff like your post.

This is a thread about Georgia Southern's triple option and four of your wins against Southern came during the 5 years running a different offense. So much for APP's success against the "triple option." You had success against us last year after you had faced two other similar teams. How bout that DEFENSIVE effort against Citadel last year. :)

Georgia Southern runs a spread offense that has option plays. We are running a lot of shotgun stuff these days.

I am looking forward to 2014 and GO EAGLES!

(04-25-2013 11:43 PM)SunBelt Watcher Wrote:  That is a very odd statement, ASUtodd.

I love the App St folks posting in this thread about their "winning record" against Southern and saying stuff like your post.

This is a thread about Georgia Southern's triple option and four of your wins against Southern came during the 5 years running a different offense. So much for APP's success against the "triple option." You had success against us last year after you had faced two other similar teams. How bout that DEFENSIVE effort against Citadel last year. :)

Georgia Southern runs a spread offense that has option plays. We are running a lot of shotgun stuff these days.

I am looking forward to 2014 and GO EAGLES!

how much shotgun did we run v. ODU and Ndsu? Not much. Fact is, when the money's on the line, we are a triple option team, through and through.

(04-26-2013 12:09 AM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:43 PM)SunBelt Watcher Wrote:  That is a very odd statement, ASUtodd.

I love the App St folks posting in this thread about their "winning record" against Southern and saying stuff like your post.

This is a thread about Georgia Southern's triple option and four of your wins against Southern came during the 5 years running a different offense. So much for APP's success against the "triple option." You had success against us last year after you had faced two other similar teams. How bout that DEFENSIVE effort against Citadel last year. :)

Georgia Southern runs a spread offense that has option plays. We are running a lot of shotgun stuff these days.

I am looking forward to 2014 and GO EAGLES!

how much shotgun did we run v. ODU and Ndsu? Not much. Fact is, when the money's on the line, we are a triple option team, through and through.

I did not chart plays in those games so I am not sure...... I am sure ODU stunk so bad that we did not have to run anything else against them

I am sure of how much shotgun, hurry up and etc that Southern is migrating to right now. I hate it you were not able to make it down this Spring. It was pretty exciting.

That shotgun crap is all Brent Davis. When we faced good competition, we didn't run much shotgun. Monken knows where we make our money. I didn't chart the plays either obviously, but it certainly seemed to me that we were up under center much more, especially v. Ndsu.

I'm hoping we run even less shotgun this season. The shotgun does far more harm than good. We have two horses that need to be at the LOS where they are absolutely deadly. Swope is a hammer on the dive under center. The dive does not work in the gun

Would love to see the percentage of plays under center and in the gum in the playoffs.

Some don't like running things from the shotgun as much for a couple of reasons, and rightfully so (at the moment). 1. We just don't seem to execute as well overall. It's obvious when you see the play from the gun, comparing with the plays from under center etc. where we are more comfortable at the moment. 2. We don't have a legitimate pass threat. I'm not saying that the gun necessarily implies "pass", defenses aren't THAT dumb, but it does allow for a little more time in many cases to make such a thing happen.

Though it wasn't used through and through, go back and look at last years playoff game vs NDSU. Some of the most critical conversion plays that we had were pass plays out of the shotgun. Also notice who was throwing the ball most of the time, at least in that game.

From what I've heard from some that have been in conversation with the coaching staff...we're going to be seeing some changes. The extent of those changes I guess remains to be seen, but still...execution overall is the main argument from our fans against the gun, but as with anything else...execution improves with practice....so expect to see more of it down the line...or at least that's what I'm expecting anyway.

(04-26-2013 07:19 AM)6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern Wrote:  Some don't like running things from the shotgun as much for a couple of reasons, and rightfully so (at the moment). 1. We just don't seem to execute as well overall. It's obvious when you see the play from the gun, comparing with the plays from under center etc. where we are more comfortable at the moment. 2. We don't have a legitimate pass threat. I'm not saying that the gun necessarily implies "pass", defenses aren't THAT dumb, but it does allow for a little more time in many cases to make such a thing happen.

Though it wasn't used through and through, go back and look at last years playoff game vs NDSU. Some of the most critical conversion plays that we had were pass plays out of the shotgun. Also notice who was throwing the ball most of the time, at least in that game.

From what I've heard from some that have been in conversation with the coaching staff...we're going to be seeing some changes. The extent of those changes I guess remains to be seen, but still...execution overall is the main argument from our fans against the gun, but as with anything else...execution improves with practice....so expect to see more of it down the line...or at least that's what I'm expecting anyway.

The offensive success of this league has been accomplished by variations of the spread formation and the tactics and strategies that go along with that. Do not think that you will recruit the players to run the option at the FB$ level, they'll have to be made by the S&C coaches and that takes time. Your success will come from a spread philosophy. The only two teams that had a modicum of winning with a pro-style offense (other than spread) was FAU and WKU. And it took several years for them to establish those offenses. Hopefully, you guys will have more success coming in than the hilltoppers did.

(04-26-2013 07:36 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:19 AM)6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern Wrote:  Some don't like running things from the shotgun as much for a couple of reasons, and rightfully so (at the moment). 1. We just don't seem to execute as well overall. It's obvious when you see the play from the gun, comparing with the plays from under center etc. where we are more comfortable at the moment. 2. We don't have a legitimate pass threat. I'm not saying that the gun necessarily implies "pass", defenses aren't THAT dumb, but it does allow for a little more time in many cases to make such a thing happen.

Though it wasn't used through and through, go back and look at last years playoff game vs NDSU. Some of the most critical conversion plays that we had were pass plays out of the shotgun. Also notice who was throwing the ball most of the time, at least in that game.

From what I've heard from some that have been in conversation with the coaching staff...we're going to be seeing some changes. The extent of those changes I guess remains to be seen, but still...execution overall is the main argument from our fans against the gun, but as with anything else...execution improves with practice....so expect to see more of it down the line...or at least that's what I'm expecting anyway.

The offensive success of this league has been accomplished by variations of the spread formation and the tactics and strategies that go along with that. Do not think that you will recruit the players to run the option at the FB$ level, they'll have to be made by the S&C coaches and that takes time. Your success will come from a spread philosophy. The only two teams that had a modicum of winning with a pro-style offense (other than spread) was FAU and WKU. And it took several years for them to establish those offenses. Hopefully, you guys will have more success coming in than the hilltoppers did.

I don't disagree with what you're saying necessarily. I'm all for changes (so long as it isn't for the sake of change itself, but because it is needed or for strategic reasons), but I'm not for a complete overhaul of our style....but I don't think that's the case anyway. We've been down that road, and saw the negative effects in more ways than one, not just the Wins and Losses column. Our staff in and of itself is all about the "style" of Georgia Southern. As far as recruiting players for the option, you're right....but in many ways that is the case that it is now. I've always viewed that as an actual advantage in many cases to having an option based offensive scheme. With so many others, everyone is after the best reciever, the best ___ (fill in the blank), but as long as a player is athletic, willing to work hard and learn, you can mold a player to fit this style...and he can be a great asset without being the "tallest" etc. I like our chances overall to be successful, and from what I'm hearing about the changes being implemented, it's pretty exciting to think about if we can get our execution across the board where it needs to be. We will see. GO EAGLES!