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(04-24-2013 08:44 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:39 AM)Bearcat T Wrote:  The HUGE difference is money at least 16 to 30 million a year difference !!!! .....The next large problem is NO regional rivals....how much more do you have to say?

That is the 800 lb gorilla. UC needs that kind of money. The other issue
is future lessened bowl games. TV exposure will be fine.

What else is there to say...it's all about this. Blame Doc.....blame people for being negative.......spend hours writing every pie-in-the-sky scenario that gives a shred a hope (yes..the SEC really does want to "open a market" in Ohio and Mike Slive is right now huddling in Ono's office trying to get us to accept!!!!). Denial, anger, acceptance. Everyone was clamoring for some type of "official word" from UC on the ACC news. Well.....PDoc got Whit to grant an interview. The cold hard facts and really only take away (regarlesss of how PDoc presents it) is that this article confirms from the AD's mouth that the ACC GOR IS a big deal, is signficant related to actual short term conference re-alignment opportunities, and that UC fans should expect to support the team under our current conference affiliation. What PDOC should have asked is how long can UC go spending what it is currently spending re: coaches salaries, recruiting budgets, etc before significant cuts will be required to Athletic operating expenses? 2 years?

Whit's been fantastic. Greg Williams screwed UC big time w/ his ridculous "save the Big East" focus. Whit's a young guy with huge potential, who by all accounts is showing he can be a first rate BCS AD. Why stay here make and make $300K and deal w/ this when he can get a good placement firm in his camp and grab at the next true BCS level AD job that opens it up? He can make $1M+ and his main job concern would be to figure out "where" to spend the $20M-$30M in bowl and TV money he'd be getting every year. I say he's gone w/i 2 years. Acceptance: Memphis, Temple, USF, Cincinnati..........tier 2.
 
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(04-24-2013 09:15 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:58 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  UC has already been competing for recruits on an unlevel playing field for many, many years.

When has UC been on a level field with OSU, UK, MSU, etc? They have always had a lot more money/resources and always will.

All of those Big 10 teams that sucked last year had a lot more money than UC did to acomplish their bad seasons.

UC is at a huge disadvantage. But even while in the Big East, they were at a huge disadvantage.

UC has been at a small disadvantage but not anywhere as big as the disadvantage they will be facing trying to convince recruits to play in the AAC over the ACC, Big10 or SEC.

The AAC is marginally or no better than the MAC in reality. Playing in the AAC, the caliber of the recruits UC gets will drop for football.

Where are all of these recruits going to magically disappear to? I guess with Kentucky's recent success on the recruiting front, there's an argument to be made that the recruits we typically got will go to the bottom feeders in the power conferences. Nonetheless, I'm pretty confident that guys like TT, Prunty, Gran, and Hinshaw will continue to land quality recruits.
 
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(04-24-2013 11:45 AM)mbl95 Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:44 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:39 AM)Bearcat T Wrote:  The HUGE difference is money at least 16 to 30 million a year difference !!!! .....The next large problem is NO regional rivals....how much more do you have to say?

That is the 800 lb gorilla. UC needs that kind of money. The other issue
is future lessened bowl games. TV exposure will be fine.

What else is there to say...it's all about this. Blame Doc.....blame people for being negative.......spend hours writing every pie-in-the-sky scenario that gives a shred a hope (yes..the SEC really does want to "open a market" in Ohio and Mike Slive is right now huddling in Ono's office trying to get us to accept!!!!). Denial, anger, acceptance. Everyone was clamoring for some type of "official word" from UC on the ACC news. Well.....PDoc got Whit to grant an interview. The cold hard facts and really only take away (regarlesss of how PDoc presents it) is that this article confirms from the AD's mouth that the ACC GOR IS a big deal, is signficant related to actual short term conference re-alignment opportunities, and that UC fans should expect to support the team under our current conference affiliation. What PDOC should have asked is how long can UC go spending what it is currently spending re: coaches salaries, recruiting budgets, etc before significant cuts will be required to Athletic operating expenses? 2 years?

