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(04-26-2013 10:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  Personal attacks indicate you really have nothing to say and just don't want to hear anything that doesn't agree with your own pre-conceived notions. There's no figures I've posted that haven't been linked on this board before.

I'm not personally attacking you. You don't know what tier 3 is. You're just quoting a bunch of made up jargon started by bloggers you've read for the past 12 months. Just because it was linked doesn't mean anything. How many links have we seen that were full of gibberish especially concerning media contracts or conference expansion?
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(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  
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(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.


WV's media deal isnt as large as folks think according to this article


WV Meda Deal


While Payne has said he had no role in the negotiations, he told some media outlets that WVU would make $5 million a year under the pending contract with IMG. An attorney for the university later said the board had been briefed about the general financial details of the deal after the letter of intent was signed.
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(04-26-2013 12:19 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 11:49 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  In case you missed the memo, WVU's market reaches more than just the State of West Virginia. It reaches into eastern OH, including Cleveland, western PA, including Pittsburgh, western MD and northwestern VA, as far east as Baltimore and DC...
It's funny, WVU's TV market, according to WVU fans, is virtually the entire eastern seaboard, while Louisville's market is, well, just Louisville, according to WVU fans. You guys are so brainwashed it's not even funny anymore, it's just sad. Last summer we got to hear all about it.

What's interesting is how WVU has this self proclaimed nationwide fanbase and everybody and their brother supposedly watches all of WVU's games, and yet they had slightly lower ratings in football last season than Louisville despite playing considerably better teams on considerably better time slots throughout the season. Basketball ratings weren't even remotely close. Just goes to show you how dumb and gullible your fanbase really is when a blogger like The Dude or mvheer3 can convince you guys you're the best in everything and you actually believe it. Can't wait to see how the ratings compare in 2014 when we finally have some decent teams on our schedule.

WVU barely had better ratings than Louisville in 2011 despite playing LSU on a prime time Saturday night game broadcast nationally and playing in a BCS bowl. We played 0 Saturday night games and played in a December bowl.

Interested to hear how you spin this one.
I've never knocked UofL, which Maize and several other Card fans will verify. I only get these juvenile comments about how WVU fans dis Louisville from you. Why do you figure that is?

Are you so insecure that you have to irritate everyone associated with WVU to cover your penile insecurities?
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I can vouche...bit is alright.
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I lurk this board all the time, and it has more than a fair share of people just looking to be jerks and argue all the time about anything possible. Bit isn't one of them. Not by the longest shot of that long rifle the eer is carrying in his sig.
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(04-26-2013 12:10 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  That is correct Bit. We have West Virginia folk, living in Louisville. They are just like most children born in Appalachian Mountain Range in Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky. Most have to move to other states to find good employment. Case and point you live in Knoxville. Louisville has a huge population of Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia born people, as does Indy and Cincinnati. 04-cheers

Same thing happens with NCSU. They don't all stay in the Research triangle and its a bigger school.
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(04-26-2013 12:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 07:42 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.


WV's media deal isnt as large as folks think according to this article


WV Meda Deal


While Payne has said he had no role in the negotiations, he told some media outlets that WVU would make $5 million a year under the pending contract with IMG. An attorney for the university later said the board had been briefed about the general financial details of the deal after the letter of intent was signed.

Rather than an offhand remark, the actual contract was announced in detail and it was $110 million over 12 years. I'm not going to look it up again, but its been posted on this board (several times I believe). They've got some issues with the bidding process and are re-looking at it, but the number is $9 million. People think Payne was referring to $5 million more.
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(04-26-2013 10:54 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 10:16 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 07:42 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.

That was in reference to UNC's contract which was signed in 2002 and extended in 2008. NCSU signed their last March for about 5 mil which is good for a mediocre football program. WV will and should get more than that. The point of this is about the conference not individual schools. Outside of Texas, it's roughly the same.

I think the UK, KU and UNC figures indicate there is a lot of Tier 3 value in basketball schools. UK was one of the 3 making the most in the SEC. KU led the Big 12 until the recent Texas deals.

