(04-26-2013 11:16 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Cincy ahead of Kansas? I think OSU might fuss about that, although Cincy should be in the Big XII or ACC.

That school up north and Wisconsin would kick up a big fuss about Cincy's academics, the Buckeyes would kick up a big fuss about a second Ohio school, everyone else would kick up a minor about Cincy not bringing very much extra money with the bulk of its footprint already inside the Big Ten footprint, nobody would talk in favor of Cincy, and that would be that for Cincy to the Big Ten.

(04-27-2013 09:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I'm still baffled why MSU is going into the big 10 east division.

1. Western division schools want to see that school up north and the Buckeyes in their home stadiums as often as possible to sell their season ticket books, MSU in the East means no locked MSU game with that school up north. As far as Purdue/Indiana, they don't mind Indiana visiting less often.

2. Its possible that the Spartans wanted the eastern exposure for recruiting.

3. Its not just the Spartans going East, its Purdue going West, and Purdue could have been calling in chips to go West. Playing Illinois/NW every year and playing in the state of Illinois every year is attractive to them.

4. If the Buckeyes are stuck with trying to sell tickets for one or two of Maryland, Rutgers and Indiana every year, between Purdue and MSU, they'd rather see the Spartans in their ticket book every second year.

(04-27-2013 10:46 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The trade i like is NC state and Wake to the sec with the acc picking up uconn and cincy. Those aren't really trades but it would require maybe a vote to release nc state and wake from the GOR with the acc getting a pledge the sec is done at 16. As for texas to the acc with an ND type deal, it could work but its seems unlikely. Maybe if a deal with the pac 10 taking texas tech happened, texas could be free to join the acc. Yet, it seems odd and odd things usually mean bad business.

UConn will not be invited to join the ACC.

(04-27-2013 11:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 10:46 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The trade i like is NC state and Wake to the sec with the acc picking up uconn and cincy. Those aren't really trades but it would require maybe a vote to release nc state and wake from the GOR with the acc getting a pledge the sec is done at 16. As for texas to the acc with an ND type deal, it could work but its seems unlikely. Maybe if a deal with the pac 10 taking texas tech happened, texas could be free to join the acc. Yet, it seems odd and odd things usually mean bad business.

UConn will not be invited to join the ACC.

I've had that feeling myself for sometime, but I've never been able to figure out why. I don't suppose you'd care to elaborate?

(04-27-2013 11:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 10:46 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The trade i like is NC state and Wake to the sec with the acc picking up uconn and cincy. Those aren't really trades but it would require maybe a vote to release nc state and wake from the GOR with the acc getting a pledge the sec is done at 16. As for texas to the acc with an ND type deal, it could work but its seems unlikely. Maybe if a deal with the pac 10 taking texas tech happened, texas could be free to join the acc. Yet, it seems odd and odd things usually mean bad business.

UConn will not be invited to join the ACC.

I would like to have somebody tell me why UCONN will never get an invite. Is there something many of us are missing here? I do not follow them as a school, but there seems to be some deep-seated ill will towards UCONN.

(04-27-2013 11:31 AM)MSki Wrote:  I've had that feeling myself for sometime, but I've never been able to figure out why. I don't suppose you'd care to elaborate?

Could be similar to Cincy and the Big Ten ~ BC don't want another New England team in the ACC, UNC/UVA/GTech/Duke turn up their noses at UConn's academics, FSU/Clemson entirely unexcited by UConn football. If you need a supermajority to join, that's more than enough opposition.

After all, last time, FSU pushed hard for Louisville over UConn, because of the greater appeal of the UL football and greater confidence in their ability to mount a watchable football program long term. The same sentiment would seem them pushing for Cincy over UConn if it came up again.

reason #3
New England does not have enough college football fans to support 2 college teams and the ACC already has BC.

reason #2
Expansion rule of thumb: Never add a school where the football stadium capacity is less than the average attendance of your conference.

reason #1
Lawsuit.

Could be similar to Cincy and the Big Ten ~ BC don't want another New England team in the ACC, UNC/UVA/GTech/Duke turn up their noses at UConn's academics, FSU/Clemson entirely unexcited by UConn football. If you need a supermajority to join, that's more than enough opposition.

After all, last time, FSU pushed hard for Louisville over UConn, because of the greater appeal of the UL football and greater confidence in their ability to mount a watchable football program long term. The same sentiment would seem them pushing for Cincy over UConn if it came up again.
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Most of that had occurred to me, but BC and UConn don't overlap markets (might make good travel partners too), and they certainly didn't turn their respective noses up at Louisville academics. I can buy the football argument, but ACC football?

