(04-25-2013 03:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:26 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Thing is even if the money is 21 mil for ACC and 19.7 for Big 12-
when you add the playoff money Big 12 passes the ACC. Only having to split that 10 ways rather than 14 is HUGE. Esp. in years where the Orange slot goes SEC or Big Ten.

And when you add NCAA Tournament Credits, the ACC blows away the B12.

Then add an ACC Network.

not really. ACC is around 80 units while the Big 12 is around 60 units. ACC 20 million/15 schools, Big Ten 15 million/10 schools. So, per school, Big 12 even now gets more than the ACC. That's the killer for the ACC when compared to the Big 12.

Nothing like 90 million for 10 schools or 9 mil per school vs 77.5 million for 14 schools or 5.5 mil per school.

so tv plus football-
B12 19.7+9=28.7 mil (plus tier 3 money)
ACC 21+5.5=26.5 mil

ACC network is the new pie in the sky for you guys...

oh the tier 3 money. What about the ACC tier 3 money? You do know that the ACC schools still sell their Radio, Internet, etc too don't you?

They've already sold that (for example ncsu $4.9 million deal late last year). They sold their TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. So its pie in the sky to make a lot more money off something you have already sold.

The Acc probably will have to buy back some of their tv inventory, just like the SEC had to do.

(04-25-2013 03:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Thing is even if the money is 21 mil for ACC and 19.7 for Big 12-
when you add the playoff money Big 12 passes the ACC. Only having to split that 10 ways rather than 14 is HUGE. Esp. in years where the Orange slot goes SEC or Big Ten.

And when you add NCAA Tournament Credits, the ACC blows away the B12.

Then add an ACC Network.

ACC doesn't blow the Big 12 away in tournament credits. B12 has done pretty well in recent years. ACC has been down.

Just wait until Syracuse ,Louisville, Pitt and ND come into the league.

(04-25-2013 06:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:19 PM)krux Wrote:  He's a UK fan. What did you expect? Reason and logic?

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I read the WV board during their, "we're going to the SEC phase." I was amazed reading the UL board to see another fan base could be more delusional.

I just don't understand why the ACC people are STILL so defensive. They've got nothing to worry about for another dozen years. And in a dozen years, the SEC or B1G could be at risk.

Are you calling an UofL poster "ACC people"? If so, say it again! I Love it and I'm grateful and I Love to hear it over and over again!

(04-25-2013 06:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:26 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  And when you add NCAA Tournament Credits, the ACC blows away the B12.

Then add an ACC Network.

not really. ACC is around 80 units while the Big 12 is around 60 units. ACC 20 million/15 schools, Big Ten 15 million/10 schools. So, per school, Big 12 even now gets more than the ACC. That's the killer for the ACC when compared to the Big 12.

Nothing like 90 million for 10 schools or 9 mil per school vs 77.5 million for 14 schools or 5.5 mil per school.

so tv plus football-
B12 19.7+9=28.7 mil (plus tier 3 money)
ACC 21+5.5=26.5 mil

ACC network is the new pie in the sky for you guys...

oh the tier 3 money. What about the ACC tier 3 money? You do know that the ACC schools still sell their Radio, Internet, etc too don't you?

They've already sold that (for example ncsu $4.9 million deal late last year). They sold their TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. So its pie in the sky to make a lot more money off something you have already sold.

The Acc probably will have to buy back some of their tv inventory, just like the SEC had to do.

the ACC won't have to buy any inventory for it's network. Raycom basically operates the same way any school's radio/multi- media partner. they promise you a up front fee, handles sales & building a network of stations to sell ads, sponsorships etc. Raycom could either have a small ownership position or just be contracted to handle production. the main difference is they would either reduce or elinminate the up front fee they pay & games would appear on a dedicated network instead of multiple stations across the foot print or RSN's

I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

(04-25-2013 07:17 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:26 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  not really. ACC is around 80 units while the Big 12 is around 60 units. ACC 20 million/15 schools, Big Ten 15 million/10 schools. So, per school, Big 12 even now gets more than the ACC. That's the killer for the ACC when compared to the Big 12.

