The team you play twice is your "rival". FIU/FAU, MTSU/WKU, ULL/ULM, Troy/USA ... That is the reasoning behind who you play that extra series against.

(04-24-2013 05:36 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  This round goes to Skully.

Yep, especially when its about something you girls want to complain about.

(04-24-2013 06:21 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  The team you play twice is your "rival". FIU/FAU, MTSU/WKU, ULL/ULM, Troy/USA ... That is the reasoning behind who you play that extra series against.

Wait, don't try to explain it to him. It doesn't matter.

(04-24-2013 06:22 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 05:36 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  This round goes to Skully.

Yep, especially when its about something you girls want to complain about.

Lets not get into all the mess ULL Fans wants to cry about...

(04-24-2013 06:22 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 05:36 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  This round goes to Skully.

Yep, especially when its about something you girls want to complain about.

For you to be calling me a girl, you sure are the one all up on my jock because I voiced an opinion different than yours.

(04-24-2013 06:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  They reason we play one team twice is to maintain an even balance of home and road games for league teams. If we only played everyone once, Every year some teams would have three fewer league home games than other teams. The coaches didn't like that, and it makes sense especially in a league as competitive as the SBC, so they made the switch. As many have said, the coaches decide the baseball schedule, so if you have a problem with it, you should ask your head coach.

When I was in Bowling Green last year, the WKU coach sat a couple rows behind me to watch a game. He was forced to cheer for South Alabama to win a game to keep his team's season alive., I turned and told him that the format was ridiculous and needed changing. His response was "we're changing it back to double elimination next year," Three weeks later, the change was announced. Coaches have almost the entire say in baseball scheduling.

My understanding is the format will be the same next year, with Georgia State playing WKU twice, and UTA playing Texas State twice. It will change in time for App and Ga Southern to join the league.

Is this really that big of a deal? One year you have 5 home and 6 away series, the next year it's reversed. Seems a little petty to me. It wouldn't be like the same teams would always have the advantage.

Teams can always schedule other series to get more home games. We regularly have 27-30+ home games in a 52-56 game season.
Fact is, one of our best attended (and w/l record) series is against Houston and even that we alternate H/H. We host a tournament so that's 3 more home games. We also get another team (ND, Penn St, Purdue, etc.) So, even in a season where we got the short end of the conference schedule we still would have 7-9 home stands....along with H/H weekday games with B12 teams.

Would be interested in how the SoCon did their scheduling because the SBC is going to have input from UTA, TXST, App and GaSouth coaches, going forward.

If they want 5 home series and 5 away series can't we still accomplish this by rotating the opponent we play twice?

(04-24-2013 06:30 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  They reason we play one team twice is to maintain an even balance of home and road games for league teams. If we only played everyone once, Every year some teams would have three fewer league home games than other teams. The coaches didn't like that, and it makes sense especially in a league as competitive as the SBC, so they made the switch. As many have said, the coaches decide the baseball schedule, so if you have a problem with it, you should ask your head coach.

When I was in Bowling Green last year, the WKU coach sat a couple rows behind me to watch a game. He was forced to cheer for South Alabama to win a game to keep his team's season alive., I turned and told him that the format was ridiculous and needed changing. His response was "we're changing it back to double elimination next year," Three weeks later, the change was announced. Coaches have almost the entire say in baseball scheduling.

My understanding is the format will be the same next year, with Georgia State playing WKU twice, and UTA playing Texas State twice. It will change in time for App and Ga Southern to join the league.

Is this really that big of a deal? One year you have 5 home and 6 away series, the next year it's reversed. Seems a little petty to me. It wouldn't be like the same teams would always have the advantage.

Teams can always schedule other series to get more home games. We regularly have 27-30+ home games in a 52-56 game season.
Fact is, one of our best attended (and w/l record) series is against Houston and even that we alternate H/H. We host a tournament so that's 3 more home games. We also get another team (ND, Penn St, Purdue, etc.) So, even in a season where we got the short end of the conference schedule we still would have 7-9 home stands....along with H/H weekday games with B12 teams.

Would be interested in how the SoCon did their scheduling because the SBC is going to have input from UTA, TXST, App and GaSouth coaches, going forward.

For some of our schools its a very big deal. The other thing is that there is no guarantee that you would get 5 one year and 4 the other. Conference schedule often has teams playing someone on the road back to back years. ASU will play at Troy and at ULL this year for the second consecutive year. You can almost guarantee that someone would get stuck playing 4 home series 2 years in a row.

(04-24-2013 06:35 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  If they want 5 home series and 5 away series can't we still accomplish this by rotating the opponent we play twice?

What if it was rotated and you end up with Troy twice and the Cajuns drew ULM twice? Regardless, the scheduling would happen before the season starts (maybe even a couple of seasons in advance) so you would not know who would be good or bad that year.