I just think there is something else we are all missing.

New England does not have enough college footaball fans to support 2 college teams and the ACC already has BC."

All I have heard is how valuable the Northeast TV markets are. Now this?

(04-27-2013 11:51 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  New England does not have enough college footaball fans to support 2 college teams and the ACC already has BC."

All I have heard is how valuable the Northeast TV markets are. Now this?

They are not more valuable per person, they just gots more people. But not all of them live in Central CT ... Hartford, CT is 47th in the 2010 list of US urbanized areas.

If UConn FB was followed strongly in NYC or Boston, that would be an entirely different thing, but according to surveys I've seen, NYC media market FB is Notre Dame and Rutgers in the double digits (northern NJ is part of the NYC media market) and then in the single digits some Big Ten schools with large alumni bases in NYC.

(04-27-2013 11:48 AM)MSki Wrote:  

Quote: Could be similar to Cincy and the Big Ten ~ BC don't want another New England team in the ACC, UNC/UVA/GTech/Duke turn up their noses at UConn's academics, FSU/Clemson entirely unexcited by UConn football. If you need a supermajority to join, that's more than enough opposition.

Most of that had occurred to me, but BC and UConn don't overlap markets (might make good travel partners too), and they certainly didn't turn their respective noses up at Louisville academics. I can buy the football argument, but ACC football?

I'm sure they did, but UVA/UNC/GTech and Duke turning up their noses at both UConn and UL academics leaves them tied on that front with BC pushing against UConn and FSU/Clemson pushing for UL. UConn may have felt they were the academically superior of the three, but they aren't up in the ranks of the four top flight academic institutions in the ACC.

(04-27-2013 10:46 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The trade i like is NC state and Wake to the sec with the acc picking up uconn and cincy. Those aren't really trades but it would require maybe a vote to release nc state and wake from the GOR with the acc getting a pledge the sec is done at 16. As for texas to the acc with an ND type deal, it could work but its seems unlikely. Maybe if a deal with the pac 10 taking texas tech happened, texas could be free to join the acc. Yet, it seems odd and odd things usually mean bad business.

Why in God's name would the SEC agree to that? NC State is a slim maybe, but no one wants Wake

(04-27-2013 04:54 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 10:46 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The trade i like is NC state and Wake to the sec with the acc picking up uconn and cincy. ...

Why in God's name would the SEC agree to that? NC State is a slim maybe, but no one wants Wake

I'd go as far as guess that bluesox liking the trade has little to do with whether the SEC would agree to it ~ which they surely would not, even if they were willing to consider "trading" schools, and even if you got them as drunk as a skunk. Wake Forest to the SEC is quite mad ~ but then, you'll not find sober, sensible folk speculating on athletic conferences trading schools like players at fantasy baseball trading baseball players.

(04-27-2013 06:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 04:54 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 10:46 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The trade i like is NC state and Wake to the sec with the acc picking up uconn and cincy. ...

Why in God's name would the SEC agree to that? NC State is a slim maybe, but no one wants Wake

I'd go as far as guess that bluesox liking the trade has little to do with whether the SEC would agree to it ~ which they surely would not, even if they were willing to consider "trading" schools, and even if you got them as drunk as a skunk. Wake Forest to the SEC is quite mad ~ but then, you'll not find sober, sensible folk speculating on athletic conferences trading schools like players at fantasy baseball trading baseball players.

That's been my point for over two years.

(04-27-2013 11:29 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 06:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 04:54 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 10:46 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The trade i like is NC state and Wake to the sec with the acc picking up uconn and cincy. ...

Why in God's name would the SEC agree to that? NC State is a slim maybe, but no one wants Wake

I'd go as far as guess that bluesox liking the trade has little to do with whether the SEC would agree to it ~ which they surely would not, even if they were willing to consider "trading" schools, and even if you got them as drunk as a skunk. Wake Forest to the SEC is quite mad ~ but then, you'll not find sober, sensible folk speculating on athletic conferences trading schools like players at fantasy baseball trading baseball players.

That's been my point for over two years.

Yep! you have been very consistent in that regard.

(04-28-2013 06:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 11:29 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 06:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 04:54 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 10:46 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The trade i like is NC state and Wake to the sec with the acc picking up uconn and cincy. ...

Why in God's name would the SEC agree to that? NC State is a slim maybe, but no one wants Wake

I'd go as far as guess that bluesox liking the trade has little to do with whether the SEC would agree to it ~ which they surely would not, even if they were willing to consider "trading" schools, and even if you got them as drunk as a skunk. Wake Forest to the SEC is quite mad ~ but then, you'll not find sober, sensible folk speculating on athletic conferences trading schools like players at fantasy baseball trading baseball players.