Whit's been fantastic. Greg Williams screwed UC big time w/ his ridculous "save the Big East" focus. Whit's a young guy with huge potential, who by all accounts is showing he can be a first rate BCS AD. Why stay here make and make $300K and deal w/ this when he can get a good placement firm in his camp and grab at the next true BCS level AD job that opens it up? He can make $1M+ and his main job concern would be to figure out "where" to spend the $20M-$30M in bowl and TV money he'd be getting every year. I say he's gone w/i 2 years. Acceptance: Memphis, Temple, USF, Cincinnati..........tier 2.

Not true, he was trying to get UC out of dodge as Mick Cronin recently went on the record with this. Just because he chaired the whatever committee and said we are committed, that was not the case.
 
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Some of the doom sayers almost sound like the're looking for an excuse to not support the program anymore, if they ever even did.
 
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(04-24-2013 11:45 AM)mbl95 Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:44 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:39 AM)Bearcat T Wrote:  The HUGE difference is money at least 16 to 30 million a year difference !!!! .....The next large problem is NO regional rivals....how much more do you have to say?

That is the 800 lb gorilla. UC needs that kind of money. The other issue
is future lessened bowl games. TV exposure will be fine.

What else is there to say...it's all about this. Blame Doc.....blame people for being negative.......spend hours writing every pie-in-the-sky scenario that gives a shred a hope (yes..the SEC really does want to "open a market" in Ohio and Mike Slive is right now huddling in Ono's office trying to get us to accept!!!!). Denial, anger, acceptance. Everyone was clamoring for some type of "official word" from UC on the ACC news. Well.....PDoc got Whit to grant an interview. The cold hard facts and really only take away (regarlesss of how PDoc presents it) is that this article confirms from the AD's mouth that the ACC GOR IS a big deal, is signficant related to actual short term conference re-alignment opportunities, and that UC fans should expect to support the team under our current conference affiliation. What PDOC should have asked is how long can UC go spending what it is currently spending re: coaches salaries, recruiting budgets, etc before significant cuts will be required to Athletic operating expenses? 2 years?

Whit's been fantastic. Greg Williams screwed UC big time w/ his ridculous "save the Big East" focus. Whit's a young guy with huge potential, who by all accounts is showing he can be a first rate BCS AD. Why stay here make and make $300K and deal w/ this when he can get a good placement firm in his camp and grab at the next true BCS level AD job that opens it up? He can make $1M+ and his main job concern would be to figure out "where" to spend the $20M-$30M in bowl and TV money he'd be getting every year. I say he's gone w/i 2 years. Acceptance: Memphis, Temple, USF, Cincinnati..........tier 2.

Dr. Williams was doing everything he could to get UC out of the Big East while doing his best to provide a stable backup plan. I can't remember if this came from a Cronin press conference but the idea that Williams didn't do anything just isn't true.

Cincinnati has to plan like there will not be an invite to another league and do everything possible to build their current conference and their overall program. Prepare to make yourself better and when opportunity arrives take advantage of the situation and move on.
 
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(04-24-2013 11:47 AM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:15 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:58 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  UC has already been competing for recruits on an unlevel playing field for many, many years.

When has UC been on a level field with OSU, UK, MSU, etc? They have always had a lot more money/resources and always will.

All of those Big 10 teams that sucked last year had a lot more money than UC did to acomplish their bad seasons.

UC is at a huge disadvantage. But even while in the Big East, they were at a huge disadvantage.

UC has been at a small disadvantage but not anywhere as big as the disadvantage they will be facing trying to convince recruits to play in the AAC over the ACC, Big10 or SEC.

The AAC is marginally or no better than the MAC in reality. Playing in the AAC, the caliber of the recruits UC gets will drop for football.