There is and since basketball in the ACC is far superior to basketball in the Big 12 it evens out when you add in football as the Big 12 is stronger for now..

Basketball is not "far superior." NCAA credits (which is a 5 year history) are basically even per school between the two conferences. Historically ACC is stronger, but not that much. The question is how much is generated beyond the KU/UK/UNC level of school. Duke, is of course, at that level, but being a small private instead of a large state school, do they generate similar value? They aren't right now.
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(04-28-2013 01:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 10:54 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 10:16 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.

That was in reference to UNC's contract which was signed in 2002 and extended in 2008. NCSU signed their last March for about 5 mil which is good for a mediocre football program. WV will and should get more than that. The point of this is about the conference not individual schools. Outside of Texas, it's roughly the same.

I think the UK, KU and UNC figures indicate there is a lot of Tier 3 value in basketball schools. UK was one of the 3 making the most in the SEC. KU led the Big 12 until the recent Texas deals.

There is and since basketball in the ACC is far superior to basketball in the Big 12 it evens out when you add in football as the Big 12 is stronger for now..

Basketball is not "far superior." NCAA credits (which is a 5 year history) are basically even per school between the two conferences. Historically ACC is stronger, but not that much. The question is how much is generated beyond the KU/UK/UNC level of school. Duke, is of course, at that level, but being a small private instead of a large state school, do they generate similar value? They aren't right now.

The last few years this is correct. The leagues have been similar for credits. However, going forward the ACC will have UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse at the top. 4 programs that can win the title year in and year out. Big 12 only has Kansas. Then you move to the second tier in the ACC where Pitt, ND, FSU, UVA, NC St reside. The ACC should get 7-9 bids every year with 1-2 teams making the Final Four. This is why the ACC will be far superior.
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it's actually 6 years....

next 3 years, the Big 12 is ahead of the ACC. A couple of really strong tourney years from 2008-2010 the reason. However last 3 years, the Big 12 has cooled off considerably- last 3 years ACC leads 33-32(prior 3 years it was Big 12 leading 49-37.

Big 12 does have a number of schools who have had long tourney runs recently. Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas, West Virginia, Baylor.

ACC will be stronger, but they have to be like an AVERAGE of 5 units stronger a year for all 6 years just to make the same amount of money per year per school as the Big 12 does. That's going to be tough. Like next year- Big 12 has 83 units(20.75 million) to the ACC's 74 units(18.5 million). Per school, Big 12 2.08 million, ACC 1.23 mil.
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That's definitely doable. Over the next 5 years, you'll probably see a couple of years where multiple ACC teams make the Final Four. I would envision the ACC averaging between 15 to 20 credits a year normally, and then the crazy years where there's 25 credits.
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(04-28-2013 01:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 12:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 07:42 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.
Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.
NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.
WV's media deal isnt as large as folks think according to this article

WV Meda Deal

While Payne has said he had no role in the negotiations, he told some media outlets that WVU would make $5 million a year under the pending contract with IMG. An attorney for the university later said the board had been briefed about the general financial details of the deal after the letter of intent was signed.
Rather than an offhand remark, the actual contract was announced in detail and it was $110 million over 12 years. I'm not going to look it up again, but its been posted on this board (several times I believe). They've got some issues with the bidding process and are re-looking at it, but the number is $9 million. People think Payne was referring to $5 million more.
Since the deal with IMG has been rescinded, and is currently being rebid (so we think), WVU's income from the tier 3 deal is open to question at the moment. Although if it were up to me, I'd just give the deal to IMG, since they already hold the tier 3 rights to most B12 schools already, and under the terms of WVU's tier 3 rights WVU doesn't have to bid them out. They can legally award the contract to whoever they wish...

However, the bidding process was flawed, due to inside information being given to interested parties, which is why the deal is being redone at the moment. IMO WVU will probably end up with a bit more money now, due to this delay. But that too is open to question...
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