I think playing teams twice is stupid to begin with but meh.

That said, I disagree that USA or Troy are at a complete disadvantage. Look at ULM's RPI and tell me you'd prefer to play that twice instead of Troy or USA's.

I get it helps with tourney seeding but its not like its not a double-edged sword.

Theoretically ASU should have everything to complain about because we have to play UALR and their RPI 6 times, but its a fair trade for tourney seed in our case.

(04-24-2013 06:50 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  That said, I disagree that USA or Troy are at a complete disadvantage. Look at ULM's RPI and tell me you'd prefer to play that twice instead of Troy or USA's.

I get it helps with tourney seeding but its not like its not a double-edged sword.

+1

(04-24-2013 04:00 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Agreed, but to continue to complain about it when the coaches agreed to it is also pointless.

If that is the argument, then we should never have a college football playoff because someone voted for the BCS.

(04-24-2013 04:26 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  If it was so easy to fix they wouldn't have done it in the first place. Trying to find non-conference games in the middle of the conference play is not an easy thing to do.

Dude, teams play non-conference throughout the whole season. We played Sam Houston yesterday and Little Rock today. If it is that big of a deal, then start the conference season one week later and have a non-conference series or tourney instead. The WAC can do it with 10 teams, so can the SBC.

(04-24-2013 07:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 04:00 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Agreed, but to continue to complain about it when the coaches agreed to it is also pointless.

If that is the argument, then we should never have a college football playoff because someone voted for the BCS.

(04-24-2013 04:26 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  If it was so easy to fix they wouldn't have done it in the first place. Trying to find non-conference games in the middle of the conference play is not an easy thing to do.

Dude, teams play non-conference throughout the whole season. We played Sam Houston yesterday and Little Rock today. If it is that big of a deal, then start the conference season one week later and have a non-conference series or tourney instead. The WAC can do it with 10 teams, so can the SBC.

He is talking about weekend nonconference. Those games are much harder to find...

(04-24-2013 07:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 07:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 04:00 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Agreed, but to continue to complain about it when the coaches agreed to it is also pointless.

If that is the argument, then we should never have a college football playoff because someone voted for the BCS.

(04-24-2013 04:26 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  If it was so easy to fix they wouldn't have done it in the first place. Trying to find non-conference games in the middle of the conference play is not an easy thing to do.

Dude, teams play non-conference throughout the whole season. We played Sam Houston yesterday and Little Rock today. If it is that big of a deal, then start the conference season one week later and have a non-conference series or tourney instead. The WAC can do it with 10 teams, so can the SBC.

He is talking about weekend nonconference. Those games are much harder to find...

Go after northern teams early. They'll travel because it's still too cold (or frozen) playing at home.

FWIW - we are playing UTA away for the 3rd yr in a row due to conference shufflings. It's a pain (because we never seem to beat them at their place) but I'm not complaining.

Until we both announced our moves (along with other teams coming and going) there was never a problem scheduling h/a series in alternate years.

If the SLC can do it, the SBC should be able to figure it out.

(04-24-2013 07:37 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 07:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 07:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 04:00 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Agreed, but to continue to complain about it when the coaches agreed to it is also pointless.

If that is the argument, then we should never have a college football playoff because someone voted for the BCS.

(04-24-2013 04:26 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  If it was so easy to fix they wouldn't have done it in the first place. Trying to find non-conference games in the middle of the conference play is not an easy thing to do.

Dude, teams play non-conference throughout the whole season. We played Sam Houston yesterday and Little Rock today. If it is that big of a deal, then start the conference season one week later and have a non-conference series or tourney instead. The WAC can do it with 10 teams, so can the SBC.

He is talking about weekend nonconference. Those games are much harder to find...

Go after northern teams early. They'll travel because it's still too cold (or frozen) playing at home.

FWIW - we are playing UTA away for the 3rd yr in a row due to conference shufflings. It's a pain (because we never seem to beat them at their place) but I'm not complaining.

Until we both announced our moves (along with other teams coming and going) there was never a problem scheduling h/a series in alternate years.

If the SLC can do it, the SBC should be able to figure it out.

We do. We played Western Illinois in 30 degree weather this year to open the season. Part of the reason ASU's coaches support the current format is that we really don't like opening at home because its still low to mid 30's here first couple weeks of the year. That means we are sacrificing 3 home games because of weather, and want to have 15 guaranteed league games to make it up.

Our trips to places 2 and 3 times in a row have nothing to do with conference shuffling, just how the coaches wanted the schedule to work because of travel.

As for scheduling, Don't expect anything to be done about it next year. I cant imagine our coaches changing the schedule format for one year, only to go back to 30 games the next year when we move to a 12 team league.

(04-24-2013 08:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 07:37 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 07:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 07:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 04:00 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Agreed, but to continue to complain about it when the coaches agreed to it is also pointless.