Where are all of these recruits going to magically disappear to? I guess with Kentucky's recent success on the recruiting front, there's an argument to be made that the recruits we typically got will go to the bottom feeders in the power conferences. Nonetheless, I'm pretty confident that guys like TT, Prunty, Gran, and Hinshaw will continue to land quality recruits.

I think what you will see is that the type of recruits we have been getting for the past 5-6 years will go back to where there were going before we joined the ACC---- they will go to the bottom tier of the B10, ACC and the MAC. It is no coincidence that Purdue, Illinois, Indiana Minnesota et al have been really bad since we have been in the Big East. Yes, those teams were never top shelf schools in their conference, but they were much stronger than where they are presently. Every now and then they would compete for the B10 crown and they would have decent NFL caliber talent-- mostly from Ohio.
 
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(04-24-2013 11:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:47 AM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:15 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:58 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  UC has already been competing for recruits on an unlevel playing field for many, many years.

When has UC been on a level field with OSU, UK, MSU, etc? They have always had a lot more money/resources and always will.

All of those Big 10 teams that sucked last year had a lot more money than UC did to acomplish their bad seasons.

UC is at a huge disadvantage. But even while in the Big East, they were at a huge disadvantage.

UC has been at a small disadvantage but not anywhere as big as the disadvantage they will be facing trying to convince recruits to play in the AAC over the ACC, Big10 or SEC.

The AAC is marginally or no better than the MAC in reality. Playing in the AAC, the caliber of the recruits UC gets will drop for football.

Where are all of these recruits going to magically disappear to? I guess with Kentucky's recent success on the recruiting front, there's an argument to be made that the recruits we typically got will go to the bottom feeders in the power conferences. Nonetheless, I'm pretty confident that guys like TT, Prunty, Gran, and Hinshaw will continue to land quality recruits.

I think what you will see is that the type of recruits we have been getting for the past 5-6 years will go back to where there were going before we joined the ACC---- they will go to the bottom tier of the B10, ACC and the MAC. It is no coincidence that Purdue, Illinois, Indiana Minnesota et al have been really bad since we have been in the Big East. Yes, those teams were never top shelf schools in their conference, but they were much stronger than where they are presently. Every now and then they would compete for the B10 crown and they would have decent NFL caliber talent-- mostly from Ohio.

I know TT talks about recruiting locally, but his guys are targeting Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and some Ohio talent. They are going to compete with SEC schools, and guys who have offers from UCF, USF, etc.
 
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(04-24-2013 11:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:47 AM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:15 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:58 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  UC has already been competing for recruits on an unlevel playing field for many, many years.

When has UC been on a level field with OSU, UK, MSU, etc? They have always had a lot more money/resources and always will.

All of those Big 10 teams that sucked last year had a lot more money than UC did to acomplish their bad seasons.

UC is at a huge disadvantage. But even while in the Big East, they were at a huge disadvantage.

UC has been at a small disadvantage but not anywhere as big as the disadvantage they will be facing trying to convince recruits to play in the AAC over the ACC, Big10 or SEC.

The AAC is marginally or no better than the MAC in reality. Playing in the AAC, the caliber of the recruits UC gets will drop for football.

Where are all of these recruits going to magically disappear to? I guess with Kentucky's recent success on the recruiting front, there's an argument to be made that the recruits we typically got will go to the bottom feeders in the power conferences. Nonetheless, I'm pretty confident that guys like TT, Prunty, Gran, and Hinshaw will continue to land quality recruits.

I think what you will see is that the type of recruits we have been getting for the past 5-6 years will go back to where there were going before we joined the ACC---- they will go to the bottom tier of the B10, ACC and the MAC. It is no coincidence that Purdue, Illinois, Indiana Minnesota et al have been really bad since we have been in the Big East. Yes, those teams were never top shelf schools in their conference, but they were much stronger than where they are presently. Every now and then they would compete for the B10 crown and they would have decent NFL caliber talent-- mostly from Ohio.