Nothing like 90 million for 10 schools or 9 mil per school vs 77.5 million for 14 schools or 5.5 mil per school.

so tv plus football-
B12 19.7+9=28.7 mil (plus tier 3 money)
ACC 21+5.5=26.5 mil

ACC network is the new pie in the sky for you guys...

oh the tier 3 money. What about the ACC tier 3 money? You do know that the ACC schools still sell their Radio, Internet, etc too don't you?

They've already sold that (for example ncsu $4.9 million deal late last year). They sold their TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. So its pie in the sky to make a lot more money off something you have already sold.

The Acc probably will have to buy back some of their tv inventory, just like the SEC had to do.

the ACC won't have to buy any inventory for it's network. Raycom basically operates the same way any school's radio/multi- media partner. they promise you a up front fee, handles sales & building a network of stations to sell ads, sponsorships etc. Raycom could either have a small ownership position or just be contracted to handle production. the main difference is they would either reduce or elinminate the up front fee they pay & games would appear on a dedicated network instead of multiple stations across the foot print or RSN's

OK. That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

(04-25-2013 07:48 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 07:17 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:26 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  oh the tier 3 money. What about the ACC tier 3 money? You do know that the ACC schools still sell their Radio, Internet, etc too don't you?

They've already sold that (for example ncsu $4.9 million deal late last year). They sold their TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. So its pie in the sky to make a lot more money off something you have already sold.

The Acc probably will have to buy back some of their tv inventory, just like the SEC had to do.

the ACC won't have to buy any inventory for it's network. Raycom basically operates the same way any school's radio/multi- media partner. they promise you a up front fee, handles sales & building a network of stations to sell ads, sponsorships etc. Raycom could either have a small ownership position or just be contracted to handle production. the main difference is they would either reduce or elinminate the up front fee they pay & games would appear on a dedicated network instead of multiple stations across the foot print or RSN's

OK. That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

Wait, does the ACC have any influence on Raycom? Is there any relationship that the ACC has with Raycom to suggest that they would work with the ACC in order to build this Network? If only Swofford had someone at Raycom that he could trust and lend the ACC an ear! I hope Swofford can build some type of "personal" relationship with someone within Raycom! Oh well! Let's hope for the best!

(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

The SEC just bought back all their tier 3 TV rights for a whopping $1M per team.

Those TV rights are not the most valuable part of tier 3, without a conference network.

(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Because you don't have a clue what tier 3 rights are. More made up stuff from big 12 bloggers

(04-26-2013 07:42 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.

(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:42 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.

That was in reference to UNC's contract which was signed in 2002 and extended in 2008. NCSU signed their last March for about 5 mil which is good for a mediocre football program. WV will and should get more than that. The point of this is about the conference not individual schools. Outside of Texas, it's roughly the same.

(04-26-2013 10:16 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:42 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.

That was in reference to UNC's contract which was signed in 2002 and extended in 2008. NCSU signed their last March for about 5 mil which is good for a mediocre football program. WV will and should get more than that. The point of this is about the conference not individual schools. Outside of Texas, it's roughly the same.

Tier 3 is more local. WV should generate more value for Tier I and II, but with 1.8 million people, IMO shouldn't get more for Tier 3 than NCSU in a much larger state with a larger alumni base. The TV is a big part of that $4.1 million difference. Impossible for us to know how much more, but it is definitely a part.

Personal attacks indicate you really have nothing to say and just don't want to hear anything that doesn't agree with your own pre-conceived notions. There's no figures I've posted that haven't been linked on this board before.

(04-26-2013 10:16 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:42 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 07:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I wish people would quit quoting the whole "tier 3" money for the Big 12. ACC teams have separate deals too. UNC makes more on theirs than everyone in the Big 12 except Texas.

The difference maker is the network. ACC will have one. Big 12 will not.

Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.

That was in reference to UNC's contract which was signed in 2002 and extended in 2008. NCSU signed their last March for about 5 mil which is good for a mediocre football program. WV will and should get more than that. The point of this is about the conference not individual schools. Outside of Texas, it's roughly the same.

I think the UK, KU and UNC figures indicate there is a lot of Tier 3 value in basketball schools. UK was one of the 3 making the most in the SEC. KU led the Big 12 until the recent Texas deals.

(04-26-2013 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 10:16 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:42 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.