If that is the argument, then we should never have a college football playoff because someone voted for the BCS.

(04-24-2013 04:26 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  If it was so easy to fix they wouldn't have done it in the first place. Trying to find non-conference games in the middle of the conference play is not an easy thing to do.

Dude, teams play non-conference throughout the whole season. We played Sam Houston yesterday and Little Rock today. If it is that big of a deal, then start the conference season one week later and have a non-conference series or tourney instead. The WAC can do it with 10 teams, so can the SBC.

He is talking about weekend nonconference. Those games are much harder to find...

Go after northern teams early. They'll travel because it's still too cold (or frozen) playing at home.

FWIW - we are playing UTA away for the 3rd yr in a row due to conference shufflings. It's a pain (because we never seem to beat them at their place) but I'm not complaining.

Until we both announced our moves (along with other teams coming and going) there was never a problem scheduling h/a series in alternate years.

If the SLC can do it, the SBC should be able to figure it out.

We do. We played Western Illinois in 30 degree weather this year to open the season. Part of the reason ASU's coaches support the current format is that we really don't like opening at home because its still low to mid 30's here first couple weeks of the year. That means we are sacrificing 3 home games because of weather, and want to have 15 guaranteed league games to make it up.

Our trips to places 2 and 3 times in a row have nothing to do with conference shuffling, just how the coaches wanted the schedule to work because of travel.

As for scheduling, Don't expect anything to be done about it next year. I cant imagine our coaches changing the schedule format for one year, only to go back to 30 games the next year when we move to a 12 team league.

So we'd fill in UNT's schedule? Oh, wait.....................

(04-24-2013 07:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 07:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 04:00 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Agreed, but to continue to complain about it when the coaches agreed to it is also pointless.

If that is the argument, then we should never have a college football playoff because someone voted for the BCS.

(04-24-2013 04:26 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  If it was so easy to fix they wouldn't have done it in the first place. Trying to find non-conference games in the middle of the conference play is not an easy thing to do.

Dude, teams play non-conference throughout the whole season. We played Sam Houston yesterday and Little Rock today. If it is that big of a deal, then start the conference season one week later and have a non-conference series or tourney instead. The WAC can do it with 10 teams, so can the SBC.

He is talking about weekend nonconference. Those games are much harder to find...

So can you explain how UTA, Tx St and other ten-team conferences do it? Heck, how did DBU do it as an indy? The WAC, A-Sun, Big West, Colonial and SWAC have ten teams that play a round robin. Another dozen+ conferences have less than ten. Scheduling one more weekend non-conference series is not hard.

Baseball is known for its ability to do a true round at all levels. Playing an extra series ruins that. Do they do it in softball?

(04-24-2013 05:02 PM)CajunJuice Wrote:  Pool play is ridiculous. If you lose 1 game, your season is threatened to end! You could go 3-1 in pool play and not advance to the Championship game because of tie-breakers. After a long season of hopefully having a nice record to prepare for the NCAA Tourny, you don't even get the chance to prove yourself after 1 loss???? That's complete bull.

Double elimination allows the best team to make it to the Championship in most cases... instead of 1 loss to another team that also went 3-1 determining your season and ending it right there.

It's the same reason we play a 3-game series against each team during the regular season, because 1 game in baseball is bogus to determine anything. Why in the hell do you think they use Double Elim format for NCAA Regionals and the CWS??? Because it allows for the real best team to emerge victorious. Not a fluky 1 game situation.

I'm sorry but you or anyone will NEVER convince me that pool play is better than double elimination. I played baseball my whole life and pool play just goes against everything that is right in baseball.

Double elimination doesn't allow the best team to make it; pool play guarantees that more, especially with tie breakers going to the higher seeds. It's all about pitching, DE allows for more flukes as you get deeper into pitching staffs.

(04-24-2013 06:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  They reason we play one team twice is to maintain an even balance of home and road games for league teams. If we only played everyone once, Every year some teams would have three fewer league home games than other teams. The coaches didn't like that, and it makes sense especially in a league as competitive as the SBC, so they made the switch. As many have said, the coaches decide the baseball schedule, so if you have a problem with it, you should ask your head coach.

When I was in Bowling Green last year, the WKU coach sat a couple rows behind me to watch a game. He was forced to cheer for South Alabama to win a game to keep his team's season alive., I turned and told him that the format was ridiculous and needed changing. His response was "we're changing it back to double elimination next year," Three weeks later, the change was announced. Coaches have almost the entire say in baseball scheduling.

My understanding is the format will be the same next year, with Georgia State playing WKU twice, and UTA playing Texas State twice. It will change in time for App and Ga Southern to join the league.

The original vote this summer was for pool play to stay; a revote occurred later during the meetings and DE passed by one vote. There is a pretty big divide on this matter between the two sides.