I just don't see it. We still have a very strong chance of getting that access bowl spot, which is a better sniff at the playoff than the likes of Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, or Indiana will ever have.
 
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(04-24-2013 11:53 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Some of the doom sayers almost sound like the're looking for an excuse to not support the program anymore, if they ever even did.

Enough of this b.s. Who are you to question the level of support out of those that are pissed about the current situation? Sorry, but not everyone is ready to s*** sunshine and rainbows all over town after this latest development.
 
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^^ What I noticed about last year's class was the recruits had a strong C-USA/Sun Belt flavor. Not to say they were not quality talent (based on rankings and what I have seen on video they would be top shelf talent in those leagues) but many of those guys had offers from schools like S. Alabama, Troy, FIU, MTSU and like you said USF and UCF. I suspect we'll see more of this.

We'll also have to take a recruit or two who is a little more marginal in terms of academically qualifying and has other baggage the P5 schools would steer away from. We have recruited like this to some degree, especially in the early years of the Big East. We have been spoiled by the quality of the student-athlete (both on and off the field) from the past couple years.
 
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With all due respect to some who have commented here, comparisons of the AAC to the MAC are absurd. The MAC will remain forever inferior on objective measures of budgets, fan interest, and national exposure. If folks don't show up for football against USF, Houston and UCF (all ranked at some point the past couple of years) then they're really not UC fans. This season's AAC will feature the reigning Sugar Bowl champ and both the men's and women's national basketball champs. As UC fans, is this the conference home we want long term? No. But this new league is a far cry from the "new" CUSA, the MAC or the Sun Belt. Schools in this league--SMU, Houston and Memphis for instance, have substantial infrastructure for sports and are invested in competing at a high level. Can't say the same for Kent State, Akron and Eastern Michigan.
 
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(04-24-2013 12:12 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:53 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Some of the doom sayers almost sound like the're looking for an excuse to not support the program anymore, if they ever even did.

Enough of this b.s. Who are you to question the level of support out of those that are pissed about the current situation? Sorry, but not everyone is ready to s*** sunshine and rainbows all over town after this latest development.

I stand by my statement. If it makes you feel better to throw up your hands and wallow in misery everytime there's a setback that's certainly your perogative.
 
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(04-24-2013 12:48 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 12:12 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:53 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Some of the doom sayers almost sound like the're looking for an excuse to not support the program anymore, if they ever even did.

Enough of this b.s. Who are you to question the level of support out of those that are pissed about the current situation? Sorry, but not everyone is ready to s*** sunshine and rainbows all over town after this latest development.

I stand by my statement. If it makes you feel better to throw up your hands and wallow in misery everytime there's a setback that's certainly your perogative.

I'm fine with the fact that you choose not to voice your displeasure, but again, who are you to question whether someone is a fan simply because they aren't happy with the current situation?
 
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(04-24-2013 09:25 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  [quote='mptnstr@44' pid='9263865' dateline='1366811621']
I also highly doubt UofL continues the H & H with UC. It'll be play here or don't play if at all. UofL won't need the game. We will become to them like Miami Oxford has been to UC (while UC was in the BCS). In 3-5 years UC won't be able to compete with UofL on the field anyway given the disparity in $ and conference affiliation for recruits.

I disagree with you for the following reasons:

#1. Jurich has already expressed an interest in continuing the football series with UC once UofL moves to the ACC. Granted, he didn't say it would be an annual game or that it would be a home-and-home series, but the fact remains that he did mentioned UC alongside UK as a game he wants to see played.

#2. Look at some of the teams UofL has signed home-and-home agreements with since 2006. Memphis (4 games though 2013-2016 game were cancelled by conference realignment), FIU (4 games), Marshall (2 games), Utah (2 games), Arkansas St (2 games), Oregon St (2 games), UNC (2 games), Southern Miss (2 games). If UofL is willing to sign home-and-home series with schools like FIU, Ark St, Southern Miss, and Marshall, I don't see why they wouldn't be willing to sign UC to a home-and-home agreement as well.