That was in reference to UNC's contract which was signed in 2002 and extended in 2008. NCSU signed their last March for about 5 mil which is good for a mediocre football program. WV will and should get more than that. The point of this is about the conference not individual schools. Outside of Texas, it's roughly the same.

I think the UK, KU and UNC figures indicate there is a lot of Tier 3 value in basketball schools. UK was one of the 3 making the most in the SEC. KU led the Big 12 until the recent Texas deals.

There is and since basketball in the ACC is far superior to basketball in the Big 12 it evens out when you add in football as the Big 12 is stronger for now..

(04-26-2013 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 10:16 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:42 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  Because you don't like the answers?

NCSU makes $4.9 million. A few months later West Virginia signed a deal for $9.0 million. OU will be making more than UNC who's around $11 million. OU will be around $14.5 million.

ACC has already sold all their Tier 3 TV rights to ESPN/Raycom. There's minimal additional revenue for starting a network for things you don't own. The Big 12 schools are selling their TV rights individually. TCU, Baylor, Tech, OSU, KSU and OU sold them to Fox for a defacto Big 12 network on Fox Sports Southwest who has lost several contracts they used to have with pro teams. ISU and Texas have individual networks. WVU is in process. The only $ revealed have been OU who got $58 million over 10 years from Fox + an additional $1-2 million from their existing $7.5 million Tier 3 and Texas who got $300 million over 20 years (15% going to their existing Tier 3 rights holder) on top of their existing $10 million Tier 3.

Those are old contracts and WV just signed one. Just wait until schools renew which are coming up in the next few years. Tier 3 money differences are minimal and not every Big 12 team has deals. Texas makes more than EVERYONE. You can't even include them in the comparison. Furthermore, their LHN isn't doing too well. ESPN can pull the plug if they feel it's not profitable. After you boil it all down, the difference maker is conference networks. It's a significant revenue stream that can grow over time. ACC is also the leader on the digital platform which is the future. Just wait until they start monetizing that too. The ACC will have a cable channel and digital subscriptions. There's a very good reason why they all stayed together.

NCSU signed theirs just a few months before WVU.

That was in reference to UNC's contract which was signed in 2002 and extended in 2008. NCSU signed their last March for about 5 mil which is good for a mediocre football program. WV will and should get more than that. The point of this is about the conference not individual schools. Outside of Texas, it's roughly the same.

Tier 3 is more local. WV should generate more value for Tier I and II, but with 1.8 million people, IMO shouldn't get more for Tier 3 than NCSU in a much larger state with a larger alumni base. The TV is a big part of that $4.1 million difference. Impossible for us to know how much more, but it is definitely a part.

In case you missed the memo, WVU's market reaches more than just the State of West Virginia. It reaches into eastern OH, including Cleveland, western PA, including Pittsburgh, western MD and northwestern VA, as far east as Baltimore and DC...

That is correct Bit. We have West Virginia folk, living in Louisville. They are just like most children born in Appalachian Mountain Range in Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky. Most have to move to other states to find good employment. Case and point you live in Knoxville. Louisville has a huge population of Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia born people, as does Indy and Cincinnati.

(04-26-2013 11:49 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  In case you missed the memo, WVU's market reaches more than just the State of West Virginia. It reaches into eastern OH, including Cleveland, western PA, including Pittsburgh, western MD and northwestern VA, as far east as Baltimore and DC...

It's funny, WVU's TV market, according to WVU fans, is virtually the entire eastern seaboard, while Louisville's market is, well, just Louisville, according to WVU fans. You guys are so brainwashed it's not even funny anymore, it's just sad. Last summer we got to hear all about it.

What's interesting is how WVU has this self proclaimed nationwide fanbase and everybody and their brother supposedly watches all of WVU's games, and yet they had slightly lower ratings in football last season than Louisville despite playing considerably better teams on considerably better time slots throughout the season. Basketball ratings weren't even remotely close. Just goes to show you how dumb and gullible your fanbase really is when a blogger like The Dude or mvheer3 can convince you guys you're the best in everything and you actually believe it. Can't wait to see how the ratings compare in 2014 when we finally have some decent teams on our schedule.

WVU barely had better ratings than Louisville in 2011 despite playing LSU on a prime time Saturday night game broadcast nationally and playing in a BCS bowl. We played 0 Saturday night games and played in a December bowl.

Interested to hear how you spin this one.