That's been my point for over two years.

Yep! you have been very consistent in that regard.

If it were only due to AAU status then the obvious choice IMO would be Buffalo and UConn giving the the BigTen a larger grip onto the New York market with Rutgers in New Jersey across the hudson and Buffalo in western New York not to mention bringing in possibly a Canadian presence into the fold and UConn trumping the New York market as well as placing footings into the New England markets.

So wouldn't one think that Buffalo and UConn would compliment a greedy conference like the BigTen with its potential of added TV sets not only in New York, but possibly in Canada as well as the New England mrkets????

I know the will be laughed at, but they could work amongst the conference more so than what one could argue that they wouldn't. Who else is the BigTen bringing in for there is no one who is even willing to jump unlike a desperate team in financial despair like Maryland. So who are you bringing in to move from 14 teams to 16 or even 18 or 20???? No one I assure you unless its these two I have mentioned, and I doubt that happens.

Big 10 makes it official, MSU in the east and 9 game schedule in 2016. I got think MSU will be dropping alabama or ND from the 2016 and 2017 schedule unless they are crazy, which they might be for going to the east. Maybe all 3 can work out a deal with MSU-Alabama being played in 2016 at neutral site with ND playing Alabama in 2017 at a neutral site.

(04-28-2013 12:37 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  If it were only due to AAU status then the obvious choice IMO would be Buffalo and UConn giving the the BigTen a larger grip onto the New York market with Rutgers in New Jersey across the hudson and Buffalo in western New York not to mention bringing in possibly a Canadian presence into the fold and UConn trumping the New York market as well as placing footings into the New England markets.

So wouldn't one think that Buffalo and UConn would compliment a greedy conference like the BigTen with its potential of added TV sets not only in New York, but possibly in Canada as well as the New England mrkets????

I know the will be laughed at, but they could work amongst the conference more so than what one could argue that they wouldn't. Who else is the BigTen bringing in for there is no one who is even willing to jump unlike a desperate team in financial despair like Maryland. So who are you bringing in to move from 14 teams to 16 or even 18 or 20???? No one I assure you unless its these two I have mentioned, and I doubt that happens.

I'm with you except for a couple of details.

1. Buffalo is forever destined to live in the shadow of Syracuse, so they're not going to bring much bang for the buck.

2. UConn's market reach stops dead at the Massachusetts border, so there really isn't any access to New England markets other than Connecticut itself; which is still actually pretty good. If you look up Storrs, CT and Amherst, MA on a map you'll see why.

Other than that, yeah UConn is the last jewel in the North East (UMass is never going to be a big player) and grouping them with Rutgers and Maryland would be a masterstroke for the B1G's expansion eastward. Then again, the same could be said for the ACC picking them up and that doesn't look to be happening... well, ever. They must have stepped on quite a few toes over the years to make themselves this radioactive to the power conferences, because they seem to have pretty much everything else going for them.

(04-28-2013 12:37 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  If it were only due to AAU status then the obvious choice IMO would be Buffalo and UConn giving the the BigTen a larger grip onto the New York market with Rutgers in New Jersey across the hudson and Buffalo in western New York not to mention bringing in possibly a Canadian presence into the fold and UConn trumping the New York market as well as placing footings into the New England markets.

I can't make out what you mean by AAU status, since Buffalo is an AAU school and UConn is not.

(04-28-2013 04:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-28-2013 12:37 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  If it were only due to AAU status then the obvious choice IMO would be Buffalo and UConn giving the the BigTen a larger grip onto the New York market with Rutgers in New Jersey across the hudson and Buffalo in western New York not to mention bringing in possibly a Canadian presence into the fold and UConn trumping the New York market as well as placing footings into the New England markets.

I can't make out what you mean by AAU status, since Buffalo is an AAU school and UConn is not.

UConn if I am not mistaken are on the cusps of joining the ranks, but I could be wrong, but pretty sure I have read on this board as well as others they are very close in doing so.

(04-28-2013 05:04 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  UConn if I am not mistaken are on the cusps of joining the ranks, but I could be wrong, but pretty sure I have read on this board as well as others they are very close in doing so.

If you've only read it on discussion forums, its probably someone who came across some "strategic plan" to move up to the AAU and thought that it meant that achieving the goal was in some sense likely to actually happen.

For instance, I read on a realignment discussion forum that BC was in the AAU ... but that was just someone confused by the fact that BU had recently joined the AAU.

When the AAU announces that UConn is joining, that's the time to believe that UConn is joining.