#3. UofL has had a lot of problems signing BCS/upper level teams to home-and-home series. The fact that UC would want to sign a home-and-home agreement and has been a good-to-great program over the last half decade is a positive for the series continuing.

#4. Does UofL need the game? No. But playing UC does provide a number of perks (e.g. good opponent for SOS considerations, fertile recruiting area, easy drive for fans who want to travel, provides exposure in Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky market, etc).

#5. UofL isn't planning to play FCS teams past 2013 (their last scheduled FCS commitment is EKU this coming season). With 8 ACC conference games, UofL will have 4 OOC slots (3 in years when the Cards play Notre Dame) to fill. The UK game will claim one of those slots but that still leaves plenty of room for an annual or semi-regular series with UC.


I think there is a pretty good chance for the series to continue in both football and basketball (Pitino likes Mick a lot).
 
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(04-24-2013 01:32 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
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(04-24-2013 12:12 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:53 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Some of the doom sayers almost sound like the're looking for an excuse to not support the program anymore, if they ever even did.

Enough of this b.s. Who are you to question the level of support out of those that are pissed about the current situation? Sorry, but not everyone is ready to s*** sunshine and rainbows all over town after this latest development.

I stand by my statement. If it makes you feel better to throw up your hands and wallow in misery everytime there's a setback that's certainly your perogative.

I'm fine with the fact that you choose not to voice your displeasure, but again, who are you to question whether someone is a fan simply because they aren't happy with the current situation?

With all due respect, this is an open forum where people question, analyze and challenge other's statements, motivations and opinions all the time.
Don't want to beat this to death, but frankly, I don't see what you find so objectionable about me saying that if some people seem to want to give up so easily and walk away, I wonder about their level of commitment in the first place. I just don't think that's a radical concept.
 
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(04-24-2013 02:26 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 01:32 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 12:48 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 12:12 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:53 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Some of the doom sayers almost sound like the're looking for an excuse to not support the program anymore, if they ever even did.

Enough of this b.s. Who are you to question the level of support out of those that are pissed about the current situation? Sorry, but not everyone is ready to s*** sunshine and rainbows all over town after this latest development.

I stand by my statement. If it makes you feel better to throw up your hands and wallow in misery everytime there's a setback that's certainly your perogative.

I'm fine with the fact that you choose not to voice your displeasure, but again, who are you to question whether someone is a fan simply because they aren't happy with the current situation?

With all due respect, this is an open forum where people question, analyze and challenge other's statements, motivations and opinions all the time.
Don't want to beat this to death, but frankly, I don't see what you find so objectionable about me saying that if some people seem to want to give up so easily and walk away, I wonder about their level of commitment in the first place. I just don't think that's a radical concept.

Well, quite frankly, it seems counter-productive to lash out at other fans simply because you disagree with their assessment of the current situation, or their choice to be vocal about it. Moreover, given the fact that UC has a lack of enthusiastic and supportive fans, I cannot comprehend why you would want to belittle someone's level of support simply because their outlook is grim. If you look back at the original post I took issue with, no one said they were walking away, that's just what you assumed. I have no problem with a challenge to a statement or opinion, but let's stick to the actual statement or opinion, not things we read into posts.
 
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From where I sit unless the B12 or B10 expands we are hosed....and the odds of either of those expanding is very low. Our best option (ACC) just shut the door.
 
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Quote:Well, quite frankly, it seems counter-productive to lash out at other fans simply because you disagree with their assessment of the current situation, or their choice to be vocal about it. Moreover, given the fact that UC has a lack of enthusiastic and supportive fans, I cannot comprehend why you would want to belittle someone's level of support simply because their outlook is grim.

I don't know - it has always worked for me.

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Quote:Well, quite frankly, it seems counter-productive to lash out at other fans simply because you disagree with their assessment of the current situation, or their choice to be vocal about it. Moreover, given the fact that UC has a lack of enthusiastic and supportive fans, I cannot comprehend why you would want to belittle someone's level of support simply because their outlook is grim.

I don't know - it has always worked for me.

Don't knock it until you have tried it. 03-lmfao

Hmmm.....fair point. 03-lmfao
 
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(04-24-2013 09:25 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:53 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:39 AM)Bearcat T Wrote:  The HUGE difference is money at least 16 to 30 million a year difference !!!! .....The next large problem is NO regional rivals....how much more do you have to say?

Exactly and the increased revenue lasts for a very limited amount of time and then UC will be competing against UofL, UK, tOSU, MSU etc. for recruits on a very unlevel playing field $ wise.

I also highly doubt UofL continues the H & H with UC. It'll be play here or don't play if at all. UofL won't need the game. We will become to them like Miami Oxford has been to UC (while UC was in the BCS). In 3-5 years UC won't be able to compete with UofL on the field anyway given the disparity in $ and conference affiliation for recruits.

UC has to hope a lifeline to a Power5 opens up in the next year or 2 or the Cats will be relegated to second tier status — fans will find other places to spend their sport dollars (you can blame the fans but in a town where there is competition for sports dollars unlike most college towns, fans have options and will exercise them) and poof the fun we've had for the past 5 years will be a memory.

In hindsight, I'm very glad I went to the Orange and Sugar Bowls. I didn't really have the $ to spend on the trips but wondered if the opportunity was a once (or twice) in a lifetime so I'm now very glad I went.

Ill be there for the Bearcats no matter what but the developments of this week were really really bad for the Bearcats.

I wonder if the Uconn and USF boards contain as much doom and gloom as UC ones contain? Also, does Boise feel they can no longer compete, since they are still stuck in a minor conf?

UC was dealt another challenge, not a blow. The 2 areas I see lack of top 5 conf affiliation hurting is TV revenue and bowl access. Our status has not dramatically changed from the BE - we were facing an up hill battle with TV revenue, as compared to other top conf, and bowl access was mediocre. Despite these items and the fact our dept has debt issues/lacks major alumni and local support, UC found a way to win. Winning at a major clip.

UofL has openly expressed the desire to continue the series in some capacity. I have not heard comments from their coaches or AD, which would indicate feelings of superiority. I could understand those feelings however, not because they are in the ACC, but because they won a BCS Bowl and NC in BBall recently.

UC has and always will have to compete with regional schools, ie osu, uk, uofl and a host of others in recruiting. This is a constant and will not change no matter what conf we end up participating within.

I hate to make the comment - UC does not deserve nor should expect to join a power conf without a high level of support from its alums and the local area. The economic benefits of being in a major conf not only help the institution, but the local economy as well.

As a side note - the best way to combat PD, Enquirer, Cunningham, wlw and the rest of the Cincy Circus is to succeed in all endeavors the University enters. Whether that be athletics, research, individual alumni accomplishments, or academics.

The problem is that UC has so many of what Butch Jones has described as conditional fans. The attitude of we'll wait to buy tickets, join UCats, donate for new facilities, etc... until we see how things turn out is what has helped get us in this fix in the first place. No major conference is going to consider us if we don't crank up the support. Boise State recruits well despite being located in a backwater with a crappy conference and terrible academics. TCU had to wonder in the wilderness for a few years but stuck to their guns and recruited well, retained their coach and invested in facilities and look how that worked out. UC has advantages over both in many ways. The biggest obstacle seems to be this pernicous Cincinnati mindset of think small, won't work, can't do it, can't afford it. Then everyone scratches their heads and wonders why things don't work out.

TCU was 4-8 last season. Just sayin'.
 
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